Round 6 non MFC games

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

 

Bernie Vince had 40 touches a couple of seasons ago.

Just had a look. PB of 42... exactly 15 games ago. Queens Birthday last year. Man. Where's my memory gone.

[Nasher 33,166]

3 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Gaz 21 40 possession games...

Here's a stat for the stat hunters. Who was the last Demon to grab 40 touches? Another one... who will be next? I reckon Clarry does it at some point this year.

Bernie Vince - 42 - 2016 vs Collingwood
Bernie Vince - 41 - 2014 vs North Melbourne
Travis Johnstone - 42 - 2007 vs Carlton
Brett Lovett - 40 - 1993 vs Adelaide
Greg Healy - 40 - 1987 vs St Kilda
Brian Wilson - 40 - 1982 vs St Kilda
Greg Wells - 48 - 1980 vs Fitzroy
Glenn Elliott - 40 - 1979 vs North Melbourne
Greg Wells - 45 - 1973 vs Geelong

That's all of them.

Only a matter of time before Oliver joins them.

[What 18,810]

3 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Just had a look. PB of 42... exactly 15 games ago. Queens Birthday last year. Man. Where's my memory gone.

Pretty sure he did it against North too.

Before him I reckon you'd have to go back a long way.

 

Edit - Nashers post says 2007.  The Kreuzer Cup.  Since we dont count that abomination of a game, its really 1993.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Petraccattack

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

So Well and Vince have had 2 for the demons and THAT'S IT.

Wow. That's startling. In 24 years... only 3 times.

And yeah, Clarry very soon. Maybe even others. Not sure Tracca would just as a forward. ANB is an absolute ball magnet. That's about it.

[demoniac 1,243]

Just downloading a pirated copy of the new release We Need To Talk About Jaeger.

[Nasher 33,166]

How about Brett Lovett's effort - 40 disposals including 27 kicks, in a win, for zero Brownlow votes.

Greg Healy got his in a game where we were soundly beaten.

[Akum 2,660]

7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Bernie Vince - 42 - 2016 vs Collingwood
Bernie Vince - 41 - 2014 vs North Melbourne
Travis Johnstone - 42 - 2007 vs Carlton
Brett Lovett - 40 - 1993 vs Adelaide
Greg Healy - 40 - 1987 vs St Kilda
Brian Wilson - 40 - 1982 vs St Kilda
Greg Wells - 48 - 1980 vs Fitzroy
Glenn Elliott - 40 - 1979 vs North Melbourne
Greg Wells - 45 - 1973 vs Geelong

That's all of them.

Only a matter of time before Oliver joins them.

Glenn Elliott - another one of my favourite players.

I liked him at the Saints and loved it when he crossed over. Used to work with my mum, she couldn't speak highly enough of him as a person.

[Nasher 33,166]

5 minutes ago, Akum said:

Glenn Elliott - another one of my favourite players.

I liked him at the Saints and loved it when he crossed over. Used to work with my mum, she couldn't speak highly enough of him as a person.

My memories are just as fond - I can recall the evening I looked up all 40 possession in a match winners for Melbourne, and discovered we had a player I'd previously never heard of named Glenn Elliott in the 70s who did it once, about 4 years before I was born.

Am I making you feel old yet? :-)

[Macca 16,173]

16 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Bernie Vince - 42 - 2016 vs Collingwood
Bernie Vince - 41 - 2014 vs North Melbourne
Travis Johnstone - 42 - 2007 vs Carlton
Brett Lovett - 40 - 1993 vs Adelaide
Greg Healy - 40 - 1987 vs St Kilda
Brian Wilson - 40 - 1982 vs St Kilda
Greg Wells - 48 - 1980 vs Fitzroy
Glenn Elliott - 40 - 1979 vs North Melbourne
Greg Wells - 45 - 1973 vs Geelong

That's all of them.

Only a matter of time before Oliver joins them.

That was Wells' last game for the club before he was sold off to Carlton (200k was the rumoured figure)

Matched by Fred Fanning's last game - 18 goals.

That's what you call going out on a great note!

 

Edit:  Wells also took 16 marks out of a team total of 60 marks in that 48 possession game .... an enormous number for a centreman back in those days.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Macca

[Nasher 33,166]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

That was Wells' last game for the club before he was sold off to Carlton (200k was the rumoured figure)

I don't know the history, but that sounds like the sort of thing a supporter might get upset about.

[Akum 2,660]

7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

My memories are just as fond - I can recall the evening I looked up all 40 possession in a match winners for Melbourne, and discovered we had a player named Glenn Elliott in the 70s who did it once, about 4 years before I was born.

You could say that Elliott was the first effective tagger, although he was much more than a tagger (pure taggers don't get 40 possessions). My Grade 6 teacher was Bob Murray, the St Kilda full-back in the 60s & 70s (remember Mike Williamson's "Hit the boundary son!" in the '66 GF?), and we used to go & watch him play, so I had a bit of a soft spot for the Saints at the time, and knew their players.

He played in the centre, against some of the absolute stars of the game, and would just play them one-on-one, and absolutely smash them. He'd hold them to a handful of possessions & get 25-30 himself. He was slow, an average kick, not a great mark, but just got the job done week after week.

I think he got a knee injury just before he came across to us, and only played a season or so before injuring his knee again. 

[Akum 2,660]

16 minutes ago, Macca said:

That was Wells' last game for the club before he was sold off to Carlton (200k was the rumoured figure)

Matched by Fred Fanning's last game - 18 goals.

That's what you call going out on a great note!

 

Edit:  Wells also took 16 marks out of a team total of 60 marks in that 48 possession game .... an enormous number for a centreman back in those days.

Was it Alves, Wells & Flower across the centre? Surely one of the best centrelines of all time.

[demoniac 1,243]

10 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I don't know the history, but that sounds like the sort of thing a supporter might get upset about.

I was about 10 but the memory still rankles. If my memory is correct a few years earlier we thought Stan Alves was finished as a player, then he went to North and won a flag in 77.

 

[Macca 16,173]

Just now, Nasher said:

I don't know the history, but that sounds like the sort of thing a supporter might be upset about.

As I recall we were completely gobsmacked by the move ... there was no lead-up talk, nothing.  The first time we heard about it was when the deal had been done.  But it's a long time ago and the memory can sometimes play tricks.

There were rumours that we needed the money to pay the other players but I've since read that the amount of money was significantly less than 200k.  Who knows?  Vinnie Cattoggio & Michael Young came as part of the deal (but they came to the club in the following season)

Wells was a favourite of mine and still is - he was a dynamic centreman who could take a strong overhead mark, could kick the ball well and racked up the possessions.  8 or 9 top five finishes in the B & F and a 2nd place in the Brownlow.  He could really play.

[Macca 16,173]

4 minutes ago, Akum said:

Was it Alves, Wells & Flower across the centre? Surely one of the best centrelines of all time.

Their best year together was 1976 when we just missed the finals ... Alves went to North at the end of '76 and then another top player in Hardeman left for SA at the end of 1977.  That period between '77 & '81 tested the supporters no end.

But the aforementioned players all gave great service to the club (along with Robbie) and they were about our only really good players back then (Fowler was also terrific and Biffin always gave his all)

That's how I remember it Akum.

[Akum 2,660]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Their best year together was 1976 when we just missed the finals ... Alves went to North at the end of '76 and then another top player in Hardeman left for SA at the end of 1977.  That period between '77 & '81 tested the supporters no end.

But the aforementioned players all gave great service to the club (along with Robbie) and they were about our only really good players back then (Fowler was also terrific and Biffin always gave his all)

That's how I remember it Akum.

Yeah, sounds about right to me. My best mate's favourite player was Alves, was shattered when he left, then it was Wells, was shattered again. A very tough period.

Gary Hardeman was another absolute A-grader, I can't remember him ever being beaten at CHB, although he played on some great CHFs. He was one of the few who could compete on equal terms with the likes of Royce Hart.

[Macca 16,173]

Just now, Akum said:

Yeah, sounds about right to me. My best mate's favourite player was Alves, was shattered when he left, then it was Wells, was shattered again. A very tough period.

Gary Hardeman was another absolute A-grader, I can't remember him ever being beaten at CHB, although he played on some great CHFs. He was one of the few who could compete on equal terms with the likes of Royce Hart.

Hardeman was a great player ... we never played finals back then so therefore we were rarely on the 'replay' ... a lot of neutral supporters didn't get to see how good he was.  Back in the day I had a lot of Richmond mates and they all admired Hardeman.  As you said, he played consistently well on Royce Hart (who was a star)

Backmen often go unnoticed in B & F's and Gary was no exception.  2 thirds were his best finishes but I'm fairly sure he came runners-up in a Brownlow as well.  He was an absolute gun with a great set of hands.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

15,000 people to a Saturday night game?

North need to hurry up and relocate to Hobart, sorry Nasher.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Clint Bizkit

[TRIGON 4,719]

12 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Just saw the crowd at the nth suns game. Wow is anyone there? 

Maybe a lot of the north members were taking the hawks members out for a walk?

Edited April 29, 2017 by TRIGON

[Lucifers Hero 37,323]

12 hours ago, Nasher said:

It clearly depends on which players get injured.  You can't tell me you wouldn't forgive Geelong a few losses if Dangerfield and Selwood both went down for 10 weeks each at the same time.

But we haven't lost our 2 match winners for 10 weeks.  And yes we will forgive a few losses but I wouldn't like to see us accept that injuries are the reason we lost the last 3 games. I know that is not what you are saying nor suggesting but others on this site are.

So to give folks some comparisons:

• The nearest is WCE who have lost both first choice ruckman for extended periods, their 3rd backup ruckman/forward is out for 5-6 weeks and they have an equally long list of injured depth players. Some will claim they keep winning because they are flat track bullies.  But last night they smashed a team we let pinch a game on our home turf a few weeks ago when we didn't have in game injuries.
• Another is the young, inexperienced WB lost their ruckman Roughhead in the second quarter of the 2016 prelim final but still found a way to win.  The main reason they won is because their leaders stood up and they had another 200+cm player on the ground (which teams nearly always do even during the season games) so they were able to stick to their game plan and structures.  For various reasons our structures  completely fell apart vs Richmond.

I agree that early injuries in games (and suspensions) have hurt but there were other factors that contributed to the three losses. 

What I'm finding a little frustrating is a growing narrative on DL that "we lost/will lose games because of injuries and suspensions, ipso facto injuries will cost us more games and finals".  I feel we can't afford to think 'oh, x+x is out' and that is why we lost/will lose.  I'm not suggesting you think like this Nasher as you are one of the more objective posters on this site. 

That narrative may make some people feel warm and fuzzy but if we accept it, it we will mask other problems that caused the 3 losses.  They have been done to death in other threads so won't back track here.

I'm incredibly proud of how our team has fought each game this year and love how they are going about it.  That will help us win a lot more games than some people may think.  But I have gone past accepting that injuries/suspensions caused all 3 losses and will be the reason for more. 

Edited April 29, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

7 hours ago, Macca said:

Hardeman was a great player ... we never played finals back then so therefore we were rarely on the 'replay' ... a lot of neutral supporters didn't get to see how good he was.  Back in the day I had a lot of Richmond mates and they all admired Hardeman.  As you said, he played consistently well on Royce Hart (who was a star)

Backmen often go unnoticed in B & F's and Gary was no exception.  2 thirds were his best finishes but I'm fairly sure he came runners-up in a Brownlow as well.  He was an absolute gun with a great set of hands.

I remember running on to the ground after the siren, back when you could do that. If you were fast enough you could catch the players before they got to the race. I back slapped Hardeman 33 a few times, it was like slapping your hand against a concrete wall. He used to towel Royce Hart on a regular basis, and could he take a mark....

[hardtack 10,150]

On 29/04/2017 at 9:34 AM, buck_nekkid said:

Winners special. $1.00 of a Halal snack pack.

That's not the real western Sydney...the real ugly western Sydney are your common all garden variety anglo bogans.

[What 18,810]

Adelaide annihilating Richmond would top today off nicely.

[Clintosaurus 6,676]

Dunn in a Pies guernsey. 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Pies been in front of Geelong all day...Watts going on?