Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

30 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Hypothetical,if we get Lever what happens to O.Mac ? Some suggest that we trade him,surely  T.Mac would probably want to leave. O.Mac might end up playing forward or a role similiar to his bro who knows. Lever would be good but playing overs may upset the "apple cart". To my knowledge one of the Scott brother was  better than the other yet Brissy could have traded one of them. 

mmmm......yeah, i was kinda thinking that... kinda....

[Garbo 1,542]

38 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Hypothetical,if we get Lever what happens to O.Mac ? Some suggest that we trade him,surely  T.Mac would probably want to leave. O.Mac might end up playing forward or a role similiar to his bro who knows. Lever would be good but playing overs may upset the "apple cart". To my knowledge one of the Scott brother was  better than the other yet Brissy could have traded one of them. 

Nothing in the short term, him or frost would be dropped against some teams, if tmac goes back again then both could be out at stages. Long term you would keep one as back up and trade the other, At this stage I rate them both fairly equally but I think omac has more upside so u keep him 

Edited August 4, 2017 by Garbo

[darkhorse72 1,925]

the word here int he west is that we are leading the race for Lever..  We'll see it it turns out to be true.

[Skuit 10,031]

1 hour ago, Deestroy All said:

Tomald going forward is a revelation. Untouchable now. He competes better than most forwards his size and will only get better. 

 

The nick-name 'Tomald' is revelation enough. It can even be used as a verb. Like when you Tomal the ball directly to the single opposition player standing in the middle of four of your own teammates.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,305]

1 hour ago, ENYAW said:

Hypothetical,if we get Lever what happens to O.Mac ? Some suggest that we trade him,surely  T.Mac would probably want to leave. O.Mac might end up playing forward or a role similiar to his bro who knows. Lever would be good but playing overs may upset the "apple cart". To my knowledge one of the Scott brother was  better than the other yet Brissy could have traded one of them. 

We're not gonna keep OMac just to keep his brother happy. If he's good enough he'll stay, if not he'll get traded or delisted. Simple. Jimmy Stynes didn't leave when Brian got dumped, Todd Viney didn't leave when Jay got the flick. Playing together would be nice but they're their own men with their own careers.

Can't believe I had to actually say that.

[whatwhat say what 22,949]

What's the general consensus on the notion of Hogan of being used as an asset to get Lever?

I don't like it, personally, when the option is there to trade something else - I do not want to lose Hogan

Edited August 4, 2017 by DemonAndrew

[Lord Travis 10,763]

9 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

What's the general consensus on the notion of Hogan of being used as an asset to get Lever?

I don't like it, personally, when the option is there to trade something else - I do not want to lose Hogan

Silly option. We need quality at both ends, robbing one to strengthen the other defeats the purpose. Without Hogan we would then lack quality key forwards who can clunk marks and kick bags of goals. He's the only one currently on our list that who has proven quality do do this. 

To get Lever, we will need to trade a good pick/s and maybe a player. It would be worth it as Lever is also proven quality. With Lever at one end and Hogan at the other, we are set at both ends for the next decade and can build around them.

[deelete my account 1,194]

2 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Hypothetical,if we get Lever what happens to O.Mac ? Some suggest that we trade him,surely  T.Mac would probably want to leave. O.Mac might end up playing forward or a role similiar to his bro who knows. Lever would be good but playing overs may upset the "apple cart". To my knowledge one of the Scott brother was  better than the other yet Brissy could have traded one of them. 

The question should probably be reframed "What happens to Garland, if we get Lever" as Omac can now take over Garlands role next year.

Edited August 4, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[Ethan Tremblay 30,970]

Ffs trade Hogan to get Lever? I'm lost for words. 

[junk 342]

Hogan 4 Lever possibly a win/win for both clubs. Dees don't rely on Hogan to win games these days. There will be other players that will fill his shoes and we do not have to wait one day for Hogan to return home as it will be somebody elses problem. The Dees are trying to play Wagner as a mid and other players will play different roles in the future.

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I thought defence was only true in fairy tales meant for some other club but not for us. KPF's were out to get us. That's the way it seemed. Disappointment haunted all my dreams. Then I saw his highlights, and now i want Lever. Not a trace of doubt in my mind. I'm in love, now I want Lever! I couldn't leave him if I tried.

Edited August 4, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[binman 43,816]

34 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Hogan 4 Lever possibly a win/win for both clubs. Dees don't rely on Hogan to win games these days. There will be other players that will fill his shoes and we do not have to wait one day for Hogan to return home as it will be somebody elses problem. The Dees are trying to play Wagner as a mid and other players will play different roles in the future.

Please stop.

[picket fence 17,531]

Hogan for Lever?? Tell em they are  dreamin!

Happy to offer any combo of

ANB, Harmes, Billy Stretch, Vanders, Gus, Trengove, JKH,?? 

Plus draft picks!

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

What's the general consensus on the notion of Hogan of being used as an asset to get Lever?

I don't like it, personally, when the option is there to trade something else - I do not want to lose Hogan

That notion has no motion in the ocean of sanity.

[brendan 3,437]

This thread has gone mad 1st off it was Tyson getting put up for trade which is madness and now hogan, my god that's just rediculous, might as well offer up clarry next 

[SaberFang 7,151]

I will say -- it'll be interesting to see if we return to consistent form with Hogan back out of the side. 

He's obviously best 22 but it's hard to deny that, during our strongest patch of the year (Gold Coast to West Coast), neither Gawn or Hogan were in the team.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

The nick-name 'Tomald' is revelation enough. It can even be used as a verb. Like when you Tomal the ball directly to the single opposition player standing in the middle of four of your own teammates.

Jason Dunstall called him Tomald McDonell in round 1 v the Saints. So that's what me and my mates will stick with for life. The damage is done. 

[Deestroy All 14,266]

19 minutes ago, picket fence said:

ANB, Harmes, Billy Stretch, Vanders, Gus, Trengove, JKH,?? 

Plus draft picks!

Yeah, Tom McNamara, Weetra and Clint Bartram nearly landed us Judd, so no reason why this won't work. 

[Crystal Dees 372]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We're not gonna keep OMac just to keep his brother happy. If he's good enough he'll stay, if not he'll get traded or delisted. Simple. Jimmy Stynes didn't leave when Brian got dumped, Todd Viney didn't leave when Jay got the flick. Playing together would be nice but they're their own men with their own careers.

Can't believe I had to actually say that.

That is how it should be and usually is. Tom, the person, is a little different to most. He was almost obsessive in trying to get to play with Oscar and signed his contract extension on the same day and duration as Oscar when the club offered him a longer deal. I am not saying that's why we would keep Oscar over Frost, although if we had to I probably would. But I do believe trading Oscar would influence Tom's next contract decision.

[junk 342]

Dr Gonzo, comparing Brian to Jimmy and Jay to Todd Viney is so far off the mark as one bro was so much inferior to the other.Oscar offers or will offer value as does his brother. Picket fence suggested his offerings,Gus and/or Harmes plus draft picks for Lever would be going backwards. We need quality mids. Loyalty has gone out the door,surprise supporters don't jump ship during bad times  !!!!!!!!

[The end is nigh 405]

Ok I was avoiding this topic because I thought it really didn't have any legs but the drums are beating so I'll bite.  

Levers use at Adelaide is as a second/third tall and clearly very effectively. But prior to being drafted (and prior to the leg injury before that) there was a great talk of his skills and tank being more akin to a mid. You know how most top clubs have a sizeable beast in the guts? It would be nice to have one of our own. I see lever as undersized to take on a power forward, but an excellent chop out player and ideally I'd love him to be a float back seventh defender, taking on Lewis's role of this year when Lewis fades off into his twilight.

Players like Bont and Fyfe who are damaging when pushing forward would be his focus when playing sides with that calibre weapon, but other wise he could join hibberd in turning anything less than perfect i50s into pointed attacks. 

Havent seen Lever forward of centre to judge how much more damage he can do, but that's my two cents on it. 

Ps. all this is based around tmac staying forward, with omac and frost defensive pillars. If the club sees tmac going back again I think we'd be too tall(or at least talent heavy with AFL quality talls from a list perspective) in the back half and wouldn't push for lever at all. 

[The end is nigh 405]

Also fair price in my book is lever plus third/fourth rounder for first rounder and nibbler. If that's something that appeals to the crows, I see it as equal. I like nibbler, but just picks won't cut it. Definitely don't want to buy out of next years draft for any player going round, that apparently where the stars are coming from. Luke Molan mark II type stars, I hear. 

[In Harmes Way 7,823]

What did Geelong give up to the crows to get Dangerfield?

Edited August 4, 2017 by small but forward

[Dante 2,739]

Not sure why there are so many in this thread suggesting we trade ANB, I'd say he would be one of the first picked every week.  The coach seems to have a really high regard for him and seems to think he does his job effectively most weeks, but here on Land, he's the first one to go.  

I'd be happy to get Lever but we have to balance it up with what we are prepared to pay and let's not rob Peter to pay Paul. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

23 minutes ago, small but forward said:

What did Geelong give up to the crows to get Dangerfield?

Their dignity, as well as any success in the period of time starting from 2018 onwards.

I shouldn't say that, he fell in to their laps, but the rest of their trading strategy in recent years will cripple them for a long time.  Excellent.

Edited August 4, 2017 by The Chazz