Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[beelzebub 22,230]

14 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Fair few there you're over rating. i think it's assured he will finish top 10 in their B&F and probably top 5. Will be interesting to see. Also we are talking about a kid  5 years away from his best footy with 10 years probably left. Not exactly apples with apples. 

Be interesting to see where he DOES place.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Lol some posters questioning Lever's worth.

lolololololol

[PaulRB 5,974]

Watched him closely last night and like his composure, aggression and smarts directing play in and out of back line. 

He'd be a significant addition. We pay what the market requires. 

[beelzebub 22,230]

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Lol some posters questioning Lever's worth.

lolololololol

Many aren't questioning the validity of getting him just discussing where the buy price ( to Adelaide) ought to sit. There seems a fairly broad range as to that.

[SFebes 4,692]

I think Cat's kicking efficiency was probably the sole reason why their key forwards didn't do much, it was atrocious, gys like Lever who plug the holes will always get marks. Does anyone know the disposal efficiency of both sides?

One thing that stood out to me and nothing to do with Lever was how quick you can score when not over hand balling the bloody thing, kicking moves it quicker and puts pressure on the opposition. Funnily, the last 3 sides left play this attacking style that kicking as a way to move the ball quickly, GWS Rich and ADEL. Compare that to our rubbish slop chop around packs and we have a bit to work on.

Also does anyone have the kick to h'ball ratio for the crows? I think that's how I'd like to see the Dee's move the ball going forward.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

9 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Watched him closely last night and like his composure, aggression and smarts directing play in and out of back line.

Does this mean we don't need Lewis?

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,473]

2 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I think Cat's kicking efficiency was probably the sole reason why their key forwards didn't do much, it was atrocious, gys like Lever who plug the holes will always get marks. Does anyone know the disposal efficiency of both sides?

One thing that stood out to me and nothing to do with Lever was how quick you can score when not over hand balling the bloody thing, kicking moves it quicker and puts pressure on the opposition. Funnily, the last 3 sides left play this attacking style that kicking as a way to move the ball quickly, GWS Rich and ADEL. Compare that to our rubbish slop chop around packs and we have a bit to work on.

Also does anyone have the kick to h'ball ratio for the crows? I think that's how I'd like to see the Dee's move the ball going forward.

I agree with this. There are times using the handballs to release an open player is important, but I'd like to see us back the players in more and get the ball moving forward. It means the forwards need to always been in the right position to contest and not allow easy marks.

The Hawks did this well during their glory years. They wouldn't always move the ball with precision, but they would always get it moving forward with little knock ons.

[Pennant St Dee 11,336]

His biggest assets are his leadership and composure.

Especially for a player his age

 

[PaulRB 5,974]

The Adelaide back line is great at holding the ball up while their mids get reorganised (defence to offence) and then feeding it in...

Edited September 23, 2017 by PaulRB

[TheoX 1,218]

1 hour ago, JV7 said:

Just because Adelaide want 2 first rounders doesn't mean he is worth it, I don't think many agree he is worth that. Our first & 2nd is more likely. Anyway people lose sight of draft picks, we of all supporters should know a top draft pick isn't guaranteed, the club will pay what he's worth in terms of a trade. Money wise I couldn't give a f%%k what we pay him.. But We'll agree to disagree... I'm confident he'll be a 2 time All Australian this time next year

Now that would be an achievement! Considering he hasn't yet been a 1 time AA 

 

If he nominates us, and he will only nominate one club so there will be no bidding war, he's worth this year's first and second given he's out of contract.

Edited September 23, 2017 by TheoX

[Redleg 37,809]

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

That's not necessarily relevant to his currency on the open market. The players' age and the role they play becomes a factor. As an example, the Weid wouldn't rate in our top 25, but that doesn't mean he's only worth a third round pick on the open market.

The Crouch brothers would have only broken into the Crows top 10 this year, and they've been in the system for a while. And as much as I love Rory Laird, the role he plays would never command a high 1st rd pick.

Fair point. 

[Redleg 37,809]

1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Fair few there you're over rating. i think it's assured he will finish top 10 in their B&F and probably top 5. Will be interesting to see. Also we are talking about a kid  5 years away from his best footy with 10 years probably left. Not exactly apples with apples. 

Don't disagree, but it probably goes to the discussion between the clubs as to his value.

Anyway he will be a great addition to our list if we get him .

[Diamond_Jim 11,861]

On the AFL site 15 Crows players were ranked in front of Lever for last night's game.

Their comment was:

Jake Lever – 5
Has set a high standard for himself this season and was not quite up to that level. Did his best to float across and impact contests when he could.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-22/every-crow-rated-from-the-first-preliminary-final-

[Redleg 37,809]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Lol some posters questioning Lever's worth.

lolololololol

No not his worth, his cost.

Think we are all excited to hopefully get him.

Just hoping he doesn't cost too much.

[beelzebub 22,230]

50 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I think Cat's kicking efficiency was probably the sole reason why their key forwards didn't do much, it was atrocious, gys like Lever who plug the holes will always get marks. Does anyone know the disposal efficiency of both sides?

One thing that stood out to me and nothing to do with Lever was how quick you can score when not over hand balling the bloody thing, kicking moves it quicker and puts pressure on the opposition. Funnily, the last 3 sides left play this attacking style that kicking as a way to move the ball quickly, GWS Rich and ADEL. Compare that to our rubbish slop chop around packs and we have a bit to work on.

Also does anyone have the kick to h'ball ratio for the crows? I think that's how I'd like to see the Dee's move the ball going forward.

Certainly hope a Mr Goodwin & Co were watching  intently. That said, hope our list in the main were also. A particular  irony of sorts I thought as Adelaide did to the Pvssies effectively what we did to them !!. We can get it right...sometimes

Adelaide's composure under onslaught was a major differentiation last night.

Lever seldom seems to get flustered.. Amazing that hes only 21. Old head , young shoulders. Hope we get him .

[beelzebub 22,230]

27 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Now that would be an achievement! Considering he hasn't yet been a 1 time AA 

 

If he nominates us, and he will only nominate one club so there will be no bidding war, he's worth this year's first and second given he's out of contract.

made the squad if not the team. Not too shabby

 Interesting as to who it might have been to beat him to the team's possie 

[rjay 23,932]

Another thing to be noted with Lever is that opposition teams have been running a defensive forward against him to try and take him out of the game, keep him away from the footy.

It's happened in both finals, so it looks like the coaches rate him.

[Willmoy1947 3,800]

Adelaide's back line is one big Dragon like  unit

[SFebes 4,692]

43 minutes ago, rjay said:

Another thing to be noted with Lever is that opposition teams have been running a defensive forward against him to try and take him out of the game, keep him away from the footy.

It's happened in both finals, so it looks like the coaches rate him.

Who? I didn't see anyone specifically go to him last night at all.

[rjay 23,932]

Just now, SFebey said:

Who? I didn't see anyone specifically go to him last night at all.

Stanley had the job last night.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,523]

48 minutes ago, rjay said:

Another thing to be noted with Lever is that opposition teams have been running a defensive forward against him to try and take him out of the game, keep him away from the footy.

It's happened in both finals, so it looks like the coaches rate him.

Yeah he wasn't in the game as much last night as the Cats tried to take him away from the contest to limit his impact. Sacrificed his personal game for the team game.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

13 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Who? I didn't see anyone specifically go to him last night at all.

Probably part of the reason why you don't fully understand how good the bloke is.

[Redleg 37,809]

3 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Does this mean we don't need Lewis?

I don't think you can play Bernie and Lewis in the same team, as they are both getting very slow for today's game.

[SFebes 4,692]

4 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Probably part of the reason why you don't fully understand how good the bloke is.

"The Man" lol

On a lighter note, yes I do and I want him, but not for two first round draft picks. Rumour going around that its Watts + pick 10 to Collingwood for their pick 6 to on trade to Crows.

If that happens its a 1st and 3rd round pick for Lever, which is fair IMO. (as long as he's not on $900k per year).

Edited September 23, 2017 by SFebey

[mo64 5,209]

19 minutes ago, SFebey said:

"The Man" lol

On a lighter note, yes I do and I want him, but not for two first round draft picks. Rumour going around that its Watts + pick 10 to Collingwood for their pick 6 to on trade to Crows.

If that happens its a 1st and 3rd round pick for Lever, which is fair IMO. (as long as he's not on $900k per year).

No it doesn't. It means we give a 1st round pick, Jack Watts and a 3rd round pick.  Unless we got Collingwood's 2nd round pick back, it's daylight robbery.