1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Reported on 3AW tonight that Carlton submitted a report to the AFL re Rowe's postmatch headaches.

Carlton dogged on us.

A club I genuinely hate.

Reminiscent of Trenner's sling tackle on Danger so long ago. Trenners got 3 I think because of the Crows medical report of concussion. Danger played the next week and kicked 6! 

50 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

they teach you in karate how you can kill with an open hand (using the bottom of the palm) specifically with a jab action

so the open hand vs fist depends on how it is delivered

just saying

This is true, a palm heel strike is a devastating technique, Dermott Brereton broke Tony Free's jaw with this very action. Dont think arguing it was an open hand would really do us much good.

51 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

they teach you in karate how you can kill with an open hand (using the bottom of the palm) specifically with a jab action

so the open hand vs fist depends on how it is delivered

just saying

I've always found an open hand sufficient in the marital arts dc.

At least Hogan's reputation will grow to a player who don't take Sh!t from no-one and that in turn will strike further fear into the opposition.

Just now, McQueen said:

At least Hogan's reputation will grow to a player who don't take Sh!t from no-one and that in turn will strike further fear into the opposition.

Or they'll see his reaction as a sign that you can get under his skin and make him do silly things, and thus opposition backs will annoy him week in, week out looking for that reaction.

I'm surprised that the MRP haven't given Max 15 weeks for something or other, Jack Viney half a dozen for just plain being aggressive. But I do agree that having a go behind the play isn't smart.

However, I strongly believe that the AFL with the gazbillions of dollars they make through TV deals have a DUTY to (a) make the game explainable to foreigners and not open to interpretation from an umpiring perspective (who knows if the umpires are on the take given they're not full time) and (b) protect the players, but (c) remove any ambiguity from the sanction process. Mark Evans was on SEN this evening explaining the MRP have multiple means of grading any incident to achieve the outcome they're looking for - i.e. the ambiguity is inherently built in. 

This dictatorship approach only falls apart once WADA become involved and the AFL can't self govern any more.

Well if it was the other way around we'd be calling for players suspensions. It was dumb and Hogan did it out of frustration. he didn't need to do it. Lewis's problem was his record. We can cover Lewis but Hogan, it will be tougher. I guess the thing is he gets 2 weeks off and comes back fresh against Richmond, hopefully ready to go and fired up. 

It's to risky to appeal if both players get slapped with the extra week. 

but cant believe thompson only got a week and  varcoe copped a fine. He ran past the ball to take the player out. 

Fear not....it was just a matter of time before the league was once again exposed to the irresitible force of Pedo!!

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Or they'll see his reaction as a sign that you can get under his skin and make him do silly things, and thus opposition backs will annoy him week in, week out looking for that reaction.

Davey all over again.

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Davey all over again.

I still remember the Saints getting under his skin in the Elimination Final in '06.  The beauty was that Flash learned from it, and hopefully Hogan does the same (and does it a little quicker than Flash did, too).

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Sorry MFC

Weak as ....

Why would you appeal? It won't be over turned and you risk an extra week

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Reported on 3AW tonight that Carlton submitted a report to the AFL re Rowe's postmatch headaches.

Carlton dogged on us.

A club I genuinely hate.

I really hate Carlton. I was yelling at everyone and everything around me when they had the ascendancy in the second and third quarters.

Plainly, these are two very big outs and it takes the icing off the win somewhat. But at least we won - I'd be on a rampage with Lewis out for three and Hogan out for two if we also lost the game.

Anyway, Carlton can throw their toys. We have an exciting future. They suck. On many levels. Well coached though, defensively at least - while it was painful to watch a game played in our forward 50 with 36 players in there, it was pretty effective for much of the game. Bloody mongrels. Here's wishing them no success for a very, very long period of time.

 

Just now, Wiseblood said:

I still remember the Saints getting under his skin in the Elimination Final in '06.  The beauty was that Flash learned from it, and hopefully Hogan does the same (and does it a little quicker than Flash did, too).

Interesting. My memory of Flash was that after that he had one good year playing as a winger and HB, and players took to him week in week out, and every time, it curbed his influence.

Just cos it affected him doesn't mean it will affect Jesse. Hell, it might even spur him on and make him a better player. After all, some guys love pressure. I think on balance, it's more likely to be a hinderance. You have to assume players like Watts, Petracca, Viney, Jones... all get their fair share of sledging. And these incidents don't happen. 

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Interesting. My memory of Flash was that after that he had one good year playing as a winger and HB, and players took to him week in week out, and every time, it curbed his influence.

Just cos it affected him doesn't mean it will affect Jesse. Hell, it might even spur him on and make him a better player. After all, some guys love pressure. I think on balance, it's more likely to be a hinderance. You have to assume players like Watts, Petracca, Viney, Jones... all get their fair share of sledging. And these incidents don't happen. 

Sorry Dappa, I should have specified - I meant that he learned from it in time, not that he learned from it after the final against the Saints.

And yes, I agree re: Jesse.  It may have no affect on him at all going forward, and let's hope that this is the case.

IMO both deserved to be suspended but I don't agree with the penalties.

The MRP continues to focus too heavily IMO on the outcome and not on the action. As such, Scott Thompson gets one week and Preuss gets a fine because, presumably, their respective victims did not suffer any injuries. But Cripps suffered a broken jaw and Rowe had headaches and that makes the suspensions heavier for Lewis/Hogan. I don't think that's the right way to go about it.

I'm also not convinced Hogan intended to strike Rowe in the head, and I would view Thompson's act as "worse", but so be it. He shouldn't be putting himself at the mercy of the MRP.

The two of them have to accept they made inexcusable decisions and the club has to learn to control the aggression.

Sent from Redleg. 

Sorry they're sideways. I'm out at the moment. Will fix later. 

Caro just said on FC that the Carlton medical report 'did not mince words' and 'did Melbourne no favours'.  She said Carlton are angry about the 2 incidence and Melbourne are angry about the medical reports.  She said there is 'bad blood' between the two clubs.

It sounds like Carlton did a dummy spit and decided to make life difficult for us.  The medical evidence apparently is why we won't appeal - pretty difficult to argue against doctors.

They stitched us up!

Edited April 3, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

14 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Why would you appeal? It won't be over turned and you risk an extra week

Really. You know that.

The likes of the filth or hawks etc would take the MRP to task.

Im not sitting comfortably with 'rolling' 

 

Just now, Demonland said:

Sorry they're sideways. I'm out at the moment. Will fix later. 

Great.... Now i'm out for 4-6 with a neck strain 

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Caro just said on FC that the Carlton medical report 'did not mince words' and 'did Melbourne no favours'.  She said Carlton are angry about the 2 incidence and Melbourne are angry about the medical reports.  She said there is 'bad blood' between the two clubs.

It sounds like Carlton did a dummy spit and decided to make life difficult for us.  The medical evidence apparently is why we won't appeal - pretty difficult to argue against it.

They stitched us up!

Carlton...cant do brown paper bags any more...so they 'play' underhanded. How surprising. 

Bunch of phlogs

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Carlton...cant do brown paper bags any more...so they 'play' underhanded. How surprising. 

Bunch of phlogs

Unfortunately, at the end of the day, there's only two people who look like phlogs 

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Caro just said on FC that the Carlton medical report 'did not mince words' and 'did Melbourne no favours'.  She said Carlton are angry about the 2 incidence and Melbourne are angry about the medical reports.  She said there is 'bad blood' between the two clubs.

It sounds like Carlton did a dummy spit and decided to make life difficult for us.  The medical evidence apparently is why we won't appeal - pretty difficult to argue against doctors.

They stitched us up!

she also said in the hogan case he was throwing up in the rooms after the game, no mention of headaches.......so which is it? and again how do you prove it was this incident when no on-ground tests done by medicos

54 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I've always found an open hand sufficient in the marital arts dc.

Too much information, way too much....

56 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Or they'll see his reaction as a sign that you can get under his skin and make him do silly things, and thus opposition backs will annoy him week in, week out looking for that reaction.

Eventually it will pay off.