Changes for Round 2 v Carlton

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

On 3/27/2017 at 9:40 AM, Dante said:

When Max went off for 10 minutes Jack proved to be invaluable and I doubt they will leave him out of the side, the rest of his game was solid and apart from a couple of grabs he should have taken, in packs, he was good. Jack does a lot of little things that lead to scores because he doesn't panic when he has the ball and as Roos said in the commentary, he has "elite decision making".

Thanks for all the info. You'll find though, anyone that comes on here is well and truly up to date on all of the above. I reckon most of us have watched the game a few times. I've had it on 6 times. I saw Watts play. I think he was in the worst 6 in the squad on the day, and had Spencer played I don't think he would have. I'm not a massive Watts fan, but I'm not a hater either, I just like to go on matchups. Kreuzer for example looked like a new man on the weekend, and with Maxie's wrist and back, it's possible Spencer comes in. It might be Spencer in for Smith and Tyson for Bernie... Not like for like, but horses for courses. But if they decide they need Tyson and Bugg in to move the ball, then I for one won't be too worried if Jack takes a seat for Spence.

All I'm saying is, Watts out is something I'm increasingly ok with. Especially in light of what were, frankly, some selection surprises last week that all paid off (ANB and Hannan as defensive forwards). In Goody I trust.

[Dante 2,577]

1 hour ago, Dappa Dan said:

Thanks for all the info. You'll find though, anyone that comes on here is well and truly up to date on all of the above. I reckon most of us have watched the game a few times. I've had it on 6 times. I saw Watts play. I think he was in the worst 6 in the squad on the day, and had Spencer played I don't think he would have. I'm not a massive Watts fan, but I'm not a hater either, I just like to go on matchups. Kreuzer for example looked like a new man on the weekend, and with Maxie's wrist and back, it's possible Spencer comes in. It might be Spencer in for Smith and Tyson for Bernie... Not like for like, but horses for courses. But if they decide they need Tyson and Bugg in to move the ball, then I for one won't be too worried if Jack takes a seat for Spence.

All I'm saying is, Watts out is something I'm increasingly ok with. Especially in light of what were, frankly, some selection surprises last week that all paid off (ANB and Hannan as defensive forwards). In Goody I trust.

You suggested that he might be the one to miss out, I gave my opinion why he shouldn't, I wasn't aware that you'd watched the game 6 times and what other posters had done was irrelevant, we agree to disagree. I think that Jack is doing what the Coach wants and that he will probably play most games this year. Jack will play better games than that but I doubt that Spence will.

 

Edited March 30, 2017 by Dante

[Demon Dynasty 16,371]

8 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Noticed that Petracca, Watts and Vince combined for zero tackles last week.  What does this mean?  Just an anomaly?

Wouldnt want that happening too often.

So busy disposing all their possessions at such a high effeciency their was no need to retrieve the ball with tackles Trac 

[old dee 23,256]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

So busy disposing all their possessions at such a high effeciency their was no need to retrieve the ball with tackles Trac 

I tend to agree RN. There is not much need to tackle when you are the one with the ball.

[mo64 5,280]

 

5 hours ago, Copuchas said:

Thanks Binman.  If mo64 paid any attention whatsoever to what was said publicly by the club last year (Josh Mahoney IIRC), he'd understand that there was very specific selection planning around the 6 day breaks and the interstate trips, particularly the Darwin one where humidity was involved.  But perhaps ignorance is the preferred approach.

What a load of croc. Do the interstate clubs, who travel fortnightly, make constant selection changes due to travel. NO. The only exception would be older players, like Sam Mitchell or a Matty Boyd, who may struggle to come up, or 1st year players. But that tends to happen midyear, not 2 rounds into the season.

To think that you'd compromise on selection this week for any reason is absurd. Do you realise that Geelong also have a 6 day break?

 

[Demon Dynasty 16,371]

 

12 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Thanks for all the info. You'll find though, anyone that comes on here is well and truly up to date on all of the above. I reckon most of us have watched the game a few times. I've had it on 6 times. I saw Watts play. I think he was in the worst 6 in the squad on the day, and had Spencer played I don't think he would have. I'm not a massive Watts fan, but I'm not a hater either, I just like to go on matchups. Kreuzer for example looked like a new man on the weekend, and with Maxie's wrist and back, it's possible Spencer comes in. It might be Spencer in for Smith and Tyson for Bernie... Not like for like, but horses for courses. But if they decide they need Tyson and Bugg in to move the ball, then I for one won't be too worried if Jack takes a seat for Spence.

All I'm saying is, Watts out is something I'm increasingly ok with. Especially in light of what were, frankly, some selection surprises last week that all paid off (ANB and Hannan as defensive forwards). In Goody I trust.

I think the off season "Party" (Cough ?) is well and truly over for our Mr Watts. Hopefully back on Trac now.

Would be better for the run and will be surprised if dropped.

Wags & Tyson me thinks 

Edited March 30, 2017 by Rusty Nails

[nutbean 8,837]

18 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

I see your point. I would still rather have that problem though. Much prefer a fit Dean Kent ahead of Tyson or Harmes. Also, I wouldn't be against moving Lewis to the back line for this game - to cover Vince - and give us a calm head down back. That would essentially free up a position in the midfield for one of the forwards. Kent could then take his position up forward. IMO Kent is a great fit in our side no matter what, whereas Tyson and Harmes are behind a few midfielders. Kent kicks goals, and goals win matches. He would be a headache for Carlton up forward.

Tyson behind a few midfielders ? 4th in our best and fairest last season. Can at times turn it over a bit (as can Viney) - I think you'll find he is a walk up starter when fit and firing. Comparing Kent to Tyson ? Why ? One is an inside mid and the other plays the small forward role. Not competing for the same spots. 

[praha 10,575]

On 3/27/2017 at 0:13 PM, Grimes Times said:

Gotta love Carlton supporters. This from http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35716 

"We could be lke the Dees in 3 years but highly unlikely. The AFL stepped in and helped Melbourne. First they used their secret formula to come up with pick 3 as compo for losing Frawley. They talked Roos into coaching again and then paid his contract for 3 years. They put a CEO in place and helped negotiate compo from the MCC because they had MCC Melbourne members, as all clubs do.
They became a destination club in part due to Roos and now is it paying off.
The AFL do not give a stuff about us and we will not help.
This will be ugly I am afraid."

Well there's nothing wrong about what he said lol

[Gator 16,921]

19 minutes ago, praha said:

Well there's nothing wrong about what he said lol

Well there is.

The AFL gave the MFC a one off payment of $1.4 to help restructure the football department.  They didn't "pay Roos salary for 3 years".

[MT64 1,128]

Correct ProDee. The club paid Roos's salary to my knowledge. Not too sure about the compo from the MCC. Can someone enlighten?

[Pates 9,560]

27 minutes ago, MT64 said:

Correct ProDee. The club paid Roos's salary to my knowledge. Not too sure about the compo from the MCC. Can someone enlighten?

I don't know the full details but I believe the we (with the AFL's assistance) successfully argued to the MCC that given the high number of MCC members who were MFC fans they were potentially hurting revenue for the club and so provided us with compensation.I believe it was a one off payment.

As for the other payments from the AFL, I think that was largely to dig us out of the hole we'd put ourselves in. I also think they played a huge part in helping to recruit both PJ and Roos, basically providing assurances that they would keep a watchful eye on us if needed. But once they took over it really doesn't seem like it's been needed. 

[KingDingAling 3,683]

3 hours ago, nutbean said:

Tyson behind a few midfielders ? 4th in our best and fairest last season. Can at times turn it over a bit (as can Viney) - I think you'll find he is a walk up starter when fit and firing. Comparing Kent to Tyson ? Why ? One is an inside mid and the other plays the small forward role. Not competing for the same spots. 

If Kent does come in I did say I wouldn't be against moving Lewis down back, freeing up a position in the midfield for one of our forwards. Kent could then take his place in the forward line. Not sure how fit either Kent or Tyson are. But if it rains I would play Tyson, if not, I wouldn't. He might of came 4th in the B&F, but so would have Lewis, and on form - so would Oliver. These are the players Tyson is competing with for that midfield spot. And there are match fit. If Tyson does get a game I am not sure at who's expense (maybe same thing, move Lewis down back).

Edited March 30, 2017 by KingDingAling

[Dee Dee 1,064]

4 hours ago, MT64 said:

Not too sure about the compo from the MCC. Can someone enlighten?

I believe the MCC gives the MFC a certain amount each year to cover the cost of MCC members attending Melbourne games.

And of course as the football club is a sporting section of the cricket club they help the football club in various little ways.

[Jock Strap 197]

I think Tyson is a given - and an important in.

I'm also warming to Spencer coming in so we have a resting ruck in the forward line. Apart from potential forward assistance, this would mean Carlton need an extra tall to cover our taller forward line. It therefore reduces chance they'll stack their forward line with extra talls (putting pressure on the McDonalds and our smaller backs)

[sue 8,633]

16 hours ago, mo64 said:

 

What a load of croc. Do the interstate clubs, who travel fortnightly, make constant selection changes due to travel. NO. The only exception would be older players, like Sam Mitchell or a Matty Boyd, who may struggle to come up, or 1st year players. But that tends to happen midyear, not 2 rounds into the season.

To think that you'd compromise on selection this week for any reason is absurd. Do you realise that Geelong also have a 6 day break?

 

I'd expect he'd say that Geelong also may plan their selections partly around more than just the immediate game.  
The key word is partly.  Probably affects only a selection or two at most. 

A 'compromise on selection' isn't taboo in itself - eg. ensuring young players are rested, or played over older guys to give them experience; both may risk weakening the team in the coming match.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Just noticed Tiges on top of the ladder today, does make one feel slightly nauseous...

[mo64 5,280]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

I'd expect he'd say that Geelong also may plan their selections partly around more than just the immediate game.  
The key word is partly.  Probably affects only a selection or two at most. 

A 'compromise on selection' isn't taboo in itself - eg. ensuring young players are rested, or played over older guys to give them experience; both may risk weakening the team in the coming match.

I agree with that, which I stated, but you don't factor that in 2-3 weeks into the season. We only had 2 first year players last week, and both were mature aged. Smith is out, and I can't see us resting Hannan. And I'd like to think that we've gone past the stage of gifting games to young players. 

I can't for the life of me see anyone being rested at this time of year.

[ArtificialWisdom 3,965]

8 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Just noticed Tiges on top of the ladder today, does make one feel slightly nauseous...

The higher the pedestal, the harder the fall.

[KingDingAling 3,683]

3 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Just noticed Tiges on top of the ladder today, does make one feel slightly nauseous...

No. I think the Tiges have a reasonable balance now. In the past they have lacked inside mids. They now have them. Although Prestia and Caddy are hardly setting the league alight, Dustin Martin was still able to predominately play forward and Tiges managed to etch out a win. In the past if Martin wasn't in that midfield, then they probably wouldn't get it forward as much. No doubt Nankervis helps. Early days yet though. But I will no longer pencil Richmond in as a W to us. We have matched up against them well in the past, but credit to Richmond, they have rectified some weaknesses in their side.

[Binmans PA 26,743]

11 hours ago, nutbean said:

Tyson behind a few midfielders ? 4th in our best and fairest last season. Can at times turn it over a bit (as can Viney) - I think you'll find he is a walk up starter when fit and firing. Comparing Kent to Tyson ? Why ? One is an inside mid and the other plays the small forward role. Not competing for the same spots. 

Yep, the Tyson whipping is getting pretty tiresome. Our best extractor behind Oliver.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,486]

3 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Just noticed Tiges on top of the ladder today, does make one feel slightly nauseous...

Not if you watched them play the last two weeks. 

[PaulRB 6,120]

19 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Just noticed Tiges on top of the ladder today, does make one feel slightly nauseous...

Tigers early beneficiaries of their draw, beating Carlton and Pies, both teams I'd have in bottom 6 spots come years end... 

Edited April 1, 2017 by PaulRB

[brendan 3,421]

Tigers have west coast at the MCG next week, win that and they might get some attention 

[Cards13 9,117]

On 30 March 2017 at 5:05 PM, Dees2014 said:

I'm surprised that you are surprised. Carlton have been blaming everyone else but themselves for almost 20 years. Who can forget John Elliott's infamous comments post the 2000 semifinal that eventually put us into the Gannie. I think his words were something to the effect that "melbourne are a nothing club and for the AFL to allow them to progress deep into the finals will be the death of the competition". They are arrogant, fat - and ultimately supremely unsuccessful. That quote by the way should be replayed to our players before every time we play them. It just illustrates what wankers they are. 

The flags they won in the Elliott years should all have an asterisk next to each one of them. The brown paper bags to players was out of control. They throughly deserve their current position especially after getting rid of Ratten and bringing the great talent in SoS.

[Ted Lasso 17,318]

17 hours ago, A F said:

Yep, the Tyson whipping is getting pretty tiresome. Our best extractor behind Oliver.

He's so important to our side, goal kicking kids are gold