Training - Wednesday 11 January, 2017

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, joeboy said:

String bean, as in skinny 

I know what you meant, but he was never really skinny.

 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

13 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I saw Gawn give Oliver a huge shove at one stage

I am shocked Clint, not, reckon poor old Clarry has a target on his jumper, I missed that one, only saw Nev dump him

[joeboy 2,793]

He was a kid.. he's now a man

[The Chazz 4,077]

13 minutes ago, stuie said:

I know what you meant, but he was never really skinny.

 

 

 

 

 

He's always been well defined, but is definitely bigger now that he's a man, which I'm certain is what Joeboy was taking about, Stuart.

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[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

32 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I don't see any significant difference between the two, in fact these images could be part of the same sequence.

 

Really? I know which one I prefer, the difference in the position of the right hand is telling.

[DeeSpencer 23,180]

30 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I don't see any significant difference between the two, in fact these images could be part of the same sequence.

 

Not a huge difference but a noticeable and important one. Hogan drops the ball too close to his body and then has to lean back and thrust his way in to his kicks or kick across the ball as he likes to do with his field kicking. That takes away momentum and distance and makes it harder to find a consistent rhythm.

This photo of Watts is a better one to compare to the first image of Hogan and you can see the ball is out infront of his plant leg and that he'll swing through it with all his weight going forward.

We've made a heap of progress with out coaching but I'm still surprised we don't have a specialist kicking coach with a biometric background. 

[Willmoy1947 3,782]

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

I hope we are not going to play unsociable football.

Weve taken years to build up an image of being absolute wimps.

Your namesake started all that

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

42 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Tom McDonald having shoulder surgery really is unfortunate because he needs all the upper body strength he can get, he still had a few brain fade and skill error moments

The perfect one, he couldn't decide mid jump whether to take above his head or on his chest, so dropped it cold

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Jetta seemed to be in every drill (did a few midfield drills which was great to see), he looks extremely fit and was really harsh on himself if he missed a target, such a natural leader

Giving him the opportunity to add another string to his bow, think they like his agility in close

Was disappointed you didn't say hello Clint, was looking for somebody in a cap at a rakish angle

[Willmoy1947 3,782]

Saty, are we looking at playing on with non preferred foot as the preferred option as against non preferred handball being less effective?

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Saty, are we looking at playing on with non preferred foot as the preferred option as against non preferred handball being less effective?

No, they practice both, but if we can kick we can clear congestion, Goody and Macca acknowledge the best form of defence is attack, just get it up the other end as quickly as possible

[Moonshadow 16,234]

41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not a huge difference but a noticeable and important one. Hogan drops the ball too close to his body and then has to lean back and thrust his way in to his kicks or kick across the ball as he likes to do with his field kicking. That takes away momentum and distance and makes it harder to find a consistent rhythm.

This photo of Watts is a better one to compare to the first image of Hogan and you can see the ball is out infront of his plant leg and that he'll swing through it with all his weight going forward.

We've made a heap of progress with out coaching but I'm still surprised we don't have a specialist kicking coach with a biometric background. 

Good points DS.

Hogan often contacts the ball very close to the point when it's on a 10-15 deg angle forward at the top. Watts tends to hit it when it's vertical. Not sure which is the more 'correct'.

 

[Demonated 252]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

I don't see any significant difference between the two, in fact these images could be part of the same sequence.

 

A few small things are different. Watts is dropping the ball from lower with his right hand being straight down by his waist which is always a good thing. He also has a more stable core in his kicking action than Hogan.

I'd imagine a front-on photo would also show Watts to be more straight and balanced. In saying that, nobody in our team has as good a technique and him so it's hard to compare Hogan to him.

[Jaded No More 58,070]

1 hour ago, CBDees said:

Good luck with the conversions. The MFC website has been stuck on 29,426 for far too long! 

Step 1: Take cousin to enough Melbourne games that he falls in love with Melbourne

Step 2: Tell Boyfriend he's out if he doesn't get interested

Step 3: Get them both to buy membership

Step 4: World domination 

[brendan 3,390]

10 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Step 1: Take cousin to enough Melbourne games that he falls in love with Melbourne

Step 2: Tell Boyfriend he's out if he doesn't get interested

Step 3: Get them both to buy membership

Step 4: World domination 

Tell boyfriend no bedroom access he will be a trident member by the end of the day 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Love reading through these training threads, keep up the good work fellas.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to attend any sessions myself due to work commitments and geographical restrictions. Was planning on going to the Friday session at Casey but since they had to change it, that won't be happening.

Can anyone give me an honest review on how Dec is looking at training? Much appreciated.  

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

From a squad point of view, we only seem to have Tyson and Kent (can't get any info, so have given up) as 'injured', Hannan, ANB and Mitch King do not seem far away from returning so touch wood we will have over 40 players ready to go. I have spoken to a few of the players and they know if you get into the 22 in the AFL you will have perform consistently to a high standard or there will be somebody willing to do that and waiting to take your place

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

1 hour ago, Drunkn167 said:

Love reading through these training threads, keep up the good work fellas.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to attend any sessions myself due to work commitments and geographical restrictions. Was planning on going to the Friday session at Casey but since they had to change it, that won't be happening.

Can anyone give me an honest review on how Dec is looking at training? Much appreciated.  

Watched him from day 1, and also at Casey, just ticking through the sessions, nice solid build and neat skills,  I like his aggression, doesn't seem out of place

Edited January 11, 2017 by Satyriconhome

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Professional photos

Not so professional photos

[Lucifers Hero 37,090]

10 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Professional photos

Not so professional photos

Really like the 'Not so professional' pics - you captured all the action!

Particularly like the one of Petracca doing fancy footwork with the footy!

[tiers 2,769]

The keys to a good set kick are the ball drop and the timing. The ball drop can be taught and improved but the timing is innate.

Jack's ball drop is superior because he guides the ball onto his foot before the release  Jesse's ball drop can be clumsy as the release is too early so that it is more of a drop than a guide. Repetitive ball drop exercises using short kicks can improve the ball drop. Practicing the ball drop with one hand requires a later release and, when using the non-preferred side, is a good exercise to develop non-preferred foot kicking. Watch Chunka when he kicks with his left foot - his left hand mimics his right hand. Practice makes perfect.

The difference between good and not-so-good timing is apparent in the aesthetics of the kick and in the distance achieved. Notice how all reliable good kicks control the ball onto the foot and kick sweetly over long distance with little apparent effort. No one was better than Bernie Quinlan. Size doesn't matter - shorties can kick as long as biggies if they have a good ball drop and good timing.

For hurried kicks and kicks on the run there is another key - the feel of the ball in the hands. Some players have an innate ability to feel the ball in their hands, instinctively adjust the ball for the best ball drop and deliver a good kick. For the others, every kick can be a lottery.

In addition to Jack Watts, Cam Pedersen and Christian Salem have a lovely style and can deliver quality reliable kicks. Worth studying.

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 minute ago, tiers said:

The keys to a good set kick are the ball drop and the timing. The ball drop can be taught and improved but the timing is innate.

Jack's ball drop is superior because he guides the ball onto his foot before the release  Jesse's ball drop can be clumsy as the release is too early so that it is more of a drop than a guide. Repetitive ball drop exercises using short kicks can improve the ball drop. Practicing the ball drop with one hand requires a later release and, when using the non-preferred side, is a good exercise to develop non-preferred foot kicking. Watch Chunka when he kicks with his left foot - his left hand mimics his right hand. Practice makes perfect.

The difference between good and not-so-good timing is apparent in the aesthetics of the kick and in the distance achieved. Notice how all reliable good kicks control the ball onto the foot and kick sweetly over long distance with little apparent effort. No one was better than Bernie Quinlan. Size doesn't matter - shorties can kick as long as biggies if they have a good ball drop and good timing.

For hurried kicks and kicks on the run there is another key - the feel of the ball in the hands. Some players have an innate ability to feel the ball in their hands, instinctively adjust the ball for the best ball drop and deliver a good kick. For the others, every kick can be a lottery.

In addition to Jack Watts, Cam Pedersen and Christian Salem have a lovely style and can deliver quality reliable kicks. Worth studying.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread (and you can see in my photos above), Petracca spent a lot of time on his goal kicking and quite simply when he shanked his kicks it was all because of the ball drop.

It's not easy to perfect and is why kicking off a tee in rugby league and rugby is so much easier, but it is the key to good kicking.

[Maldonboy38 5,927]

Loved the photos of Petracca tackling Garlett, with Max Rooke grinning in the background. If we can harness even 10% of Rooke's aggression and instill it into some of our players, out contested ball work will improve even further. 

[hardtack 10,127]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Professional photos

Not so professional photos

Were you the guy armed with two Canons and a couple of nice lens? If I'd known I would have said hello.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

20 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Were you the guy armed with two Canons and a couple of nice lens? If I'd known I would have said hello.

No, I just had a small SLR camera.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Clint Bizkit