On 15/12/2016 at 3:21 PM, Chris said:

With the findings to be released on the 31st of December at 11:59pm as well?

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-22/afl-hits-giants-with-massive-fine-over-whitfield-saga

The AFL are fining themselves...novel idea.

Edited December 22, 20168 yr by rjay

10 minutes ago, rjay said:

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-22/afl-hits-giants-with-massive-fine-over-whitfield-saga

The AFL are fining themselves...novel idea.

From that article:

" The loss of 1000 points will have a minimal affect on the Giants' ability to recruit academy graduates but it does limit their drafting capacity with 1000 points being about the equivalent of pick No.15, the selection the club took into the 2016 draft."

So

the player got one month effectively and the club got a limp slap over the wrist

Makes you wonder if the "managers" were the fall guys

The AFL bring down their verdict: $100,000 fine and loss of 1,000 draft points.  Fairly meaning less really - the draft points could be just a couple of third round picks.  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-22/afl-hits-giants-with-massive-fine-over-whitfield-saga  and the AFL will pay the $100,000 to themselves!

Another penalty to a club for 'not doing something bad'.  They AFL have conveniently rewritten the 'bring the game into disrepute' rule.  It is now: The Giants had been formally charged in November with "conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute". 

Shame Adelaide (Kurt Tippett storm in a teacup) and us Dees (non tanking) didn't get the same leniency.

The real loser in this is Brisbane.  Collingwood can withstand the loss of Allen but Lambert is a huge loss to Brisbane, a loss they can ill afford. They were truly the innocent bystander.

Nothing new to say the AFL have their priorities all wrong!

Edited December 22, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

GWS><AFL 

Bumped into Whitfield today coming out of Hawker Hall. I looked at him like "I know you from somewhere..." and he looked like he'd seen a ghost and ran off.

The kid didn't look like he was coping too well.

Meanwhile Gill and the Commission will take home their bonuses...

Laughable and completely unsurprising. Surely nobody actually expected the AFL would come up with a meaningful outcome here?

Great timing, too. They delayed long enough to miss this year's draft, and announced close enough to Christmas that nobody will even notice.

GWS lose the equivalent to pick 17. Never let it be said that the AFL won't come down hard on it's own club. Sure, they'll have a couple of picks inside the top ten and their protected academy players but Gil has drawn a huge line in the sand. Pick 17 is critical to this club's success and Gil has picked up two wet lettuces and let em' have it.

Some people have no perspective. 

GWS lost pick 15 and were fined $100k for a decision by a couple of managers, to hide a player,  in case there was a drug test, which incidentally there wasn't. 

We lost no picks and were fined $500k,  for a club sanctioned attempt,  to not do our best and thereby get pick 1, even though that was not the actual finding. Our whole club, including the Board, was behind our activity that lasted all year.  

Pick 15 is valuable to every club.

As I said on here, GWS would get a decent penalty for what happened and compared to ours, it is harsh. 

16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Some people have no perspective. 

GWS lost pick 15 and were fined $100k for a decision by a couple of managers, to hide a player,  in case there was a drug test, which incidentally there wasn't. 

We lost no picks and were fined $500k,  for a club sanctioned attempt,  to not do our best and thereby get pick 1, even though that was not the actual finding. Our whole club, including the Board, was behind our activity that lasted all year.  

Pick 15 is valuable to every club.

As I said on here, GWS would get a decent penalty for what happened and compared to ours, it is harsh. 

GWS have lost 1,000 draft points not pick 15.   There is nothing in the decision that states the points will be taken 'from the top' ie pick 15 or whatever.  It is still open as to whether it is a their first pick or 3 fairly useless 3rd round picks.  And you can bet if it is from the top they will trade that pick out for a handful of later picks to make up the 1,000.  If they AFL wanted to penalise their 1st round pick they would have said so.

Either way, I think that Adelaide was badly done by and were hurt by 2 years lost draft picks and their key staff suspended.  I also think Brisbane are the big losers, thru no fault of their own. 

Edited December 22, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I was wondering why I couldn't get any fresh lettuce at the supermarket. Gil obviously bought them out to ensure he could hit the AFL's favoured son with a bunch of wet ones.

The $1.7million man  shows his lack of gonads once again.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Some people have no perspective. 

GWS lost pick 15 and were fined $100k for a decision by a couple of managers, to hide a player,  in case there was a drug test, which incidentally there wasn't. 

We lost no picks and were fined $500k,  for a club sanctioned attempt,  to not do our best and thereby get pick 1, even though that was not the actual finding. Our whole club, including the Board, was behind our activity that lasted all year.  

Pick 15 is valuable to every club.

As I said on here, GWS would get a decent penalty for what happened and compared to ours, it is harsh. 

not really Red... We got done for a locker room ( type ) joke. They/someone had it in for us and we got smacked.

GWS is forfeiting very little in the manner in which their picks get utilised.  London to a brick  they get around that little hiccup. The 100K  its the AFLs money anyway. Left and right hand !! 

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

GWS have lost 1,000 draft points not pick 15.   There is nothing in the decision that states the points will be taken 'from the top' ie pick 15 or whatever.  It is still open as to whether it is a their first pick or 3 fairly useless 3rd round picks.  And you can bet if it is from the top they will trade that pick out for a handful of later picks to make up the 1,000.  If they AFL wanted to penalise their 1st round pick they would have said so.

Either way, I think that Adelaide was badly done by and were hurt by 2 years lost draft picks and their key staff suspended.  I also think Brisbane are the big losers, thru no fault of their own. 

They said on the TV news it was about pick 15.

52 minutes ago, Redleg said:

They said on the TV news it was about pick 15.

Between pick 17 and 18 to be exact!

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Points-draft-value.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiS8oPE0IfRAhVDhrwKHahVBJYQFgghMAI&usg=AFQjCNGcZ_T72ng9arJ6ofCguxE65JqRtw&sig2=Y47Ja4D9AHWmo7WATXPovA

....and the kid is gonna walk around the planet thinking everyone who looks at him is gonna say come this way please.

That will be on his plate for a while and  no one is going to like it one bit

10 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The AFL bring down their verdict: $100,000 fine and loss of 1,000 draft points.  Fairly meaning less really - the draft points could be just a couple of third round picks.  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-22/afl-hits-giants-with-massive-fine-over-whitfield-saga  and the AFL will pay the $100,000 to themselves!

Another penalty to a club for 'not doing something bad'.  They AFL have conveniently rewritten the 'bring the game into disrepute' rule.  It is now: The Giants had been formally charged in November with "conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute". 

Shame Adelaide (Kurt Tippett storm in a teacup) and us Dees (non tanking) didn't get the same leniency.

The real loser in this is Brisbane.  Collingwood can withstand the loss of Allen but Lambert is a huge loss to Brisbane, a loss they can ill afford. They were truly the innocent bystander.

Nothing new to say the AFL have their priorities all wrong!

What are you talking about? Dees for a $500k fine and no draft penalties. I'll take that over $100k and losing pick 17

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

They said on the TV news it was about pick 15.

3 fairly useless 3rd round picks??? Those draft picks are invaluable when trading season begins 

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

not really Red... We got done for a locker room ( type ) joke. They/someone had it in for us and we got smacked.

GWS is forfeiting very little in the manner in which their picks get utilised.  London to a brick  they get around that little hiccup. The 100K  its the AFLs money anyway. Left and right hand !! 

And our $500k fine wasn't the AFL's money?

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Some people have no perspective. 

GWS lost pick 15 and were fined $100k for a decision by a couple of managers, to hide a player,  in case there was a drug test, which incidentally there wasn't. 

We lost no picks and were fined $500k,  for a club sanctioned attempt,  to not do our best and thereby get pick 1, even though that was not the actual finding. Our whole club, including the Board, was behind our activity that lasted all year.  

Pick 15 is valuable to every club.

As I said on here, GWS would get a decent penalty for what happened and compared to ours, it is harsh. 

Except that we had a rolling commentary by Caro for months shaming us and questioning our very existence as a club. We got to be known as cheats and tankers and we STILL get that label all these years on. .A massive hit on a club brand ...and a big hit on our young supporter base.  .Id take what they got every day of the week....Compared to us they got next to nothing. And how do we actually KNOW that the stance by the managers wasnt a club wide approach?

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don't understand this. Either he's off the list for 2017 in which case we should be able to upgrade a rookie or he's on the list and should be able to go as a long term injury due to concussion.

The ruling that he's a terminated player and therefor we can't promote someone is ridiculous. 

 

13 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Surely that borders on bullshlt ??

Can't be right. @#$!!!!! AFL!!!! 

I did not think  that you were new to AFL, but maybe you have had concussions yourself and have lost short and long term memory.

Anyone with normal memory would not be surprised in any way that the AFL are making up rules and variations thereof on the run: it is their modus operandi  

 

But this below sums up everything that to me is wrong about H being involved in a team sport, or any team activity for that matter - he seems nearly as self focused, self centered and narcissistic as Kevin Rudd.

 

A DOCUMENTARY about Heritier Lumumba will detail his struggle for identity and controversial football career. 

The Herald Sun can reveal the former Melbourne and Collingwood premiership defender has been the subject of a 52-minute documentary called Becoming Lumumba.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/retired-afl-premiership-player-heritier-lumumba-is-the-subject-of-a-new-documentary/news-story/58ea9e4a9ef6c9cd0db19d55ba1d827e

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

Some people have no perspective. 

GWS lost pick 15 and were fined $100k for a decision by a couple of managers, to hide a player,  in case there was a drug test, which incidentally there wasn't. 

We lost no picks and were fined $500k,  for a club sanctioned attempt,  to not do our best and thereby get pick 1, even though that was not the actual finding. Our whole club, including the Board, was behind our activity that lasted all year.  

Pick 15 is valuable to every club.

As I said on here, GWS would get a decent penalty for what happened and compared to ours, it is harsh. 

You miss the point. WADAS ASADA and thereby as signatories AFL rules make hiding from a drug test as serious an offence as failing one.  AFL have chosen to ignore this. 

11 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

Between pick 17 and 18 to be exact!

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Points-draft-value.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiS8oPE0IfRAhVDhrwKHahVBJYQFgghMAI&usg=AFQjCNGcZ_T72ng9arJ6ofCguxE65JqRtw&sig2=Y47Ja4D9AHWmo7WATXPovA

Pick 17.5

14 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I was wondering why I couldn't get any fresh lettuce at the supermarket. Gil obviously bought them out to ensure he could hit the AFL's favoured son with a bunch of wet ones.

Sadly Jack that is because the AFL used up all the tram tickets on Essendrug.

 

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