Training observations

[Little Richard 6,220]

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I am a great believer that if you have been playing footy since a kid, then you 'should' know how to kick a goal, no amount of practice will replace trying to kick a goal in a game, with the tiredness, the crowd, the perceived pressure

No it won't, but practicing at training and under simulated conditions will improve your chances of kicking a goal in a real match.

And don't you think there are skills or ways of training for goal kicking that AFL players might be exposed to, that juniors weren't? 

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I am a great believer that if you have been playing footy since a kid, then you 'should' know how to kick a goal, no amount of practice will replace trying to kick a goal in a game, with the tiredness, the crowd, the perceived pressure

Completely disagree.

 

Our own Russell Robertson went from being a terrible shot for goal to being a very good shot for goal through hard work and practice.

 

For the practice to be most effective, it needs to be much more like a game situation than a few tired footballers having some fun kicking for goal at the end of training.

[Satyriconhome 10,475]

I bring up the example of Hogan, yes he has his off days, but they had a go at changing his technique last year, and he practiced and practiced and his goal kicking got worse, so has reverted to what is tried and true

Edited July 27, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I bring up the example of Hogan, yes he has his off days, but they had a go at changing his technique last year, and he practiced and practiced and his goal kicking got worse, so has reverted was is tried and true

Changing technique is a different kettle of fish

[beelzebub 23,254]

Tried and true....is that like practised ?

[Satyriconhome 10,475]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Tried and true....is that like practised ?

No that is the kicking technique he is comfortable with, hardly misses at training I watch, my point

[stuie 7,374]

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

No that is the kicking technique he is comfortable with, hardly misses at training I watch, my point

So you could call it the technique he has practised then... Gotcha.

 

Edited July 27, 2016 by stuie

[jnrmac 19,949]

5 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Our goal kicking conversion has been excellent this year (58%, which is equal best with West Coast) so I think we could be excused for last week.

I think we've only kicked more behinds than goals in the Port, Sydney, Freo and WC games.

Just imagine our win/loss ratio if we had only kicked the league average goals.. Wouldn't be pretty. It's arguable that we have have done better than we should have....

[Satyriconhome 10,475]

Just now, stuie said:

So you could call it the technique has has practised then... Gotcha.

 

Of course they practice, but my point is it doesn't help on match day, otherwise everybody would be 100%

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course they practice, but my point is it doesn't help on match day, otherwise everybody would be 100%

Seriously mate.... This is a bit silly.

 

[Little Richard 6,220]

I'm just gonna ride my scooter right out of this thread.

[beelzebub 23,254]

26 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

No that is the kicking technique he is comfortable with, hardly misses at training I watch, my point

Interesting concept. Comfortable.

Comfort often comes from familiarity, which in turn often the result of time spent after a fashion. 

Sounds a lot like practice.

[Satyriconhome 10,475]

11 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Interesting concept. Comfortable.

Comfort often comes from familiarity, which in turn often the result of time spent after a fashion. 

Sounds a lot like practice.

It is practice, but the whole tone of this topic was a couple of posters DEMANDING (a knee jerk reaction to the misses last weekend)  that the players practice and practice their goal kicking at training, they do and some do extra, my point, it is no guarantee that the result won't be the same this weekend

I had a chat to Jeff Garlett about this, he was actually practicing his set shots and taking his time in games and over thinking it, he know goes quickly through  and as you can see his set shot is now good, by just kicking it as he has been doing for years in games

Edited July 27, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It is practice, but the whole tone of this topic was a couple of posters DEMANDING (a knee jerk reaction to the misses last weekend)  that the players practice and practice their goal kicking at training, they do and some do extra, my point, it is no guarantee that the result won't be the same this weekend

I had a chat to Jeff Garlett about this, he was actually practicing his set shots and taking his time in games and over thinking it, he know goes quickly through  and as you can see his set shot is now good, by just kicking it as he has been doing for years in games

Who is DEMANDING anything?

 

without re-reading the thread I thought there was a discussion evolving about best practice at training with regards to goal kicking 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

The best golfers in the world practice for hours most days.

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

32 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course they practice, but my point is it doesn't help on match day, otherwise everybody would be 100%

Country/suburban footballers are better set shots for goal then AFL. If not the AFL players certainly aren't actually better.

every training session we'd kick goals for half hour before training started, every full ground drill involved kicking goals, there was always a dedicated goal kicking drill or two and after training everyone would head down to the 50 and take shots for another 20 - 30 minutes before showers.

in one year the league I played in had five 100 plus goal kickers.

 

Do AFL training sessions have anywhere this amount of goal kicking practise? Seriously wanna know, I've never been to a session.

[Moonshadow 17,641]

10,000 hours.

[titan_uranus 24,936]

49 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Just imagine our win/loss ratio if we had only kicked the league average goals.. Wouldn't be pretty. It's arguable that we have have done better than we should have....

Not sure this is a great argument. You're effectively saying "we're not as good as we look because we exceed the AFL average in a particular category".

Does that mean teams who excel at clearances aren't as good as they might seem because if they only came back to the pack on clearances, then they wouldn't get as much of the ball?

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

7 minutes ago, Hellfish said:

Country/suburban footballers are better set shots for goal then AFL. If not the AFL players certainly aren't actually better.

every training session we'd kick goals for half hour before training started, every full ground drill involved kicking goals, there was always a dedicated goal kicking drill or two and after training everyone would head down to the 50 and take shots for another 20 - 30 minutes before showers.

in one year the league I played in had five 100 plus goal kickers.

 

Do AFL training sessions have anywhere this amount of goal kicking practise? Seriously wanna know, I've never been to a session.

No, it sounds like your league took goal kicking much more seriously 

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

9 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

No, it sounds like your league took goal kicking much more seriously 

You don't win games by scoring less

[Ethan Tremblay 30,506]

32 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

The best golfers in the world practice for hours most days.

Why do golfers practice goal kicking?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Yeah, it's worthless practicing goal kicking.

May as well stop practicing the game plan, kicking, handballing and marking as well.  Makes little difference apparently.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,136]

Must say, I do a lot of repetitive drills.

Quite enjoyable really.

[Moonshadow 17,641]

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Must say, I do a lot of repetitive drills.

Quite enjoyable really.

Better when you use your non preferred.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,506]

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Better when you use your non preferred.

Especially if you sit on it for a while and make it numb.