MATCH PREVIEW AND TEAM SELECTION - Round 10

[Generation dee 1,336]

1 hour ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

agreed. Teams are coming into games with strategies around nullifying him. And it's working.

Yes, and this is the one rule I wish they would stop- third man up! Let the rucks ruck and go about their business. Gawny is clearly being nullified by this, as have the other pure ruckman in the league. Whilst some have moved through it, I'd like to see the third man up made illegal purely so we can just see the rucks compete. 

[DubDee 25,515]

can anyone access herald sun articles?  if so there is one up about 3 key port players not being certainties to line up tomorrow with a pciture of Trengove and Hartlett.  they would massively miss them both esp trengove

[stuie 7,374]

PORT Adelaide has flown two emergencies to Alice Springs and both will be preparing as if they are playing against the Demons.

Three Power players are under a cloud after copping knocks during last week’s fiery loss to West Coast — Jackson Trengove (ankle), Darcy Byrne-Jones (ankle) and Hamish Hartlett (corked thigh).

Ken Hinkley says all three will play but they have all been on modified programs this week.

Brendon Ah Chee and Sam Gray are the travelling emergencies.

Trengove’s injury could be particularly damaging; he has been playing as a ruckman in the absence of Paddy Ryder and Matthew Lobbe. Max Gawn will be watching with interest.

[Sir Why You Little 36,946]

12 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

You look wiser than I expected.

Bahaha Great Return 55

[binman 42,542]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

I'm gonna stick my neck out and go on record re this week's team

I think we should have switched Gawn for Spencer.  

I think this argument is quite a strong one. I had similar thoughts.

I thought that they might also rest Hunt to given him a freshen up given his youth and the the six day break.

I wonder though if they see this as a particularly critical game to win and they're putting their eggs to an extent in this basket. They have a good midfield but Gawn (even not fully fit) gives us a huge advantage given their lack of ruck options.

Games and are won and lost in the midfield and if we can win in this area i think we win the game. Also having few changes from a winning team is always helpful in terms of the chances of winning, particularly when the ins are top 10 players.   

Of course the tigers and the pies might get on a roll but at the moment the crows and Port are our direct rivals for the eighth position so beating Port is critical to our chances of making the 8, particularly given we play them again (unfortunately in Adelaide). 

As someone noted if we beat Port and the Crows get knocked of by GWS we will be in the 8 after this round. 

Edited May 27, 2016 by binman

[P-man 13,366]

3 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Usually like your posts Gonzo but that is a shocker!

Grimes has had deficiencies but it's quite possible that he's worked on these under Macca and J.Plapp and has improved - other similar players have e.g. M.Jones.  We don't know until we see him at AFL level - which I hope and expect we do.

He most definitely has a crack.

He's out of favour with Roos because he's "part of the old problem" but IMO Bugg for example who is in favour, is not a better player.  It's almost certain he'll exercise his FA status at the end of the year and someone will get a best 22 player - a fresh start will do him good.  I'm fine with that because he's been a victim of MFC incompetence.

I would've thought so too, but when I mentioned this some months ago, chookinperth (who has a good track record) said that Grimes was placed on the trade table last year with no interest shown by any club. I found that very surprising, others did not.

Surely someone will pick him up. Dylan Grimes is seen as invaluable at the Tigers. If Dylan is a vastly better player than Jack I'll go jump.

[bing181 9,193]

19 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Frost, but I never would have moved him to the forward line in the first place.

Frost is still a work in progress. Even at Casey he's not exactly setting the world on fire. Fitzpatrick mark 2? Needs more time, not really first 22 for the moment. 

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11 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Frost is still a work in progress. Even at Casey he's not exactly setting the world on fire. Fitzpatrick mark 2? Needs more time, not really first 22 for the moment. 

He's a much better player than Fitz. Better skills (still not good, but better), aggressive, can mark a football, and not completely uncoordinated! I think he will develop into a best 22 CHB

[old55 23,348]

19 minutes ago, P-man said:

I would've thought so too, but when I mentioned this some months ago, chookinperth (who has a good track record) said that Grimes was placed on the trade table last year with no interest shown by any club. I found that very surprising, others did not.

Surely someone will pick him up. Dylan Grimes is seen as invaluable at the Tigers. If Dylan is a vastly better player than Jack I'll go jump.

Yes they would have known they could get him for free this year.  There will be interest.

[P-man 13,366]

14 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Frost is still a work in progress. Even at Casey he's not exactly setting the world on fire. Fitzpatrick mark 2? Needs more time, not really first 22 for the moment. 

Geeze mate, he mght look a bit awkward hut he doesn't look Fitz levels of awkward.

He remains a decent prospect for mine, although bit more aggression wouldn't hurt. When you look like a science lab experiment you should always be intimidating the opposition.

[monoccular 17,411]

24 minutes ago, tappysquads said:

He's [Frost]  a much better player than Fitz. Better skills (still not good, but better), aggressive, can mark a football, and not completely uncoordinated! I think he will develop into a best 22 CHB

Only if his played at CHB. 

[tappysquads 618]

Just now, monoccular said:

Only if his played at CHB. 

It just makes so much sense to play him there. Real fast, tall, strong, tackles hard, and actually works hard to break lines and links up off half back (GWS and early last year). Will never be an elite kick, but his kicking is acceptable. He is 0% a forward. If we had any other option for fwd/ruck we probably wouldn't have wasted a year of his development in the back half

[Gator 17,261]

I'm not overly sentimental when it comes to (most) footballers, but I have tremendous respect and empathy for Jack Grimes.  He's stagnant on 98 games and deserves to play 100 for the MFC.  Some will look at it from a F/S point of view, but that's a distant consideration. 

He's not best 22, but the club needs to make sure he reaches this milestone.  He's not so far behind a Bugg, or a couple of others, that it would compromise our winning chances. 

It would be terribly disappointing if he left this club without his name on the locker.  He deserves it.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,129]

3 hours ago, P-man said:

I would've thought so too, but when I mentioned this some months ago, chookinperth (who has a good track record) said that Grimes was placed on the trade table last year with no interest shown by any club. I found that very surprising, others did not.

Surely someone will pick him up. Dylan Grimes is seen as invaluable at the Tigers. If Dylan is a vastly better player than Jack I'll go jump.

My brother used to play against Dylan when he was at Hurstbridge. He was OK but those at the club held Jack in such high regard saying some kids you just know are gonna make it. Dylans grown about 2 feet since then I reckon but it's amazing the fall from grace Jack has faced and I think like most things in footy, it's between the ears. The Neeld years ruined him more than most, his reaction after the 148 loss to Essendon and being put out to front the media as a kid and explain what had happened was dumbfounding. I remember his first year and one of his first games maybe even his debut against the Eagles where he just took the game on running down the middle. Now he is hesitant always second guessing himself. If he went elsewhere I'd wish him all the best, I can't imagine noone being interested at a low price.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Herald Sun reporting that trio Jackson Trengove (ankle), Hamish Hartlett (corked thigh) and Darcy Byrne-Jones (ankle) all in doubt. Sam Gray and Brendon Ah Chee are two emergencies flying up as cover.

[binman 42,542]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I'm not overly sentimental when it comes to (most) footballers, but I have tremendous respect and empathy for Jack Grimes.  He's stagnant on 98 games and deserves to play 100 for the MFC.  Some will look at it from a F/S point of view, but that's a distant consideration. 

He's not best 22, but the club needs to make sure he reaches this milestone.  He's not so far behind a Bugg, or a couple of others, that it would compromise our winning chances. 

It would be terribly disappointing if he left this club without his name on the locker.  He deserves it.

I wasn't aware how close he was to the 100 game mark. If i could like the post above twice i would. I am guilty of being overly sentimental about demon players, not just the good ones but all the the average ones as well. I still have fond memories of Spud Dullard and Garry Baker. But Grimes deserves nothing but respect for his contribution to the dees

I agree that atm he is not best 22 though if he can re-tool to be more attacking he might be. I think that is why they are trying him on the win and in the centre.

Funnily enough if he can't make it back into the dees side i reckon there are clubs where he could still make a real contribution. Unfortunately he is isn't a great kick and we don't have enough great kicks to cover him and too many poor kicks that exacerbate his poor disposal (yes i know his DE is ok but as a HB you need players whose kicking is a weapon). For example the giants have so many brilliant kicks he could slot in and provide smarts and not be exposed.

Edited May 27, 2016 by binman

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[Adam The God 30,105]

On 5/26/2016 at 10:40 PM, Deespicable said:

I just hope that people realise that we have taken a few huge gambles by going so small at selection again.

Last week we decided to go small, except for our defence, and thankfully against a young side like Brisbane with inexperienced tall forwards it did not come back to bite us.

This week we stayed loyal to this small side - Michie being omitted because presumably they felt there was no clear match-up - Neade and Impey being small but quick livewires and probably more easily matched by Hunt and Kennedy.

But to go with so much youth and a small forward line again is either courageous or stupid and we will find out on Saturday.

If conditions are good then Dawes should be playing - apart from Jones, he is the most experienced player on our list and we have decided to bank on no injuries to our talls - god help us if Gawn goes down. 

Then there's the decision to play Newton again ahead of Grimes. If ever there is a player who has been hard done by, it's Grimes.

He was pushed out early last year and came back and played decent football - yes I know he's not a thumping kick or huge mark or mega quick, but he's bloody fit (second to only T-Mac pre-season time trials, he's been playing huge games in the VFL and he's been 23rd man on three occasions and then had to watch as that honour amounts to nothing, whereas all other 23rd men have eventually got games.

Last year he was generally told to play left side half-back because we had no decent left footers once Salem was out and he coped - sure he wasn't a star, but he was serviceable.

This year he's been told that he has to go to the wing and he's proved he can be a reliable linkman. He was useful pre-season in that role, scored the odd goal (unlike Matt Jones) and then he's had to watch on as virtually every possible midfielder other than Jack Trengove has got a shot before him.

I get that Paul Roos doesn't rate him that highly, but to treat him like this is disgraceful. He is a senior player who plays the percentages and does team things. He creates space and he's selfless. I get that we want speed, but please don't try and tell me that Newton or Michie or Neal-Bullen add speed. They don't. They have their own strengths but speed isn't one of them.

Thankfully Port are at a lowpoint at the moment and, as with Brisbane, our confidence and intensity around the stoppages may be enough to get us across the line.

But you can't buy experience and Hawthorn, the tall Pies and Sydney are just ahead. Let's see if our youth can buy us a win.

Grimes has had ample time and he's consistently proven he's not good enough. His cards are marked. Don't have a go at Roos, he's making this club better. Grimes has been a good trier, a good off field leader, but that's pretty much where it stops.

Your post reads like we owe Grimes something. We don't. This isn't a charity. We've paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars across an injury-riddled career and now that the list is AFL standard, we're looking to strengthen it further. No use playing a list clogger when we could be developing Hunt, Stretch, ANB etc. 

And if you think it's all Roos, think about who's taking over the reigns next year. Goodwin clearly isn't a fan either.

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[Adam The God 30,105]

With all this positive press in the past few days, I cannot remember the last time we backed up positive press with a win. Then again, we haven't won too often in the recent past, so that probably explains a bit.

14 hours ago, poita said:

It is just plain dumb not to go in with a tall on the bench. God forbid if Gawn gets injured in the first quarter. Then what do we do? Watts in the ruck, spelled by Hogan? I can see that ending well for all concerned. Port have gone taller and we should have too.

I actually think that might play to our advantage. Hopefully we'll run them off their feet.

[Adam The God 30,105]

11 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Usually like your posts Gonzo but that is a shocker!

Grimes has had deficiencies but it's quite possible that he's worked on these under Macca and J.Plapp and has improved - other similar players have e.g. M.Jones.  We don't know until we see him at AFL level - which I hope and expect we do.

He most definitely has a crack.

He's out of favour with Roos because he's "part of the old problem" but IMO Bugg for example who is in favour, is not a better player.  It's almost certain he'll exercise his FA status at the end of the year and someone will get a best 22 player - a fresh start will do him good.  I'm fine with that because he's been a victim of MFC incompetence.

I'm a fan of your posts too, Fifty, but I'm not sure about some of this.

I'm not Bugg's biggest fan. He is a limited player, but he's so much better than Grimes that I can't begin to see where you're pulling this from. Is it sentimentality? I can empathise in some respects, but you've got to remember some of these players were apart of the worst VFL/AFL side to ever play the game in 2013. Now I'm not saying that's Grimes' fault, but on what planet is Jack Grimes a better player than Bugg?

And IMO Grimes is not a victim of MFC incompetence. He was wildly overrated on here for years, despite horrendous decision making and poor disposal and was always just a limited player. Compare this with Bugg, who knows how to find the footy and although his kicking is a definite weakness, doesn't have the glaring deficiencies that Grimes has.

It's a bit like the Colin Sylvia 'he just needs a big pre season' line. We always seem to find an excuse or a reason to blame for a players' failure to thrive, but what if they had met their ceiling years ago?

Edited May 27, 2016 by AdamFarr

[DeeZone 9,622]

I thought that there may be a couple more changes But we have to trust our Coaching Group, Roosy has made a point of saying that they are managing the work loads of all players and the young ones in particular. I am enjoying going to the Footy again, let's hope we turn up to play and stay with it for the four quarters. - Go Dee's

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12 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grimes is an average AFL player who got the most out of his ability

Vastly over rated around here

Giving him the 31 Jumper was just not fair. The Captaincy...I was and still am lost for words. 

Becoming a vegetarian i don't think would have helped either. 

Becoming vegetarian has nothing to do with it. The science and knowledge has moved way beyond this myth.  You do not have to eat meat to be strong or have energy or whatever else you think eating meat gives you. Eating a balanced vegetarian diet ( not vegan) is far healthier and better for digestive purposes and cardiovascular health.  All risk factors decrease, and it is good for the environment , not to mention the cruelty of killing living creatures. A balanced vegetarian diet does not decrease energy levels.

[hemingway 7,615]

12 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grimes is an average AFL player who got the most out of his ability

Vastly over rated around here

Giving him the 31 Jumper was just not fair. The Captaincy...I was and still am lost for words. 

Becoming a vegetarian i don't think would have helped either. 

Becoming vegetarian has nothing to do with it. The science and knowledge has moved way beyond this myth.  You do not have to eat meat to be strong or have energy or whatever else you think eating meat gives you. Eating a balanced vegetarian diet ( not vegan) is far healthier and better for digestive purposes and cardiovascular health.  All risk factors decrease, and it is good for the environment , not to mention the cruelty of killing living creatures. A balanced vegetarian diet does not decrease energy levels.

[SaberFang 7,151]

I'd rather Port played 3 key players under an injury cloud and underdone, than drop them for other players.