Changes vs Port

[monoccular 16,509]

18 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

If we win next week we could be one game clear in the 8!!

Just getting a little ahead of ourselves   

18 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Alice/Darwin...

We are playing some where bloody hot and humid.

Need runners.

Check your facts G......21 Max next Saturday.  A fabulous winter climate, though the nights are colder than we get at home. 

[Fat Tony 4,552]

14 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm not so sure. 

Spencer wouldn't be able to ruck the whole game on his own, especially in the humidity of Darwin. He has only played a couple of games in the VFL.

This would be strictly a strategic move based on the potential outs for Port and the fact that they're playing their best KP defender as a make-shift ruckman.

Spencer is pretty useless around the ground but if Gawn and him play a 50/50 split of ruck/forward time then it'd make it awkward for Port to match-up on them when forward. Spencer less so but Gawn would be a huge concern for them if he played half the game forward.

Especially if our mids get on top which they should.

 

The game is in Alice Springs. 

Playing two rucks always looks good on paper. And then on game day, the lack of pressure on the ball becomes obvious.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

23 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Ports game is built on their rebound from half back...stop that and you stop them. Pressure from our forwards is crucial this week.

Jonas will be a big out for them but I still wouldn't want to go in too tall in our forward line.

To my mind it would be a bad move to carry 2 rucks in this game but then again it might be the once in a blue moon game...I doubt it though.

There are multiple ways of stopping that. Pressure from our forwards as you say. But also smarter entry going forward.

The only reason we'd 'look too tall' is if we are kicking it on the heads of our forwards rather than to the advantage of.

North Melbourne have the tallest forward-line going around and seem to be going okay. West Coast the same.

It's about the quality of ball coming in as much as anything. If it's poor, then yes their runners will bring it straight out and it'll be problematic.

The message I'm pushing is that the inclusion of Spencer to the side would mean they'd likely have to change their current set-up of talls. Which could work to our favour if we capitalize through the midfield.

It's clear Hogan is more difficult to match up on when roaming further up the field. He is too easily double teamed when he plays from the goal-square.

Gawn sitting at FF would be a nightmare for them and it'd also allow Watts to get off the leash and hit the scoreboard.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[ManDee 7,093]

21 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm not so sure. 

Spencer wouldn't be able to ruck the whole game on his own, especially in the humidity of Darwin. He has only played a couple of games in the VFL.

This would be strictly a strategic move based on the potential outs for Port and the fact that they're playing their best KP defender as a make-shift ruckman.

Spencer is pretty useless around the ground but if Gawn and him play a 50/50 split of ruck/forward time then it'd make it awkward for Port to match-up on them when forward. Spencer less so but Gawn would be a huge concern for them if he played half the game forward.

Especially if our mids get on top which they should.

 

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Alice Spings 23deg on Sat moderate humidity . ALICE SPRINGS read the thread or the fixture FCS

 

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[Gorgoroth 12,369]

8 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Just getting a little ahead of ourselves   

Check your facts G......21 Max next Saturday.  A fabulous winter climate, though the nights are colder than we get at home. 

Yeah only been pointed out 5 times already ?

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, ManDee said:

Melbourne vs Port Adelaide AFL | Northern Territory, Australia

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MFC vs Port Adelaide, Alice Springs - Saturday May 28 Watch the AFL match between MelbourneFootball Club and Port Adelaide at the Round 10 game at TIO ...

 

Alice Spings 21deg on Sat moderate humidity . ALICE SPRINGS read the thread or the fixture FCS

Just being a touch pedantic, aren't we?

[Fat Tony 4,552]

2 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

There are multiple ways of stopping that. Pressure from our forwards as you say. But also smarter entry going forward.

The only reason we'd 'look too tall' is if we are kicking it on the heads of our forwards rather than to the advantage of.

North Melbourne have the tallest forward-line going around and seem to be going okay. West Coast the same.

It's about the quality of ball coming in as much as anything. If it's poor, then yes they're runners will bring it straight out and it'll be problematic.

The message I'm pushing is that the inclusion of Spencer to the side would mean they'd likely have to change their current set-up of talls. Which could work to our favour if we capitalize through the midfield.

It's clear Hogan is more difficult to match up on when roaming further up the field. He is too easily double teamed when he plays from the goal-square.

Gawn sitting at FF would be a nightmare for them and it'd also allow Watts to get off the leash and hit the scoreboard.

 

 

It works for NM because Waite and Petrie are both good at applying pressure. Our forward line includes Watts and Hogan, who are both below average.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-18/the-stats-files-which-key-forward-does-it-all

[ManDee 7,093]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Just being a touch pedantic, aren't we?

Is there another kind? But seriously multiple posters complaining about the heat and humidity in Darwin!  Its hot in Ho Chi Minh city too, so what, we  are playing in Alice Spings!

[AzzKikA 2,371]

I do not know if bringing Spencer in will work or not but as soon as i heard the idea, and thinking about Max's form, i thought this was a great solution.

Disclaimer: I am no coach and I do not claim to be an expert.

Edited May 23, 2016 by AzzKikA

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

27 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

It works for NM because Waite and Petrie are both good at applying pressure. Our forward line includes Watts and Hogan, who are both below average.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-18/the-stats-files-which-key-forward-does-it-all

How about for Sydney, Geelong and West Coast?

Whether or not it would work would come down to more than two key forwards being able to apply 'good pressure' off the ball, but of course pressure off the ball from all players helps.

Let's see what transpires.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[old dee 23,109]

33 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Yeah only been pointed out 5 times already ?

AS my father told me a long time ago G

If you lead with your chin you can guarantee some one will hit you there.

 

[old dee 23,109]

30 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

I do not know if bringing Spencer in will work or not but as soon as i heard the idea, and thinking about Max's form, i thought this was a great solution.

Disclaimer: I am no coach and I do not claim to be an expert.

That definitely puts you in the minority here Azzkika

[Fat Tony 4,552]

5 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

How about for Sydney, Geelong and West Coast?

Whether or not it would work would come down to more than two key forwards being able to apply 'good pressure' off the ball, but of course pressure off the ball from all players helps.

Let's see what transpires.

 

 

We are the third highest scoring side in the comp. Why would we want to mess with the balance of the forward line?

If Gawn needs a rest (which I think he does) he should be rested.

[Gorgoroth 12,369]

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

AS my father told me a long time ago G

If you lead with your chin you can guarantee some one will hit you there.

 

I'm coping more hits than a you tube vid of scarlett Johansson with hey clothes off.

[Macca 16,174]

So many factors go into picking a team on a week to week basis (these days) ...

• The 'rest' factor (especially with the younger players)
• Getting game time into the inexperienced players
• Needing more experienced players against certain teams.
• Do we work best with a tall forward line and/or a tall backline (as per the opposition team match-ups)
• With the zone that we're employing, do certain players suit more than others.
• Do we play a straight tagger if needed (Bugg can play that role but always?)
• Some in form decent player might miss out simply because we can't find a role for him or there simply isn't a spot.
• Selection based on targeting winnable games whilst experimenting in the tougher games (or vice-versa)
• Breeding confidence by giving certain players a block of games
• Making sure the team picked will gel together (same for the teams within the team - backline, forward line etc)
• Getting the structures right as per the opposition.
• Being more cautious with injuries and concussions
• Form (whether that form (or lack of form) is being displayed in the seniors or the reserves)
• Injuries or "the mystery illness/injury of the week"
• And there is often a selection based on a bit of x-factor

As much as some players will miss out from time to time or for a time, they will all get their chance if their form warrants it ... and sometimes a player will get opportunities just to see how they might go or how they might fit in - the match committee occasionally promoting players on spec is something that most or many MC's will do.

So, it's harder than it's ever been to pick a team from week to week (for us onlookers) ...

I've got Tyson & Jetta in as the only absolutes but we might make up to 5 changes (from a team that won by 63 points) ... as for who goes out, I'll defer to the above criteria

 

Footnote:  years ago the odd 'enforcer' or 2 would warrant selection.

 

[Whispering_Jack 28,096]

Paul Roos was quoted in the Herald Sun as suggesting he was confident of "putting three or four guys in and leaving three or four out". That thinking would be based on the fact that a few were left out of last week's team who could easily come in after a six day break and presumably also to assist with load issues following the interstate trip to Alice Springs.We've never handled the situation well in the past and it's good to see that we're in a position at last to make some adjustments of this sort.

I'm looking forward to team selection in the next couple of weeks.

[old dee 23,109]

7 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Paul Roos was quoted in the Herald Sun as suggesting he was confident of "putting three or four guys in and leaving three or four out". That thinking would be based on the fact that a few were left out of last week's team who could easily come in after a six day break and presumably also to assist with load issues following the interstate trip to Alice Springs.We've never handled the situation well in the past and it's good to see that we're in a position at last to make some adjustments of this sort.

I'm looking forward to team selection in the next couple of weeks.

If you are dropped for a rest this week WJ you really get a rest as there is no Casey game.

That might play in Trengove's favour.

If  we do not play him this week he does get another game to show his wears again till 4th June.

To be honest It would not worry me after two years off what is another two weeks?

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

21 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Paul Roos was quoted in the Herald Sun as suggesting he was confident of "putting three or four guys in and leaving three or four out". That thinking would be based on the fact that a few were left out of last week's team who could easily come in after a six day break and presumably also to assist with load issues following the interstate trip to Alice Springs.We've never handled the situation well in the past and it's good to see that we're in a position at last to make some adjustments of this sort.

I'm looking forward to team selection in the next couple of weeks.

Would love to beat Port.

always seem to beat them in the pre-season but when it comes to the real thing we only come close.

Edited May 23, 2016 by The Song Formerly Known As

[old dee 23,109]

3 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

Would love to beat Port.

always seem to beat them in the pre-season but when it comes to the result thing we only come close.

Not this year Song the only thing in doubt is the size of the win.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Gray the dirty tripper has been cleared.

Of [censored] course he has:

 

"The match day report laid against Port Adelaide’s Robbie Gray for tripping West Coast’s Mark LeCras during the third quarter was assessed. It was the view of the panel the force used was below that required for a report. No further action was taken. "

[ManDee 7,093]

6 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

Gray the dirty tripper has been cleared.

Of [censored] course he has:

 

"The match day report laid against Port Adelaide’s Robbie Gray for tripping West Coast’s Mark LeCras during the third quarter was assessed. It was the view of the panel the force used was below that required for a report. No further action was taken. "

So a gentle trip is OK? FMD hypocritical bastards.

 

Edit:-  19.2.2 Specific Offences Any of the following types of conduct is a Reportable Offence: (a) intentionally or carelessly; (i) striking another person; (ii) kicking another person; (iii) kneeing another person; (iv) stomping on another person; (v) Charging another person; (vi) engaging in rough conduct against an opponent which in the circumstances is unreasonable; (vii) bumping or making forceful contact to an opponent from front-on when that Player has their head down over the football; (viii) head-butting an opponent or making contact to an opponent using the head; (ix) eye-gouging an opponent or making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the eye region of an opponent; (x) making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of an opponent; (xi) making unreasonable or unnecessary contact with an injured Player; (xii) scratching another person; or (xiii) tripping another person whether by hand, arm, foot or leg;

Except if the force was low enough to are err I dunno make up another exception on the run....arr errr...who are they playing arrr errr.....

 

http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/2016%20Laws%20of%20Australian%20Football.pdf

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by ManDee

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

So a gentle trip is OK? FMD hypocritical bastards.

Wasn't much in it and looked to be above the knee. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,028]

Port appear to have conceded the ruck, as they have a genuine back-up ruckman but aren't naming him. They're roving to the opposition ruckmen, and doing it pretty well based on hit-outs and clearances from the West Coast game. I think there's definitely an argument to play Spencer and make sure there is domination in the ruck, and change our setup slightly to give our rucks the option of just smashing the ball forward (I'm going to call it the reverse diamond ). At least start the game like that to put doubt in their minds. The other thing it does, if they're both smashing into Trengove (especially Spence) it will make him less effective around the ground.

The extra ruck resting forward might force them into moving Westhoff back as well.

Jetta stops Wingard, Bugg gets into Gray, can TMac handle Dixon??????

[Gorgoroth 12,369]

Def trip. The leg comes right out.

If this was only the second fine he would have got one.  But the fact it would have been the third and a suspension means they let him off. 

[ManDee 7,093]

5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Wasn't much in it and looked to be above the knee. 

Read the rule, no mention of gentle trips being OK.

 

Edit:- The point is not how gentle it was, the point is did he trip him or not? If he tripped him it is a reportable offence.

Edited May 23, 2016 by ManDee