Changes v Collingwood

[DeeSpencer 26,296]

29 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

Nah, it's just that we've seen what he brings to the table at seniors level, a one paced accumulator, who always seems rushed. I'm not sure he'll ever be much more than depth, especially now we've seen how explosive Oliver is.

ANB not getting a game has nothing to do with his draft position. 

But I think your comment does. 

If we can develop his skills, poise and tackling I think he could be the perfect foil to the likes of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw etc. All explosive players who need to build their fitness bases. ANB could use his endurance and determination to compliment them. West Coast had a similar set up with Rowan Jones, who was Chris Judd's most trusted team mate and his defensive work covered for Judd, Cousins and Kerr. 

[Pitchy 196]

38 minutes ago, leucopogon said:

Nah, it's just that we've seen what he brings to the table at seniors level, a one paced accumulator, who always seems rushed. I'm not sure he'll ever be much more than depth, especially now we've seen how explosive Oliver is.

A bit harsh there. It was his first year and he showed a lot, especially with nous near goal. Bagged a match winning 3 goals early on? One-paced is fine criticism if he is in his 5th year but he is young and developing apace. 

 

 

 

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

On April 10, 2016 at 9:39 AM, big_red_fire_engine said:

In: Garlett, Brayshaw

Out: Vandenberg, Bugg

 

Bankers trimmed a lot of weight off in the preseason and I think he's a lesser player for it. He's gone away from the bullock ing style he played with last year

[Pitchy 196]

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

ANB not getting a game has nothing to do with his draft position. 

But I think your comment does. 

If we can develop his skills, poise and tackling I think he could be the perfect foil to the likes of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw etc. All explosive players who need to build their fitness bases. ANB could use his endurance and determination to compliment them. West Coast had a similar set up with Rowan Jones, who was Chris Judd's most trusted team mate and his defensive work covered for Judd, Cousins and Kerr. 

 

Agree that he is not the foundation stone of future midfield hopes but it would be great if he could come on like an Andrew Leoncelli and play a solid complimentary role like you say.

Like all youngsters, his poise, skill and tackling will develop with time. But I do think he is already a better ball user than many in the seniors. Despite the best of endeavour, the wind in Tassie masked our poor ball use. Matt Jones, Harmes, Stretch and Bugg were simply not showing enough with ball in hand to justify their place ahead of an in form ANB. 

 

IN: Brayshaw, Garlett, ANB

OUT: Vince, Harmes, Stretch

 

[What 18,810]

When ANB comes into the team he wont come out again.   Yes thats a big statement but I feel very good about this kid and think he will have  Steven Febey like career at the MFC

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

On April 10, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Deeoldfart said:

Frost or Pedders ....... that's a major dilemma for me.  They both bring totally different things to the table (crockery & cutlery) but we desperately need the full setting.  It's pointless chopping and changing them week about, so I'd probably keep the faith with Frost.  He is more the 'future' than Pedersen, and hopefully playing forward and back-up ruck will 'click' for him soon.

Will Vince earn a holiday(?) ..... and if he does, will he be replaced by ANB or Brayshaw? .... another dilemma!  

Jeffie should be an automatic inclusion if he's fit so Bugg or Vanders might have to give way.  Down to likely match-ups I guess, but I'd prefer to give Vanders another week, because we know what he can do.

Frost isn't a forward's Ars*hole. Play him as a backman or at Casey.

[jayceebee31 768]

4 minutes ago, Pitchy said:

 

Agree that he is not the foundation stone of future midfield hopes but it would be great if he could come on like an Andrew Leoncelli and play a solid complimentary role like you say.

Like all youngsters, his poise, skill and tackling will develop with time. But I do think he is already a better ball user than many in the seniors. Despite the best of endeavour, the wind in Tassie masked our poor ball use. Matt Jones, Harmes, Stretch and Bugg were simply not showing enough with ball in hand to justify their place ahead of an in form ANB. 

 

IN: Brayshaw, Garlett, ANB

OUT: Vince, Harmes, Stretch

 

IN: Brayshaw , Gartlett, ANB

OUT: Vince,Bugg,Harmes

 

 

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

On April 10, 2016 at 2:17 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Please can we stop with the 'Frost adds forward pressure [censored]' The bloke can't lay a tackle to save himself. Its literally like playing with 21 blokes with him in the side because he adds nothing up forward.

Drop for Pedo. At least with Pedo he can take a decent grab and create a contest.

Garlett for Bugg would be my pick.

 

Frost is Hogans closest mate at the club. Look forward to hearing he's been offered a 5 year extension at the end of the season.

Can run but offers sfa and may as well be running the tan while the games on

Edited April 11, 2016 by Munga

[Pitchy 196]

3 minutes ago, Munga said:

Frost is Hogans closest mate at the club. Look forward to hearing he's been offered a 5 year extension at the end of the season.

offers sfa

Frost is a natural attacking defender. Tall, strong and lightning fast. If we lose sight of his real strengths and relegate him to VFL as a failed forward it would be a huge shame. I know H was explosive on the weekend, but he is too small to play on the taller breed of forward. Frost is a defensive weapon we must deploy sooner rather than later. 

 

 

 

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

2 minutes ago, Pitchy said:

Frost is a natural attacking defender. Tall, strong and lightning fast. If we lose sight of his real strengths and relegate him to VFL as a failed forward it would be a huge shame. I know H was explosive on the weekend, but he is too small to play on the taller breed of forward. Frost is a defensive weapon we must deploy sooner rather than later. 

 

 

 

Exactly, backman or Casey for mine. 

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

I don't agree lumba offers anything to the side. With ball in hand he's as erratic as a crack head in a drug bust

[Pitchy 196]

1 minute ago, Munga said:

I don't agree lumba offers anything to the side. With ball in hand he's as erratic as a crack head in a drug bust

I agree actually, I sort of meant 'explosive' as a veiled pejorative. He did some good things on the weekend though. Gee your profile picture is off-putting. Not trying to be mean if it is actually a photo of you. Your best photo? Sorry if so.

[H_T 3,049]

8 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Not sure we need Dunn and both McDonald's against Collingwood..

Who do you see him playing on if he was to come in?

 

If he was to come in, I would imagine Oscar would match up on a Goldsack when forward or maybe a Howe. Leaving Dunn and Tom to take Cloke and Moore. 

He he could also spend minutes on Moore if need be. 

Lumumba could go to Howe, but it depends what Buckley does with Howe. 

I'm interested to see who goes to Howe.

 

[H_T 3,049]

35 minutes ago, jayceebee31 said:

IN: Brayshaw , Gartlett, ANB

OUT: Vince,Bugg,Harmes

 

 

Can't see them dropping Harmes at all this week.

[What 18,810]

A reminder we rolled the bastards in Round 18 last year when they still had hopes of making the 8.  Vince ran rings around Pendlebury.

 

 

[thevil1 421]

H will slaughter Howe if they go that way.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

1 hour ago, Pitchy said:

I agree actually, I sort of meant 'explosive' as a veiled pejorative. He did some good things on the weekend though. Gee your profile picture is off-putting. Not trying to be mean if it is actually a photo of you. Your best photo? Sorry if so.

That's fine, Pitchy , I get it all the time. It's an old photo

Edited April 11, 2016 by Munga

[RalphiusMaximus 6,103]

I honestly don't see that many changes.  Garlett in for Vince is the obvious, but we played really well so why would they change things they don't have to? 

[grazman 7,512]

11 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

The latter, grazman.

Sorry.... my bad. It's a little hard to tell around here sometimes.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,016]

9 hours ago, olisik said:

Can't beleive people are suggesting dropping Dunn.

 

seriously look at the impact Petrie and Brown had last week compared to the impact Daniher had the week before.

 

He is our backline general

I get it that you love Dunn, but given the opposition kicked 136 points last Sunday, this is probably not the best timing for this particular argument.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

On 10/04/2016 at 7:05 PM, jumbo returns said:

Out: Watts

Cost us the game.

Watts basically kicked three of our first four goals (if you include the hands to hogan), which led to us turning around a 42 point deficit. He was the catalyst, dragged us back into the game, and you want to drop him?? Wow, glad your not picking the team.

[rjay 25,306]

10 hours ago, Pitchy said:

ANB suffering from low draft position bias? He is dominating at the level below and hasn't been thrown in. If he was a number 3 draft pick (ie. Petracca) getting 36 touches and 2 goals we would be beside ourselves demanding inclusion.

ANB is not getting a game because of interrupted (injury) pre season bias. He didn't play any NAB games and needed a couple of games at Casey to get his match fitness up to scratch...seems to be doing a good job of it.

 

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

Ins: Garlett - Brayshaw

Outs: Vince - Bugg

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FB: Jetta - Dunn - Wagner

HB: H - MCD - Salem

C: M.Jones - N.Jones - Brayshaw

HF: Watts - Hogan - Kent

FF: Kennedy - Frost - Garlett

R: Gawn - Viney - Tyson

I: Oliver - Harmes - Stretch - VDB

 

Matchups:

Fasolo - Jetta

Cloke - Dunn

Moore - McD

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

On 4/11/2016 at 9:54 AM, GawnWithTheWind said:

Ins: Garlett - Brayshaw

Outs: Vince - Bugg

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FB: Jetta - Dunn - Wagner

HB: H - MCD - Salem

C: M.Jones - N.Jones - Brayshaw

HF: Watts - Hogan - Kent

FF: Kennedy - Frost - Garlett

R: Gawn - Viney - Tyson

I: Oliver - Harmes - Stretch - VDB

 

Matchups:

Fasolo - Jetta

Cloke - Dunn

Moore - McD

Not sure why this section is included on a lot of posts, we seem far more into guarding space then players these days and matchups normally rotate quite a lot through the games, i'm sure all of those names listed will spend time on basically all of Collingwoods forwards. 

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

1 minute ago, Peter Griffen said:

Not sure why this section is included on a lot of posts, we seem far more into guarding space then players these days and matchups normally rotate quite a lot through the games, i'm sure all of those names listed will spend time on basically all of Collingwoods forwards. 

Due to the forward press, they do lose their direct opponent, correct.

However, they still have a direct opponent who, when possible, they will go to. For example, stoppages, center bounces, when they have time to re-adjust matchups. Your kidding yourself if you think Jetta and Dunn stand next to each other, Jets on Cloke and Dunn on Fas, and say "yeh keep it like this"

Hence putting the match ups in.