On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

No probs! Invite them down, make them stand in the quadrangle, then get all the kids to scream out in unison Nya, Nya you dirty drug cheats!

 

 

I'm no legal expert but I think there is the potential for a possible liquidation of the Essendon FC based purely on the legal cases afloat at the moment.

As for what will be in the future, it is very grim, with a myriad of potential bank breakers from players alone. Essendon F.C. is finished.

In turn from supporters point of view, nothing short of a total cleanout even as it is now should suffice with quite possibly a new name.

Like, The Dons Football Club or The Royal Agricultural Society F.C.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

time for a sicky?

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

I thought the AFL told the banned players they should steer clear of schools? I think that was about 2 weeks before they started training at some school in Essendon.

If it's current players I reckon go for it.

If it's banned players I reckon have a good conversation about ethics with the class. Or maybe call the AFL or another club and see if they can send some CLEAN footballers.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:49, Choke said:

I thought the AFL told the banned players they should steer clear of schools? I think that was about 2 weeks before they started training at some school in Essendon.

If it's current players I reckon go for it.

If it's banned players I reckon have a good conversation about ethics with the class. Or maybe call the AFL or another club and see if they can send some CLEAN footballers.

Yeah itd be current, clean players who are currently representing the club that ran the grossest team doping in the history of sport.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

  On 21/03/2016 at 23:37, hemingway said:

Essendon are embarking on a campaign of weedling their way back into the affections of the general populace by imposing themselves on young and vulnerable schoolchildren who doubtless would worship a footy player regardless. The moral turpitude which surrounds this club should preclude them from any contact with impressionable schoolchidren.

Your role is to object to their visit in the strongest possible terms. You are "in loco parentis" Do your job man!!

I would want you to stand up and object if I was a parent of your charges !!

 

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

Approach another AFL club and say "I've got this opportunity but I would prefer it if YOUR players came instead ..."

One of them might bite.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:53, biggestred said:

Yeah itd be current, clean players who are currently representing the club that ran the grossest team doping in the history of sport.

according to hird there are a couple of dirty players who didn't tell the truth to asada still playing at essendon

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

Sounds like you have been set up.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:47, willmoy said:

I'm no legal expert but I think there is the potential for a possible liquidation of the Essendon FC based purely on the legal cases afloat at the moment.

As for what will be in the future, it is very grim, with a myriad of potential bank breakers from players alone. Essendon F.C. is finished.

In turn from supporters point of view, nothing short of a total cleanout even as it is now should suffice with quite possibly a new name.

Like, The Dons Football Club or The Royal Agricultural Society F.C.

Speaking of banks, the bank of the AFL will keep them afloat.

I don't understand why the AFL, in their zeal to rehabilitate EFC so it can mix in polite society, has not insisted (ie forced) that everyone who was there at the time, in any off field capacity, is replaced.

Purge first, then clean and rebuild. On the other hand, I am enjoying the many faceted never ending story.

  On 21/03/2016 at 23:37, hemingway said:

 

Ted your so right and Bub, I think Heppell is not only a pawn in the game but just can't admit to the ugly truth. It's no different from any drug cheat. The strong ones with moral strength can come out and say, yes, I did it, but as we know, there are many more who do not have the moral or psychological strength to come out and admit their wrongdoing.  I think most of the players are only now waking up to the truth and the impact that EFC disgraceful conduct is having on them personally.  My anger comes in waves. 4 corners has awakened my anger towards the EFC and its sheer dishonesty in its dealings together with its total ambivalence to what it was doing and the potential catastrophic health impact on the players. Those who orchestrated the program to those who were in the know stand condemned for ever and a day.  My anger over the injection regime has grown as I have seen the way the club has dealt with it. It's cover up, it's refusal to do the right thing by its players, it's supporters, and by the game. It's telling all the mums and dads out there together with the young boys out there who dream of playing AFL footy that it is okay to take drugs, to cheat, and if caught, to blame others and todeny all wrongdoing. More and more the Presidency of Little, yes, he was a little man in terms of moral rectitude and standards, looks to be a disaster. May the club well rue the day, that David Evans stepped away from his role in the club. But for all those people in the know who stood by and did nothing through misguided loyalty, mate-ship, fear, personal and financial loss, they will forever remain condemned. It is no different in moral terms to the worst atrocities in modern history including this country's actions towards refugees. If people through misguided loyalty or indifference do nothing, we all stand condemned. If MFC ever did what the EFC did, I would walk away from the MFC for ever. Some things cannot be traded or reconciled. The AFLs management if this issue should also be condemned by its total failure to set a clear and unambiguous standard for the future of the game. The silence from all the clubs including our own has also been disappointing to say the least.  Rant over.

Your argument was going well, until you included this rant. "worst atrocities in modern history"?

 

Wow.

 

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:10, iv'a worn smith said:

Interesting interview on SEN yesterday afternoon on the Run Home, with sports Lawyer Justin Quill.  Quill is of the belief that most players affected by this saga have a very valid negligence claim against Essendon.  He went on to say that if he were in Essendon's shoes, he could be going to their insurer to find out the best way to settle.  

Whether anybody believes these guys are cheats or not, the potential litigation fall out from this is massive.  What is not often canvassed throughout this saga - but Quill did yesterday - is the AFL is bending over backwards to help Essendon survive and according to Quill, the AFL are also leaving themselves legally vulnerable.

Unfortunately, there is a long way to go, before this sorry mess is over.

Wouldn't you hate to be there insurer at this point? I wonder if insurance premiums will go up because of the cost of this?

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

Simple, cancel that session and invite some Demon players instead! 

EFC clean players are still no-names whereas we have:  Watts, Brayshaw, Viney, Hogan, Salem - all young guys going places.

  On 21/03/2016 at 22:49, Ted Fidge said:

Cognitive dissonance in action.He's struggling to reconcile that the club did something to him, something bad, but he loves the club and knows it wouldn't do anything bad.

At some stage (and it may take a long time ... years) he will work out that the club has betrayed him.

I guess there is the appeal so he's sticking to the "not guilty" line while that is in progress.

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

One of those moral dilemmas I would have thought.

i would suggest they are more than welcome as long as they are current Essendon player, not the 34. That I think will make the point without bein confrontational.

And another one... "It wasn't me"

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/boxing/australias-first-world-heavyweight-champion-boxer-lucas-browne-fails-drug-test-20160321-gnnwm5.html

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:31, biggestred said:

So ive just been presented with the mother of all moral dilemmas.

Im a primary teacher in an extremely low socio economic area.

I hate the drug cheats with a passion and literally dont understand why they are still in the comp.

 

But today ive been given the opportunity to organise some essendon players to visit my school. The kids will get a massive kick out of it and probably learn more than a few things about hard work etc 

BUT they are drug cheats ffs

Organise to get some Melbourne players instead !! 

Explain to the club...they might jump at it ..

  On 22/03/2016 at 02:59, faultydet said:

Your argument was going well, until you included this rant. "worst atrocities in modern history"?

 

Wow.

 

Agreed, just a little over the top, a case of anger imposing itself over rational argument.

IMO the cheating part has paled into insignificance when you look at what the future consequences may be.

The AFL's 'naughty boy' treatment of EFC would be laughable if it wasn't so seriously weak.  

  On 22/03/2016 at 04:30, GM11 said:

IMO the cheating part has paled into insignificance when you look at what the future consequences may be.

The AFL's 'naughty boy' treatment of EFC would be laughable if it wasn't so seriously weak.  

Made all the worse to me  by how "seriously" the AFL and media came at us over tanking. Which was by then a common practice. 

My question is whether Heppell can sue Essendon if he knows what he took, is comfortable with that and he willingly took it?

  On 22/03/2016 at 06:15, Sydney Pennski said:

My question is whether Heppell can sue Essendon if he knows what he took, is comfortable with that and he willingly took it?

To add to this, he also signed a waiver.

  On 22/03/2016 at 04:09, hemingway said:

Agreed, just a little over the top, a case of anger imposing itself over rational argument.

Ernest a long time ago my father told me never act in anger. I have seen nothing in the interim to suggest he was wrong.

I still can't get over Heppel's statement on 360 last night that those who call them drug cheats are "uneducated on the situation". Does that mean he is "educated" and the rest of us aren't? If so, that would indicate he is fully conversant with the WADA code...and the fact that professional athletes are totally responsible for what goes into their bodies. You can't keep blaming everyone else Dyson, particularly when you infer that you are so "educated"....

  On 22/03/2016 at 07:04, Buffalo said:

I still can't get over Heppel's statement on 360 last night that those who call them drug cheats are "uneducated on the situation". Does that mean he is "educated" and the rest of us aren't? If so, that would indicate he is fully conversant with the WADA code...and the fact that professional athletes are totally responsible for what goes into their bodies. You can't keep blaming everyone else Dyson, particularly when you infer that you are so "educated"....

What the statement proves is that a lot of footballers are not rocket scientists or anything remotely close.