2 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Meanwhile, at AFL House:

I understand your sentiment but if we don't complain we know nothing will happen.

That you can guarantee.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

What, you haven't even seen Petracca play. 

Who?

Oh you mean  the bloke with the dicky knee and broken toe

Yes.....I lost interest last summer and the one before that........Until they bounced the ball at the start of the season.....Then it is different somehow, all the bull**** is gone and the real stuff starts.

Then I can come on here and be told who is a Brownlow medallist, who we will cut after one game, why Watts is good/hopeless,  Grimes have every mistake underlined and bolded.     You know......Normal footy stuff.    And follow my Supercoach and Dreamteam sides and realise I have too many Melb players in it.

 

Can't wait   

 

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

rapidly losing interest in footy..

never thought it would happen

At last count, nearly 27,000 posts on Demonland. BB, I think your passion is still there...it's just been a bit distracted lately. 

6 hours ago, sue said:

I wonder how Essendon could implement this now that the drug game has been caught out:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/how-pro-cyclists-cheat-using-motorized-bikes/

Except that there's only one, she's a junior and it hasn't yet been established that it was her bike. UCI have been openly testing for motors for a couple of years now, but this is the first time they've come across one.

Also, this isn't a cloak-and-dagger rigging of a bike either, the bikes in question are openly available online with a motor as a standard option. They're made for old blokes like me who like to ride but can't keep up with their younger mates ... 

https://www.salden.nl/nl/wilier-triestina-e-cycl-ocrosser-met-trapondersteuning.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-i-want-to-clear-the-names-of-the-essendon-34-20160202-gmjigs.html

OMG!!  Dank still wants to clear the 34 players!!  A bit late I would think...

That article contains so many Dank utterances contradicting what he has said in the past it isn't worth commenting. 

The only thing in the article I found believable was:  "Dank, however, no longer has detailed documents outlining what the players were injected with, maintaining these were erased under the watch of the club's former administration".

Very convenient.  Bit by bit the truth comes out...

22 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-i-want-to-clear-the-names-of-the-essendon-34-20160202-gmjigs.html

OMG!!  Dank still wants to clear the 34 players!!  A bit late I would think...

That article contains so many Dank utterances contradicting what he has said in the past it isn't worth commenting. 

The only thing in the article I found believable was:  "Dank, however, no longer has detailed documents outlining what the players were injected with, maintaining these were erased under the watch of the club's former administration".

Very convenient.  Bit by bit the truth comes out...

Hasn't he been saying that he infact does have those and some smoking gun evidence that is going to clear the players? 

4 hours ago, old dee said:

I understand your sentiment but if we don't complain we know nothing will happen.

That you can guarantee.

Obviously not to scale Old Dee?

52 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-i-want-to-clear-the-names-of-the-essendon-34-20160202-gmjigs.html

OMG!!  Dank still wants to clear the 34 players!!  A bit late I would think...

That article contains so many Dank utterances contradicting what he has said in the past it isn't worth commenting. 

The only thing in the article I found believable was:  "Dank, however, no longer has detailed documents outlining what the players were injected with, maintaining these were erased under the watch of the club's former administration".

Very convenient.  Bit by bit the truth comes out...

Hang on didn't he always say he had the docs???? 

So when is Dank looking to clear the Essendon players, October or November this year?

Like so much Dank says it doesn't make sense. I cant see how running defamation cases will help in any way to clear the players names in so far as they are not going to be determining what drugs the players used, just whether he has been defamed. 

In any case given he has been banned for life by the NRL and the AFL,  chose not to defend himself in either instance and an independent tribunal has determined the EFC players were administered PEDs by Dank i can't see how a court would bother exploring the player's innocence.

Add to that he doesn't have any records that one assumes if he is telling the truth would exonerate both him and the players. Which raises another obvious question. He claims EFC erased those records. Apart from the fact that is simply not plausible that he didn't keep his own copies (i mean come on) why on gods good earth would EFC destroy records that proved the players innocence. 

I for one can't wait for his court cases. 

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Like so much Dank says it doesn't make sense. I cant see how running defamation cases will help in any way to clear the players names in so far as they are not going to be determining what drugs the players used, just whether he has been defamed. 

In any case given he has been banned for life by the NRL and the AFL,  chose not to defend himself in either instance and an independent tribunal has determined the EFC players were administered PEDs by Dank i can't see how a court would bother exploring the player's innocence.

Add to that he doesn't have any records that one assumes if he is telling the truth would exonerate both him and the players. Which raises another obvious question. He claims EFC erased those records. Apart from the fact that is simply not plausible that he didn't keep his own copies (i mean come on) why on gods good earth would EFC destroy records that proved the players innocence. 

I for one can't wait for his court cases. 

It may well come down to his thought that he didnt inject banned substances. If he can prove he didnt then he could go after all who said he did as it was a lie and defamed his character. I would like to see him try as he has to prove they lied, not them prove they didn't.

1 hour ago, Peter Griffen said:

Hasn't he been saying that he infact does have those and some smoking gun evidence that is going to clear the players? 

Smoking something. Not sure it's a gun, though.

1 hour ago, Peter Griffen said:

Hasn't he been saying that he infact does have those and some smoking gun evidence that is going to clear the players? 

And yet what he thinks and what's reality are probably two different things !

2 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

Hasn't he been saying that he infact does have those and some smoking gun evidence that is going to clear the players? 

Not sure how this would help him?

51 minutes ago, Chris said:

It may well come down to his thought that he didnt inject banned substances. If he can prove he didnt then he could go after all who said he did as it was a lie and defamed his character. I would like to see him try as he has to prove they lied, not them prove they didn't.

I don't think that logic holds up, at least in terms of journo's as they are reporting by and large the accusations made against him and then the guilty findings. Perhasp Demitriou but my recollection is that his main criticisms were around the nature of program itself and given the EFC's own investigation famously called it a pharmacological experiment can't see how he was defamed.

In any case i doubt he can prove he didn't administer  illegal drugs and i also doubt a civil court hearing a defamation case is going to faff around and give Dank a forum to try and prove his innocence and attack his enemies.

such a pity james michener has died. 

The most incredible aspect of this entire Essendon  shemozzle that Dank needs to explain (and I bet he won't) is the consent forms that was given to the players.

 

Leaving aside the convenient red herring of thymomodulin (which was not on the list) which looks like a contrived afterthought desperately thrown into the ring to deflect the truth, there's the characterisation of thymosin simply as "thymosin". 

 

Jobe Watson has been quoted as saying, "I talked to Stephen about Thymosin and he said there's a bad one and a good one, yeah," and if that's true then the consent forms should surely have specified which one it was - the fact that it didn't means that, as a senior member of the playing group, Watson had to get some independent advice about exactly what he was having ingested into his system.

 

Instead, he relied solely on Dank, not the club doctor or his family doctor and not even Professor Google. Fat chance that Dank will ever get him or the players out of the mess he helped to create.

14 minutes ago, binman said:

I don't think that logic holds up, at least in terms of journo's as they are reporting by and large the accusations made against him and then the guilty findings. Perhasp Demitriou but my recollection is that his main criticisms were around the nature of program itself and given the EFC's own investigation famously called it a pharmacological experiment can't see how he was defamed.

In any case i doubt he can prove he didn't administer  illegal drugs and i also doubt a civil court hearing a defamation case is going to faff around and give Dank a forum to try and prove his innocence and attack his enemies.

It holds up if people reportes as fact that he injected the players with banned drugs and they forgot the allegedly part. Many jounos also attacked his credibility and qblamed him for all sorts of things. If they remebered the allegedly part they should be fine, if they forgot it then they may have issues.

9 minutes ago, Chris said:

It holds up if people reportes as fact that he injected the players with banned drugs and they forgot the allegedly part. 

Perhaps but only if he can prove he didn't administer a banned drug. However there is no way a civil court has the capacity to determine his guilt or innocence in this regard. How would they? They would have to repeat the entire investigation, which they simply won't entertain.

In any case he has been found guilty by the AFL and NRL and an independent body in CAS is comfortably satisfied (a similar standard to a civil case i would have thought) the players were administered banned PEDs. Surely a civil court would accept these findings, particularly in the absence of records proving otherwise.

The "comfortable satisfaction " standard lies between the "beyond reasonable doubt" of criminal cases and the "balance of probabilities" of civil cases.

 

21 hours ago, DemonFrog said:

Why would any company want to be associated with a sporting club that had 34 of its past and present players suspended for take illegal drugs or any of those suspended players?

Personally I would never consider buy anything from such an unethical business.

 

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22 hours ago, beelzebub said:

The AFL won't leave. 

For all the noise, the AFL is going nowhere when it comes to the WADA code. They simply have too much to lose. The government and the rest of the Australian sporting establishment will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Australia for a whole lot of reasons cannot afford to thumb its nose at world sport. It is as simple as that!

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

And yet what he thinks and what's reality are probably two different things !

Agreed, so far he has detailed documents about what was given, but he doesn't the players weren't given TB4, doesn't deny giving TB4 but argues that it isn't performance enhancing, just seems to be digging himself a deeper and deeper hole.

On 26 January 2016 at 11:25 AM, beelzebub said:

New Essendon motto:

Whoever it takes !

 

On 26 January 2016 at 11:29 AM, fndee said:

That's very good Beezlebub 

Surely it should be "whoever takes it"!