The Jack Trengove is BACK Thread

[monoccular 17,418]

Really looking forward to some facts re Jack's progress.

There has been / is a lot of speculation.

[dtrinh 71]

Interesting to see what position he may play if he does return to fitness. Anyone think he would be a good candidate to play off a half back flank? We know he works hard and generally used to use the ball well and make good decisions. I think playing him off the back flank will take some pressure off him compared to joining the midfield rotations.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Half forward I think. He was an exceptional mark for his size and a good kick.

[jnrmac 20,058]

My biggest concern is the risk of soft tissue injury like what happened to Mitch Clark.

CLark did the Lisenfranc bone not the navicular, Not sure what that means in terms of recovery but they were different.

[jnrmac 20,058]

For what it is worth, I heard from a person familiar with this type of injury, that the issue now for Jack now won't be running but kicking. As in there is a fair chance or re injury once he starts kicking again.

The injury was to his left foot - not his kicking foot...

[DeeSpencer 25,667]

CLark did the Lisenfranc bone not the navicular, Not sure what that means in terms of recovery but they were different.

Not a lot really. Any time you are off your feet for an extended period, away from playing footy for even longer and likely running differently when you get back means you are a big chance to do soft tissue injuries. Part of the reason to have Trenners get such a big running base under him now would be to hopefully condition his leg muscles, but nothing prepares you for footy conditioning.

[olisik 4,060]

Has Jack done any sprint or burst running? How is his explosiveness?

[Roger Mellie 4,010]

Has Jack done any sprint or burst running? How is his explosiveness?

No, I suspect (without a shred of evidence) he's doing a hell of a lot of lighter distance running to avoid the soft tissue injuries that might come after a marathon lay-off with significant muscle degeneration (Hello Mitch )

The long come back trail

[RalphiusMaximus 6,046]

No, I suspect (without a shred of evidence) he's doing a hell of a lot of lighter distance running to avoid the soft tissue injuries that might come after a marathon lay-off with significant muscle degeneration (Hello Mitch )

The long come back trail

I suspect this is the case. Even if everything goes perfectly I don't think we'll be considering him for seniors until later in the season. Go softly now to give him the best chance of being there when we need him in a few years.

[olisik 4,060]

I suspect this is the case. Even if everything goes perfectly I don't think we'll be considering him for seniors until later in the season. Go softly now to give him the best chance of being there when we need him in a few years.

Kid is outta contract next year.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,046]

Kid is outta contract next year.

And by then we'll either be seeing that he can still play or know that he's done. Still no reason to rush him back during the start of the season.

[McQueen 17,864]

Great thread idea McQueen.

I really rate Trengove for his resilience and ambitious attitude. He's hungry to play again and I know I'll be there the day he gets back.

With that said I'm really hoping he can have that day in the sun for the Dees, and further become a consistently selected best 22 player in a team pushing for a premiership.

I'll re-find and upload a particular shot from his instagram or twitter I have in mind.

I'll definitely make the journey over from WA to watch him play in his first game back.

I doubt that it'll get the media focus like the Cousins return did but nevertheless it'll be a very special day that as many Demons as possible should get too.

[Ted Lasso 19,493]

Kid is outta contract next year.

and if he's fine he'll get another, if fit, certainly a required player

[thevil1 421]

Geez I hope he can make it back!! I cant think of a more deserving bloke, he's shown some amazing courage through out all of it!

[binman 42,862]

The injury was to his left foot - not his kicking foot...

No left foot?

[picket fence 17,134]

Are you mental? The photo on the right shows how much he has progressed from the photo on the left.

Yeah might be a bit mental, but yes I understood the pic on the right is the most current. But if you look closely, there is still some muscle wastage! on the pic on the right!

And guess what smarties, I understand the need for muscle build up, but if this creates more bulk might that create more pressure on the injury?? This needs to be carfully monitored!

Just a thought!

[Webber 10,465]

CLark did the Lisenfranc bone not the navicular, Not sure what that means in terms of recovery but they were different.

'Lisfranc' is an injury named after Napoleon's chief medical officer who saw a spate of midfoot dislocations from soldiers falling off their horses whilst the foot stayed in the stirrup...ouch. It isn't a bone. The navicular is a bone, effectively the keystone of the foot as a weightbearing structure. It is prone to avascular necrosis (death from lack of blood supply) following fracture (stress or otherwise), and is historically problematic as we have seen with Jack Trengove. If he's running at full speed, the signs are very good. The next biggest issue becomes accumulated load, that being 2 hours of game time. Added issues are landing onto the foot and jumping off it. Kicking with it will not be a problem, and weightbearing on it whilst kicking with the other is just an extension of running forces.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,741]

Are there many players who have had similar injuries whose comebacks can be compared with Trengove's? Each of the following had some sort of foot injury which might have been similar: Matthew Egan, James Hird, Colin Garland. Did they have the same initial problem? How does Jack's comeback trajectory compare?

[FireOath 290]

Has Jack done any sprint or burst running? How is his explosiveness?

I read somewhere that he is running at about 70-80% speed at the moment.

[beelzebub 23,335]

When I broke a leg it didn't take that long to waste ...scary really.. The leg returns.. I wouldn't be at all concerned with the leg....it;s the foot.

If can get back to full loading and such...well...that's a win for Jack...and maybe for us.

So we don't really know much then.

[old dee 23,787]

IMO forget Jack for the first half of 2016 he will not contribute at AFL level before mid season ( assuming all goes well with his foot ).

Even after that he will have to get a spot in the side.

All I hope for next year is for him to prove his body can go the distance and prove he deserves a spot on the 2017 list.

Good luck JT you deserve a bit.

[jnrmac 20,058]

'Lisfranc' is an injury named after Napoleon's chief medical officer who saw a spate of midfoot dislocations from soldiers falling off their horses whilst the foot stayed in the stirrup...ouch. It isn't a bone. The navicular is a bone, effectively the keystone of the foot as a weightbearing structure. It is prone to avascular necrosis (death from lack of blood supply) following fracture (stress or otherwise), and is historically problematic as we have seen with Jack Trengove. If he's running at full speed, the signs are very good. The next biggest issue becomes accumulated load, that being 2 hours of game time. Added issues are landing onto the foot and jumping off it. Kicking with it will not be a problem, and weightbearing on it whilst kicking with the other is just an extension of running forces.

Thanks for the prognosis. I did say bone in error! Excellent to hear that the prospects are on the improve.

[bandicoot 1,395]

Well, I had quite a few doubts before, but after seeing this picture I would have to say NO!

I know that after surgery you do have muscle wastage, but sheeit the lack of body around the Gastroc, is gee, cause for alarm!

If he's not yet kickin a footy, I reckon things don't look too bright!

Is this your professional opinion?

Why rush Jack into kicking balls when you don't have to? Give the foot as much time to rest and repair as possible.

I would expect him to be kicking come New Years.

This would allow him 4 months of ball work to get himself ready for the season.

An additional 4 months (on top of the nearly 18 months) is plenty of time for him to be ready for competitive football.

[bandicoot 1,395]

IMO forget Jack for the first half of 2016 he will not contribute at AFL level before mid season ( assuming all goes well with his foot ).

Even after that he will have to get a spot in the side.

All I hope for next year is for him to prove his body can go the distance and prove he deserves a spot on the 2017 list.

Good luck JT you deserve a bit.

I expect Jack to be ready to play for Casey round 1.

If he strings 4-5 matches without complications then he would be a lock in our top 22.

[beelzebub 23,335]

I dont expect anything..... Im happy to be surprised