I to agree with what Plough said. And as far as improvement goes, it depends on what we see as improvement.

I think we'll win at least 9-10 games in 2016 (min) and be a smokey for finals, while plough thinks it will be closer to the 7 mark. He reckons the signs are good as we all do, but that it's a few more years off.

I didn't find it depressing as it's pretty much where i see us at, although see us with at least 2 more wins then Plough does.

I think something as simple as moving Garland forward to allow more opportunities for Frost and Oscar could help our scoring a lot.

Only two months ago Wallet said our list was ahead of the saints on tac future stars. Now he says this.

I haven't heard his assessment on St Kilda, but he didn't say we were behind them.

Not expectation, just potential

Wallace is now intimating that Brisbane's list and overall position is better than ours and Warrior is really buying into this...

Sooo...we need a forward support...and more depth in the guts...and we need to tidy up our basic skills

someone quickly Telex the club... wow... we'll be good to go after this revelation !!

Looks like the Carlisle to St Kilda deal is going ahead. Likely to involve Saint's 2016 first round pick.

I didn't hear it, but I'm not sure why there's such angst.

As I said yesterday, this site is filled with a bunch of sensitive little petals. As soon as anyone says anything that is not 100% positive about the club, or the coach or the playing list, they all fall to pieces.

The reality is that we are a bottom third side right at this moment. And nothing we have done since our last game (delistings, trades, etc) has changed that reality one iota. Some people don't like hearing that though.

Only thing that I can think of is that they've lost Bennell & Dixon and just had a pretty horrid year and not sure what shape O'Meara comes back in.

From a brand perspective they can't have a similarly horrid year, and what Prestia might provide from a on field, competitive viewpoint might offset the loss of return.

If they have a good year next year, maybe they can convince someone of similar value to join, but at the moment they're losing more than they are bringing in.

they need to bring in some mature leaders to offset the culture of spoilt youth... gabjr hasn't really done it.

so to get things right before more kids, they desperately need a Jnr Mc type, a mitchell/hodge, leaders...

As I said yesterday, this site is filled with a bunch of sensitive little petals. As soon as anyone says anything that is not 100% positive about the club, or the coach or the playing list, they all fall to pieces.

The reality is that we are a bottom third side right at this moment. And nothing we have done since our last game (delistings, trades, etc) has changed that reality one iota. Some people don't like hearing that though.

I could equally say that some people like wallowing in despair and miss no opportunity to moan and groan. Not changed 'one iota'? Really?

Thats good. But hasn't played a game. Dont expect a Hogan like year from Trac though. Its ridiculous the amount of expectations on this kids shoulders already.

And his knees.

Plough is the Oprah Winfrey of trade talk. Only I'd rather listen to Oprah.

Looks like the Carlisle to St Kilda deal is going ahead. Likely to involve Saint's 2016 first round pick.

They've stepped away from their 5 year plan they started in Watters final year then. No trading 1st round picks for that period. 2017 is the final year of that plan, so how do they justify it?

If we can't land another key forward, or get more pace through the midfield to help our forwards more, it's going to be harder to convince Hogan to stay. I suspect the presentation they gave him and the plan they have doesn't involve bringing in blokes like Melksham. As much as I like the trade for Melksham, it just proves that we're a feeder club willing to take anyone that wants to come to us.

We don't have a Carlisle, Treloar, Aish, Dangerfield, even Bennell, wanting to come to us, yet all of these players offer us *exactly* what we need.

It's quite depressing, really.

Plough is the Oprah Winfrey of trade talk. Only I'd rather listen to Oprah.

Oprah would have more AFL knowledge

Looks like the Carlisle to St Kilda deal is going ahead. Likely to involve Saint's 2016 first round pick.

Prudent if true. They'd back themselves to finish higher than 2015. Most likely a later pick. And utilise pick 5 this draft.

"Essendon have rejected St.Kilda's offer for Jake Carlisle.

- Sam Landsberger

No reports of what the actual offer was."

Looks like it's Pick 5 or nothing. Fair stance from Essendon, Carlisle is an established, young CHB. Don't grow on trees.

"Essendon have rejected St.Kilda's offer for Jake Carlisle.

- Sam Landsberger

No reports of what the actual offer was."

Looks like it's Pick 5 or nothing. Fair stance from Essendon, Carlisle is an established, young CHB. Don't grow on trees.

Can we please do that with Howe, Pies and GCS...p l e a s e!

Edited October 16, 201510 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Looks like the Carlisle to St Kilda deal is going ahead. Likely to involve Saint's 2016 first round pick.

Obviously went early on this one, just repeating what was reported on Trade Radio, apologies.

Can we please do that with Howe, Pies and GCS...p l e a s e!

Testify.

The reality is that we are a bottom third side right at this moment. And nothing we have done since our last game (delistings, trades, etc) has changed that reality one iota. Some people don't like hearing that though.

It's just a ridiculous statement. As ridiculous as saying at the end of 2014 that Port were a top 8 side and nothing they did by way of delistings or trades would change that. Nek Minnit ...

Lions brought in one of the biggest A-list players traded last year. How has that changed their "reality", when if anything they've gone backwards?

The reality is that even if we do zero trades, we'll have a longish list of players to add to our list, simply because of the long/er term injury situation to players like Petracca, Frost, Trengove, and even Salem, Pedersen, Kent etc. Some of those names are in our first-picked, most should be.

Without even starting on improvement with the younger players. How good could Brayshaw be this year?

etc. etc.

As you show with post after post, you're simply an out and out pessimist, and are confusing "reality" with "negativity".

It's quite depressing, really.

Oh for god's sake ...

Oh for god's sake ...

The problem for some posters is that they either believe that A graders or instant game changers grow on trees, or clubs are willing to part with them easily. Neither is true. Outside of Danger and, to a lesser extent Treloar, none of those types are truly out there on the market. But people are sucked in to this idea that we have to land a gun in this trade period or else a sinkhole will swallow the team up and we will disappear from existence.

The club is doing exactly what they should be - while they test the market they are bringing in experience and talent that will add to our list. They aren't A graders or game changers but they improve our depth and our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Everyone knows that when we did compete for 4 quarters we looked like a damn good side. If we do that more often then there is no reason why we can't add to our win tally in 2016.

But no, unless the next coming of GAJ falls in our lap then we all have to be depressed. Give me a break.

Highlights - pick 120 came into play

North Melbourne has not given up hope of securing Brisbane midfielder James Aish. The Magpies remain the frontrunner, but the Roos have this week renewed their interest.

St Kilda has tabled a new offer to Essendon for Jake Carlisle. It comes after Hawthorn's big play for him yesterday. The Saints say Carlisle is still committed to them.

North Melbourne's Ryan Bastinac has met with Brisbane officials today about a possible move to the Lions.

Jed Anderson was today officially traded from the Hawks to the Roos, with the Hawks receiving back a first round pick from the Roos, as well as another exchange of picks.

Curtley Hampton was today traded from the GWS Giants to the Adelaide Crows in exchange for the club's second round pick in next year's NAB AFL Draft.

Geelong ruckman Dawson Simpson today moved to the GWS Giants as a backup ruckman for Shane Mumford. He moves as an unrestricted free agent.

Jacob Townsend will play for the Tigers next season after being traded to the Tigers, along with pick 120, in exchange for the club's pick 70.

Hawthorn midfielder Brendan Whitecross has met with GWS this week as the Giants make a play for the unrestricted free agent. He has also met with the Lions.

Can deals still get done over the weekend?

Can deals still get done over the weekend?

At the pub.

Can deals still get done over the weekend?

Talk only. Nothing in writing.