Jake Carlisle

[old55 21,435]

Objective but not accurate.

And your açcurate evaluation method is?

[Mach5 4,482]

And your açcurate evaluation method is?

Don't have one; it's not really possible.

You could have some sort of points system like the one you're using and a coefficient based on the perceived strength of the particular draft in question, but it would still be a flat number, not allowing for things like a sublimely talented top 10, but little depth beyond that.

It will always be imperfect, so trying to apply any points system is inaccurate and a very rough guide at best.

Trying to say pick 43 & pick 21 is equivalent to pick 11 will never work, unless a team is willing to accept that deal because of the players that will be available to them, or what they can do with those assets to get another deal done.

Their value is determined by the market, not by a points system.

[old55 21,435]

Don't have one.

[rpfc 27,591]

It's great as a rough guide, 55, but equating a plethora of mediocre picks to one good pick and applying a players worth by adding all these numbers up is not giving a true reflection of worth.

The lack of another model - other than case by case 'eye test' doesn't prove this more righteous.

[Middymalt 244]

It's great as a rough guide, 55, but equating a plethora of mediocre picks to one good pick and applying a players worth by adding all these numbers up is not giving a true reflection of worth.

The lack of another model - other than case by case 'eye test' doesn't prove this more righteous.

so in bogan you don't like the new formula?

[daisycutter 28,639]

so in bogan you don't like the new formula?

it's just a highly contentious fantasy points system

all it does is waste countless hours of time and internet bandwidth with people arguing its fallacies and merits

it was generated for one purpose only and that was to add a better degree of fairness to father son and academy draft accountability

whether it achieves that aim is for future judgement

trying to use it for any other purpose is fraught with problems

use it for other purposes at your own peril but don't expect others to similarly waste their time

[rpfc 27,591]

so in bogan you don't like the new formula?

As DC said - formula is fine but don't dress it up into something it isn't.

[old55 21,435]

I used it to make a legitimate objective comparison of two trade scenarios involving Carlisle.

[Mach5 4,482]

I used it to make a legitimate objective comparison of two trade scenarios involving Carlisle.

Yeah, nah.

You're using the term "legitimate" very loosely there.

[daisycutter 28,639]

I used it to make a legitimate objective comparison of two trade scenarios involving Carlisle.

the formula provides a (dubious) method for evaluating the relative merits of new DRAFTEES (i.e. u18 KIDS) only based on pick number

you can't then just add in a mix of semi-mature and mature players with draftees and claim any form of "legitimacy"

[rpfc 27,591]

Also, that points system tells me that I should trade picks 16, 17, and 20 for pick 1 - and that it be fair.

I mean - lol...

[old55 21,435]

Also, that points system tells me that I should trade picks 16, 17, and 20 for pick 1 - and that it be fair.

I mean - lol...

Yes all sorts of unlikely scenarios can be dreamt up but I used the model for a real scenario. The closest real scenario to the one you raise is 2012. That's Whitfield for Broomhead, Kennedy and Grundy. Who's lol now? Edited October 18, 2015 by Fifty-5

[SaberFang 7,141]

There should be a provision strictly forbidding clubs with Academy or Father/Son commitments from completing trades where only picks are exchanged. Trading picks for players is fine, but giving up a top 10 pick for multiple second rounders to bid on Academy players is clearly manipulating the system. It opens a can of worms that would allow Academy teams to collude behind the scenes and draft tamper. For example, Sheedy's relationship between Essendon and GWS could play a part in this.

Is there a provision which stops Academy clubs from trading out all their first and second rounders for established players, then hoard a bunch of third rounders to use for Academy bidding? It's the equivalent of paying for a car with a jar of 5c coins.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Lamashtu

[rpfc 27,591]

Yes all sorts of unlikely scenarios can be dreamt up but I used the model for a real scenario. The closest real scenario to the one you raise is 2012. That's Whitfield for Broomhead, Kennedy and Grundy. Who's lol now?

I will wait on that a few years...

[John Crow Batty 8,285]

Reported he may be involved in some new drug related controversy. More on 7 news tonight.

[DeeSpencer 23,313]

There should be a provision strictly forbidding clubs with Academy or Father/Son commitments from completing trades where only picks are exchanged. Trading picks for players is fine, but giving up a top 10 pick for multiple second rounders to bid on Academy players is clearly manipulating the system. It opens a can of worms that would allow Academy teams to collude behind the scenes and draft tamper. For example, Sheedy's relationship between Essendon and GWS could play a part in this.

Is there a provision which stops Academy clubs from trading out all their first and second rounders for established players, then hoard a bunch of third rounders to use for Academy bidding? It's the equivalent of paying for a car with a jar of 5c coins.

Amen. Said the same thing to someone earlier. Not only are they paying coins but using a dodgy exchange rate.

To claim your academy/father son player you should have to use a pick in that round in the draft. It opens it right up when these clubs have worked out how to slide down the order.

Luckily we are switched on this year and getting in on the deals. Carlton, Essendon and us have now all used the clubs with academy picks to make win-win deals. In fact we probably got the lesser one of the bunch. Essendon and Carlton had huge steals.

[Bonkers 918]

Reported he may be involved in some new drug related controversy. More on 7 news tonight.

On SEN they are saying he was filmed allegedly snorting a line of white substance. Will be on Channel 9 after 7pm.

[Guest]

On SEN they are saying he was filmed allegedly snorting a line of white substance. Will be on Channel 9 after 7pm.

Will fit in well down at St. Kilda. It's just a shame that the Saints Disco has been defunct for so many years.

[rolling fog 1,146]

Wonder if they sat on it until the deal went through...

[John Crow Batty 8,285]

Jake has great mates

[SaberFang 7,141]

Wonder if they sat on it until the deal went through...

With 100% certainty; Essendon infiltrated the media years ago. Robbo would be licking his lips right now; he couldn't hide his disdain for Carlisle on 360.

Jake's certainly not alone in his escapades though, could post half a dozen anecdotes I've witnessed of players on the icing sugar.

[Seraph 1,714]

Could be a practical joke gone wrong?

What kind of stupid footballer would willingly allow themselves to be videoed snorting a line of coke?

[SaberFang 7,141]

Could be a practical joke gone wrong?

What kind of stupid footballer would willingly allow themselves to be videoed snorting a line of coke?

You answered your own question

[KingDingAling 3,614]

On SEN they are saying he was filmed allegedly snorting a line of white substance. Will be on Channel 9 after 7pm.

Like coach (former) like player.

[Deestroy All 14,262]