why would you not instruct after Howe kicking goal to all flood back?

And last week not manning up loose man, I think the match day coaching is pretty dam average.

There's not much they can do from the box in the last 40 seconds. It's up to the players and we are lacking leadership on the field,

TBH right now I agree with you.

But Roos won a flag and got within a kick of a second, by coaching a style despised by many, but he backed himself and won. So while I see your point, I can only hope he has his reasons, ones that will make us better in the long run...

As I said in another thread. I beleive Roos is a great motivator, teacher and player developer however I'm feeling he gets the better of every game we play. He doesn't seem to make strategic changes to take advantage of opposition flaws and weaknesses as other coaches do not does he make changes to mitigate areas we are being schooled in

This failure is on our on field leaders, Jones, Dunn, Cross, Lamumba, Vince have all been around long enough, they simply should have known better.

Goodwin in the box, Roos on the bench.

Give it a go!

Can't lose anything

Where is that killer instinct that al Clarkson showed against us? He flooded back so he would win by over 100 points. Terry Wallace was pretty convincing on the radio pointing that out as a very poor "coaching error".

The problem I see with the on field leaders argument is: how would they know it's 41 seconds to go?? It was what 27 minutes and most quarters go 30-32 mins.. If Nathan jones says flood back and here is still 4 minutes.. It was a 2 goal quarter so natural instincts are thrown. It had to come from the coach (and it clearly didn't).

Disappointed that we could and should have stolen that match. We needed that!

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:47, Wunders said:

Where is that killer instinct that al Clarkson showed against us? He flooded back so he would win by over 100 points. Terry Wallace was pretty convincing on the radio pointing that out as a very poor "coaching error".

The problem I see with the on field leaders argument is: how would they know it's 41 seconds to go?? It was what 27 minutes and most quarters go 30-32 mins.. If Nathan jones says flood back and here is still 4 minutes.. It was a 2 goal quarter so natural instincts are thrown. It had to come from the coach (and it clearly didn't).

Disappointed that we could and should have stolen that match. We needed that!

They get updated when there is 2 minutes to go mate, they'd have had a very good idea it was a minute or less.

Seriously guys, our coaces can only do so much, it's up to our players/leaders to lead on the field. If you're up with under a minute to go and you depend on the coach to tell you to flood back, you're a hopeless football team. I learnt that in under 13's, Hogan, Watts, Garlett should of all been behind the ball and make a contest. Our players lost that game not Roos. The players need to be accountable.

While I believe leadership on field is an issues - I wouldn't say any one players is to blame

It's hard for Roos and everyone when there are so many young players.... We need more time to play as a team. As bad as the past few weeks have been you can see fight and the team growing

it was Watts, Toump led by Jones and Bernie

Today sucked but it wasn't all bad

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:47, Wunders said:

Where is that killer instinct that al Clarkson showed against us? He flooded back so he would win by over 100 points. Terry Wallace was pretty convincing on the radio pointing that out as a very poor "coaching error".

The problem I see with the on field leaders argument is: how would they know it's 41 seconds to go?? It was what 27 minutes and most quarters go 30-32 mins.. If Nathan jones says flood back and here is still 4 minutes.. It was a 2 goal quarter so natural instincts are thrown. It had to come from the coach (and it clearly didn't).

Disappointed that we could and should have stolen that match. We needed that!

Alastair Lynch was in the Melbourne coaches box today and just said on Fox footy that Roos did send that message but obviously they didn't get it in time or chose not to act on it.

On field leadership was severely lacking in this instant.

Ironic that we spent 95% of the last quarter with 18 guys in our back half. Then we snaffle a goal with 40 seconds left and setup at the next bounce with a normal structure? WTF! The call had to come from the coaching box to the runners to get ready before Howe had even kicked the goal.

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:50, Sir Paul Roos said:

They get updated when there is 2 minutes to go mate, they'd have had a very good idea it was a minute or less.

Well if they get updated for that, surely they could have been instructed to send players back in the midst of celebrating Howe's goal? For the 2nd week in a row, the buck stops with Roos.

Shouldn't be blaming roosy on this.

Its bloody common sense that will only about a minute to go the older players should have been screaming for players to push back!

  On 14/06/2015 at 10:01, mo64 said:

Well if they get updated for that, surely they could have been instructed to send players back in the midst of celebrating Howe's goal? For the 2nd week in a row, the buck stops with Roos.[/quot

Kidding yourself mate, the buck stops with our leadership group......

It is pretty obvious we lack any form of decent on field leadership. This is not just the last play, we lacked any intent in the last quarter to win the game and instead players were looking for someone else to do it for them.

  On 14/06/2015 at 10:04, big_red_fire_engine said:

It is pretty obvious we lack any form of decent on field leadership. This is not just the last play, we lacked any intent in the last quarter to win the game and instead players were looking for someone else to do it for them.

Finally BRFE You have nailed it Thats why they hand pass nobody takes responsibility

If I played for MFC i would probably hit some of the players watching their play. Would just frustrate the hell out of you until you gave up like some already have. Its a disease.

Barry Hall needs a position in our coaching line up for a lot of reasons...

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:52, BrisbaneDemon said:

Seriously guys, our coaces can only do so much, it's up to our players/leaders to lead on the field. If you're up with under a minute to go and you depend on the coach to tell you to flood back, you're a hopeless football team. I learnt that in under 13's, Hogan, Watts, Garlett should of all been behind the ball and make a contest. Our players lost that game not Roos. The players need to be accountable.

With 30 to 40 seconds left and just as the ball was sailing through from Howe..... Jones, Crossy, Garlett, H and others should have been screaming for everyone up forward to get back and leave only Jeffy and the sweeper goal side on either side of the bounce.

Whatever the structure it should have been a set play for the team and AUTOMATIC structure, albeit a frantic one.

No excuses, either the players stuffed what should have been a set play....OR Roos hasn't instilled or drilled this into them.

Only the players/coach will know which one it is but regardless this is school footy stuff that no other team except us could have stuffed.

Can only see 2 more plausible, but unlikely wins for the year (as they are SO mentally frail as a group) and funnily enough that's against the Saints at the G in 5 rounds time and the Blues a few weeks after that.

I'm not even going to bother watching the rest. If we can't get over the line versus a saints line up with about the same inexperience and even more sub 50 match players than us, then we will have major problems against pretty much everyone else.

Looks like we will be fighting it out with the Blues and possibly Brisbane for yet another spoon.

The problem was the Gawn tap. I thought Gawn's tapwoprk was terrific and apart from a few spilt marks which were costly, he played a good game.

That said, his tap with 41 seconds to go had to go straight to his feet and just lock it in again and again. Roos will be so disappointed with a highly offensive tap out the back which Steven was able to run onto.

So So disappointing

BUT

These players have not experienced how to win a close one and don't really know how to respond to pressure

I think that this is the next most important learning curve for this team

I heard the commentators saying the Melbourne players were emotionally exhausted

I hope Roos got them and told them this is what they have to get used to

Every stupid mistake can be overcome by an extra effort

I would like to see more intensity and pressure at training to instil and reward the good actions

Yes this is really the beginning

If they choose it but it takes real team committment

It will be interesting to see what happens now

It was a short quarter, I believe. Hard on the players to know.

  On 14/06/2015 at 10:04, big_red_fire_engine said:

It is pretty obvious we lack any form of decent on field leadership. This is not just the last play, we lacked any intent in the last quarter to win the game and instead players were looking for someone else to do it for them.

This is your answer...Not the coaches box

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:47, Wunders said:

Where is that killer instinct that al Clarkson showed against us? He flooded back so he would win by over 100 points. Terry Wallace was pretty convincing on the radio pointing that out as a very poor "coaching error".

The problem I see with the on field leaders argument is: how would they know it's 41 seconds to go?? It was what 27 minutes and most quarters go 30-32 mins.. If Nathan jones says flood back and here is still 4 minutes.. It was a 2 goal quarter so natural instincts are thrown. It had to come from the coach (and it clearly didn't).

Disappointed that we could and should have stolen that match. We needed that!

The coaches have a clock in the box. The bench knows exactly how many seconds are left.

Infuriating pathetic loss. Poor leaders. Poor coaching. This club is beyond far ked

The Saints were walking wounded.

  On 14/06/2015 at 09:47, Wunders said:

Disappointed that we could and should have stolen that match. We needed that!

Stolen ????

it was level at 3/4 time.