Morton or Toumpas

[olisik 4,060]

Someone should be called to explain what has happened with ToumpAs. He was a solid junior and obviously his development has gone to [censored].

Right now I would have Morton ahead of Toumpas by a mile, was saw promise and good signs from Morton.

We havnt even had a glimpse of what Toumpas is supposedly meant to offer.

What's the go?

[Sir Why You Little 34,717]

Attitude

Bung Hips

[Duh 109]

This thread is ridiculous. Give the kid a chance

[olisik 4,060]

This thread is ridiculous. Give the kid a chance

His has 20 games to show something, usually , like with Brayshaw, Hogan, Viney, Salem ect you see glimpses. We havnt seen a thing from Toumpas.

HIs development has gone pear shape somewhere and it should be looked into. Serious issue

[Sir Why You Little 34,717]

This thread is ridiculous. Give the kid a chance

We have. He has blown them all

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,186]

So you'd rather have Morton on the list than Toumpas..?

Well, Cale's playing VFL this year so I'm sure he could be drafted pretty cheaply at the end of the year.

As I don't think any of Jimmys short coming have anything to do with lack of effort, I'll stand by the MFC player.

[olisik 4,060]

So you'd rather have Morton on the list than Toumpas..?

Well, Cale's playing VFL this year so I'm sure he could be drafted pretty cheaply at the end of the year.

As I don't think any of Jimmys short coming have anything to do with lack of effort, I'll stand by the MFC player.

Right now yes, I think Morton would be a more dangerous player then Jimmy

[Sir Why You Little 34,717]

There is no fibre in the club

The players just want to get paid.

[Duh 109]

Round 22 2013 agaisnt adelaide i remember thinking that toumpas could be something

Even last week the way he applyed himself defensively when compared to his teammates was promising

He has shown glimpses

[Sir Why You Little 34,717]

Round 22 2013 agaisnt adelaide i remember thinking that toumpas could be something

Even last week the way he applyed himself defensively when compared to his teammates was promising

He has shown glimpses

Glimpses are not what is needed. He was recruited as an outside mid with pace which he doesn't have

Only the MFC could make such a decision.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,186]

There are frustrations over the recruitment of Jimmy Toumpas and countless threads to air these in.

The inclusion of Morton and the idea that some would redraft Cale Morton over having Toumpas is a little absurd.

If Jimmy is moved on by the MFC at year's end he will definitely be on an AFL list next year.

He needs time- maybe not with us, but someone will give it to him.

[Duh 109]

I wont dispute the fact that melbourne should have chosen ollie wines, or macrae instead of him but at the time, if you can remember, toumpas was so highly rated many thoight gws would take him with pick two or three. So i dont think only melbourne could make such a decision

I do think comparing toumpas to cale morton is quite premature

[dazzledavey36 49,049]

His has 20 games to show something, usually , like with Brayshaw, Hogan, Viney, Salem ect you see glimpses. We havnt seen a thing from Toumpas.

HIs development has gone pear shape somewhere and it should be looked into. Serious issue

Yeah because at 20 games it will define your career..

FMD

[Wiseblood 24,636]

The perfect thread for the glass half empties to drool over.

No thanks.

[olisik 4,060]

Yeah because at 20 games it will define your career..

FMD

Should we wait 100 like with Watts? Or 150 like with Sylvia? Because even they showed more in their first 20 games then Toumpas has.

[whatwhat say what 19,326]

I said last year that Morton had a more impressive first two seasons that Toumpas. Unfortunately it looks like Morton is going to 'win' the third year too.

Sadly I don't see Toumpas as anything close to being good enough to be an afl player.

Too slow, too timid, too unskilled.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Someone should be called to explain what has happened with ToumpAs. He was a solid junior and obviously his development has gone to [censored].

Right now I would have Morton ahead of Toumpas by a mile, was saw promise and good signs from Morton.

We havnt even had a glimpse of what Toumpas is supposedly meant to offer.

What's the go?

no question, Toumpas all day & all night. he will be good if we treat him the right way in his development.

but once a kid has the yips by bringing him in too soon, it takes a long time if he gets damaged. he has been damaged a bit, but he is salvageable. his career should be fine IF they want to put the time & patience into him. he has to be patient as well, with himself.

[dazzledavey36 49,049]

Should we wait 100 like with Watts? Or 150 like with Sylvia? Because even they showed more in their first 20 games then Toumpas has.

A proven AFL coach will tell you to not judge a player until they have 80 to 100 games up their sleeve.

But who am i kidding.. i dont expect you and WYL to work that out.

[titan_uranus 22,673]

Classic Demonland thread.

And not in a good way.

[KingDingAling 3,614]

Someone should be called to explain what has happened with ToumpAs. He was a solid junior and obviously his development has gone to [censored].

Right now I would have Morton ahead of Toumpas by a mile, was saw promise and good signs from Morton.

We havnt even had a glimpse of what Toumpas is supposedly meant to offer.

What's the go?

There is 2 things I expect recruiters to focus on when drafting young kids..

1. Can this kid play football? I want players to make an immediate impact.

2. Can this kid mentally handle the rigors of AFL football.

Other characteristics that are integral - good inside a contest, balance, spread, the ability to harness aggression and control pace.

It isn't rocket science to find the Luke Parkers, Ollie Wines, Angus Brayshaws, Dustin Martins, Steele Sidebottoms of the draft.

Yet we drafted Toumpas, he doesn't tick any of those boxes, he had shot hips, and IMO (I know others see it different) he didn't look overly impressive in the nationals prior to getting drafted.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Glimpses are not what is needed. He was recruited as an outside mid with pace which he doesn't have

Only the MFC could make such a decision.

speed aint everything WYL...

Hodge & Mitchell don't have it. most mids aren't real quick.

I think we should lay off the Toump, let him go back & just develop. he isn't ready just yet... that isn't a crime & he didn't pick himself.

[Pipefitter 2,027]

I think even Toumpas knows we should have picked someone else.

[olisik 4,060]

We are so far down [censored] creek that even Morton looks like a good draft pick when compared

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,186]

There is 2 things I expect recruiters to focus on when drafting young kids..

1. Can this kid play football? I want players to make an immediate impact.

2. Can this kid mentally handle the rigors of AFL football.

Other characteristics that are integral - good inside a contest, balance, spread, the ability to harness aggression and control pace.

It isn't rocket science to find the Luke Parkers, Ollie Wines, Angus Brayshaws, Dustin Martins, Steele Sidebottoms of the draft.

Yet we drafted Toumpas, he doesn't tick any of those boxes, he had shot hips, and IMO (I know others see it different) he didn't look overly impressive in the nationals prior to getting drafted.

Surely it is a little harder than you think otherwise those players would have gone at number one...

[Sir Why You Little 34,717]

speed aint everything WYL...

Hodge & Mitchell don't have it. most mids aren't real quick.

I think we should lay off the Toump, let him go back & just develop. he isn't ready just yet... that isn't a crime & he didn't pick himself.

He will never be ready

Timid.