Post Match Discussion, Pontification and Prayer

[Little Richard 6,265]

He never did that. Stop embarassing yourself with pathetic comments like this that you make up to give you a excuse to sink into a player.

Pathetic attempt as usual.

That was definitely a rumour about Cook, not Toumpas.

I think Toumpas cried on the ground after a really poor performance two years ago, and he was given the red vest. At least it showed he cared about the way he'd been playing.

[Sir Why You Little 37,337]

That was definitely a rumour about Cook, not Toumpas.

I think Toumpas cried on the ground after a really poor performance two years ago, and he was given the red vest. At least it showed he cared about the way he'd been playing.

Correct.

Not that it did him any good.

[Little Richard 6,265]

Correct.

Not that it did him any good.

At that stage he cared far more than many of the others. But you are right, he hasn't exactly done a whole lot since.

I still have faith in Jimmy... I think there's a good player in him but perhaps my faith is there because there is no other option.

[dazzledavey36 55,982]

not as PATHETIC as Toumpas on the park Dazz

STOP MAKING EXCUSES....

No you are pathetic SWYL!

You said you wrote off Toumpas on the back that he cried at training when it NEVER happened. As someone pointed out it was Lucas Cook.

So you have just wrote off a player on the back of no eveidence to back up your pathetic childish claim.

Made yourself look like an absolute [censored].. again

[Sir Why You Little 37,337]

No you are pathetic SWYL!

You said you wrote off Toumpas on the back that he cried at training when it NEVER happened. As someone pointed out it was Lucas Cook.

So you have just wrote off a player on the back of no eveidence to back up your pathetic childish claim.

Made yourself look like an absolute [censored].. again

Yep. I have written Toumpas off

He hath no pace and is timid ok

Get over it

[Demon Dynasty 17,135]

Shouldn't have dropped Watts... who gets the blame now?

Watts dropped himself

Thats exactly what i've been thinking, Watts can't be blamed by all the 'supporters' now

Like most of our other ordinary NQR players, wouldnt have made a skerrick of difference to the result. We only have a handfull of players you could call AFL standard and a few of those are injured. Hence the 17 goal drubbing.

[dazzledavey36 55,982]

Yep. I have written Toumpas off

He hath no pace and is timid ok

Get over it

Yeah i got the memo mate.

But no one here will ever take you serious on your judgement based an incident that never happened.

[Sir Why You Little 37,337]

Yeah i got the memo mate.

But no one here will ever take you serious on your judgement based an incident that never happened.

Care factor?

I am more concerned about the $$$ we pay this fcuking rabble year after year....

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

Fair dinkun, what a pathetic rabble we are. Players dropping themselves. Leaders capable of only leading themselves. Fringe players and other sides rejects flying the flag. Our most consistent and best player not in the leadership group. Highly paid duds playing like highy paid duds. Where is the team spirit and Elan? FMD I don't know.

[xarronn 384]

not as PATHETIC as Toumpas on the park Dazz

STOP MAKING EXCUSES....

So you made up and posted a load of BS about Toumpas to denigrate and belittle him. What credibility and morals can you possibly have?

[Sir Why You Little 37,337]

So you made up and posted a load of BS about Toumpas to denigrate and belittle him. What credibility and morals can you possibly have?

Bucketloads sunshine....

[biggestred 5,265]

today is another example of why the minimum salary cap has to go.
our list is worth about 3% of what the hawks list is and THEY GET PAID THE SAME.

[Adam The God 30,639]

I knew it wouldnt take long for the club suckholes to get home from the game and start posting apologetic rubbish. He has every right to post what he did, as the evidence is overwhelming. If you cant stand the truth, go and join the Essendrug fanboi site.

'We're cooked as a club'. 'All we're going to do is bring them down'.

Because I say harden the [censored] up, I'm an apologist? I'm not apologising for anything and this woah is me crap is pathetic drivel, not to mention unintelligent hyperbole.

So how is he measured these days?

Spencil, the tallest guy on our team, took zero marks, had 2 kicks and 5 handballs. ZERO MARKS FFS!!!

Lots of guys had an average day today, he wasn't the only one, but we really need a decent ruckman next year. If he or Gawn want that spot, one of them needs to put a stamp on it or risk being cast adrift.

Well, he had the second most tackles on the ground with 8 (clearly our best) and managed 4 clearances (our equal second most). I'm sorry, but he's miles better than Jamar and at this stage Gawn.

[baysidedave 246]

Oh, and Clark is still in a losing team. What a pity.

Playing pretty shyte too, and I noticed Frawley did jackshit today as well!!!!

[baysidedave 246]

saw FFS!

ha

[bing181 9,435]

... this woah is me crap is pathetic drivel, not to mention unintelligent hyperbole.

Telling it like it is.

It's not just the players who need to harden up.

[Little Richard 6,265]

I heard the players and all staff are having a party during the week. WYL is supplying the gatorade.

[Giles 181]

Are you suggesting we should have delisted more than 11 players last year?

No, not suggesting that Grazman.

[ex52k2 250]

I have a Garry Lyon garden gnome out front in my rose bushes, he moves and tackles better than most of the Dees money takers.

[samcantstandya 1,068]

ENHANCING THE FAN EXPERIENCE by George on the Outer

During the week some of our readers would have received a survey from the MFC and the AFL, seeking their opinion of the Fan Experience, which has resulted in our senses being assailed by bright lights, loud music and boorish ground announcers.

Sadly for the Demon supporters they would be happy for some fan experience of the traditional type going to see their side compete ... perchance winning now and then, and even dreaming of the fan experience of the Hawthorn supporters who have witnessed decades of success both on and off the field.

But the only experience they got was another shellacking from a team that is obviously a premiership contender (again), and a football lesson on how very, very far the Demons are from being both relevant and successful in todays competition.

And that shellacking was delivered without the services of Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis!

The opening two goals by the Demons pointed to something possible, before the Hawks had registered a major but the first two goals to the Hawks came from direct turnovers, as the Melbourne players set about destroying their own confidence. To finish the quarter they then piled on another four for good measure, as the players in Red and Blue in many cases stood idly by.

That was bettered again the 3rd with an 8 goal haul, and another 6 in the final term to round it out nicely.

Were it not for Tom McDonald and Col Garland the rout that was to ensue would have been even uglier. And yes, they made a couple of mistakes themselves, but when the ball keeps coming in so freely and often, they can be more than forgiven.

Similarly Nathan Jones played his guts out again, and seems to have lost all the promised support he had at year start. It certainly doesnt help when your ruckman cant hit the ball remotely near a red and blue shirted player. Or even to hit the ball!

What cant be forgiven is the unwillingness to run and run hard when needed by the Melbourne players. A classic example was when Gibson gathered the ball in the Hawthorn backline and delivered to Rioli on the wing. As Rioli ran forward to eventually score the goal, Gibson ran behind him all the way to the goal line, protecting him from any defenders. A look back to the Melbourne forward line saw Gibson's direct opponent still standing, looking downfield.

For the Hawks it is all about team!

The ruthlessness of Hawthorn has to be admired and their goal-kicking and field delivery is exceptional. Roughead, Gunston, Suckling, and Bruest have the most delightful kicking style and accuracy. The 50 metre arc is only a way-point to goal as they consistently make the distance and usually the accuracy.

Contrast that with the efforts of a number of Melbourne players who couldnt make either the distance or the accuracy from points well inside the 50 metre arc. While the overall result wouldnt have changed, another 5 or 6 very gettable goals start to make the score-line respectable and give some hope for the future.

But even if everything had gone our way up forward, the obvious holes and NQR players proliferate throughout the side. We have imported, traded and drafted some serious talent over the past 2 years, but when the names of M. Jones, Bail, Grimes, Howe and Spencer appear in the team selected, we can be certain that we are scraping the barrel.

The fact that we HAVE to play kids like Billy Stretch, Angus Brayshaw and then supplement them with other first year players like Aaron Vandenberg, shows the true lack of depth that the club faces.

Yet all of these first year players acquitted themselves admirably. That no one in the Casey lineup can or is capable of giving them a rest is a real indictment. By season's end they may well be burnt out, battered and deflated. Even more so when they realise what some players are being paid to run around with the Scorpions!

Contrast those NQR players with the performance, and strong marking efforts of Cam Pedersen, who truly took his slim opportunity to play at senior level and turned it into a sterling performance. He willed himself to contests and created opportunities up forward to not only score three goals off his own boot but give Garlett chances that wouldnt have otherwise happened. Then he pinch hits in the ruck and even gives us a couple of clearances that were non-existent for most of the match.

Hell be back next week, and unfortunately the list will be populated with more of the NQR players again. Losing Christian Salem to a hamstring makes the selection committee's job even harder as they are forced to put forward names that simply shouldnt be on the radar.

Worse still is the fan experience that the supporters will be forced to endure when those same players run out on the ground again, and perform to the same miserable standards that we have witnessed all this season.

Melbourne 2.0.12 3.3.21 4.6.30 7.8.50

HAWTHORN 6.2.38 10.6.66 18.8.116 24.11.155

Goals

Melbourne Garlett Pedersen 3 Bail

Hawthorn Roughead 4 Breust Rioli 3 Hale Langford Puopolo Schoenmakers 2 Ceglar Gunston Hartung, Hill Mitchell Suckling

Best

Melbourne Garlett Pedersen T McDonald N Jones

Hawthorn Mitchell Hartung Hill Roughead Burgoyne Langford Shiels Ceglar

Changes

Melbourne Jesse Hogan (soreness) replaced in the selected side by Cam Pedersen

Hawthorn Isaac Smith (illness) replaced in the selected side by Jonathan Simpkin

Injuries

Melbourne Christian Salem (hamstring)

Hawthorn Nil

Substitutes

Melbourne Billy Stretch replaced Christian Salem in the second quarter

Hawthorn Jonathan Simpkin replaced David Hale in the third quarter

Reports

Melbourne Nil

Hawthorn Nil

Umpires Rosebury Edwards Ryan

Official crowd 41,935 at the MCG

I know MFC don't necessarily read demonland posts, but they should read this gr8 summary.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

Well done AFL no other club will play that many top four sides three in a row, the AFL every year the AFL try and find ways, to try and destroy Melbournes confidence, a team that wins four games in a season should never play that many in a short space time. The AFL try would be every happy at the moment, no other team will face that sort of draw, i know some will say no excuse and yes no one listens to them but really, they say the draw is weighted to make it easy for bottom sides, now we might have some easy games towards the end of the season, but wins early does more for a teams confidant.

[Theo 277]

I think it's pretty clear we need GWS/GCS style draft concessions which we'll never get, oh well , feel really bad for my son who I essentially forced into being a demon fan.

Totally agree. My son came over for dinner last night after going to the game. I said to him that I don't mind if he barracked for another club.

In regard to drafting I believe that the last four clubs should get the first 8 picks.

18th have picks 1&5

17th 2&6

16th 3&7

15th 4&8

Unless something like this happens teams like MFC, Carlton, Gold Coast, & St.Kilda, will become irrelevant to the competition.

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

If Rohan Bail ever plays for the MFC again I will not buy another membership (25 year member). Forget toumpas, he is still learning, Bail would be lucky to get a gane back at southport. His kicking is a f.ckn disgrace. I absolutely loathe him as a footballer.

[Vince Vega 40]

Out of interest, how many players were different today to who lined up against our 50 point loss to the Hawks last year?

Would be fascinating to see that comparison.

Ten changes.

Round 20, 2014:

Bail, Barry, Cross, Dawes, Dunn, Frawley, Garland, Gawn, Howe, Jamar, Jetta, M. Jones, N. Jones, Kennedy-Harris, Kent, McDonald, Michie, Riley, Tyson, Vince, Viney, Watts

Yesterday:

Bail, Brayshaw, Cross, Dawes, Dunn, Garland, Garlett, Grimes, Howe, M. Jones, N. Jones, Lumumba, McDonald, Michie, Pedersen, Salem, Spencer, Stretch, Toumpas, Tyson, Vandenberg, Vince

[Frosty Demon 153]

I wrote him off when he cried at training

Tell me you made that up?