Training - Thursday 9th April, 2015

[Deestroy All 14,262]

So no one wants Casey to win a premiership?

[jnrmac 19,931]

Jnr I think you meant 60 years! in the last 50 years we have won exactly zero flags.

Oops .. Yes!

[loges 6,767]

I think there's little doubt that he prefers it up forward.

If you read the rumours, Howe will leave the MFC unless he returns to the forward line.

Who would sign a player who wants to tell the club where he plays?

[CBDees 3,165]

Disappointing comment from you CBD. Although I note it was in response to TDIs comment which may be a mitigating factor.

H my comment was in no way a comment or reflection on Grimes. It was merely a reflection on our greater depth this year and the fact that many Melbourne players will be spending their time at Casey trying to break into the top 22. As a consequence, and with the improved coaching structure at Casey (on the MFC payroll), I can see a rosy year ahead for Casey and a strong tilt at the VFL Premiership. For the first time Melbourne players will get something back from their time at Casey and that will be playing in a winning team with their MFC teammates.

[Moonshadow 17,577]

Thanks for your great report and follow up deespicable me. Please attend more sessions. Very insightful, plus no obsession with your bowel movements.

[Outside fifty 967]

Who would sign a player who wants to tell the club where he plays?

GWS

[lucifer 119]

The Grimes bashing bother me a bit. Yep, his disposal last year was poor and he has some cringe moments in the NAB cup, but he had to lead the club through the Neeld years. Let's not forget before he was made captain he had be injured consistently. I get it, at the moment it looks like we have better options, but no need to kick the guy while he's down. Let's see him rip it apart at Casey and press for a spot. I won't forget the spoil he made on Dangerfield last year in Adelaide. I reckon he can play, just needs to regain his mojo. Keep him at Casey until someone's form in the Senior's falls and bring him back.

[Willmoy1947 3,974]

Jnr, you said 60 years anyway so why oops! You were right.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

The Grimes bashing bother me a bit. Yep, his disposal last year was poor and he has some cringe moments in the NAB cup, but he had to lead the club through the Neeld years. Let's not forget before he was made captain he had be injured consistently. I get it, at the moment it looks like we have better options, but no need to kick the guy while he's down. Let's see him rip it apart at Casey and press for a spot. I won't forget the spoil he made on Dangerfield last year in Adelaide. I reckon he can play, just needs to regain his mojo. Keep him at Casey until someone's form in the Senior's falls and bring him back.

So you want someone to fall? Disappointing comment from you lucifer.

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

Thanks for your great report and follow up deespicable me. Please attend more sessions. Very insightful, plus no obsession with your bowel movements.

Seconded despicable, saved me going into detail which I find boring, training is training, although some like to hear that the players are improving their skills and then don't believe it, no sorry that's only when I put it

Although I can tell who is in form and who isn't, we are now into the season, so the individual programs for the players will come into play even more, Watts, Howe and Viney had extra light days today, Tommy Mc only does a certain amount and others are in and out of the drills, including Hogan for a massage mid session

It is the army in me chap, a la Jarhead, like to produce them not too soft, not too hard, sort of perfectionism rather than obsession

[Moonshadow 17,577]

It is the army in me chap, a la Jarhead, like to produce them not too soft, not too hard, sort of perfectionism rather than obsession

You must be part italian Saty. Like you, once they get past their mid 60's they are infatuated with their movements.

[rpfc 28,074]

Vandenberg seems to think he is the one that will make way for Dawes, asked him about how he was drafted, thinks coach may have spoken to George Stone as he knows him, had a few conversations with Jason Taylor pre the rookie draft

[CityDee 738]

I think there's little doubt that he prefers it up forward.

If you read the rumours, Howe will leave the MFC unless he returns to the forward line.

No way he thinks that , does everyone want to be a goalkicker? maybe but Howe isnt that immature and is playing well . id say give the guy some credit where credits due.

[Moonshadow 17,577]

Gold. Pure gold.

[dazzledavey36 53,265]

This is great.

[Fork 'em 6,974]

I think there's little doubt that he prefers it up forward.

If you read the rumours, Howe will leave the MFC unless he returns to the forward line.

No good being a forward if you can't kick straight.

[Demon Disciple 11,802]

there is no toilets,

Uhhh...............that's what the filth's oval is for. Just drop trou and away you go.

[ManDee 7,124]

As part of the agreement with the QB'day game it guarantees an extra game at the G for the Pies which potentially means one week less of travelling interstate.

Eddie did it because he was a great deal for Collingwood, not because he was trying to give the MFC a break.

Blah blah blah.... nice avatar! Who is she?

[Trengoove 7]

OD I like your posts generally but I thnik you are well out of line with this and I take umbrage at the suggestion we are only there due to the favour of Collingwood.

1. The fixture is not equal. The Pies get favoured. As do the bigger clubs. This results in more revenue for them and less for us.

2. TV coverage is not equal. If you were to sponsor a footy club then the Pies get consertaively 3x more coverage than us. This is simply not fair.

3. There are 18 teams in the comp. The Pies can play themselves if they want to but as it stands all 18 teams are part of the package and deserve equal rights. Coll 1sts v Coll 2nds wouldn't get much coverage or advertising. They need us,

4. In the last 60 years we have won twice as many flags as them

5. 'Equalisation' is really only part equalisation for points 1,2,and 3 above. We get shafted. Any squealing about Eddie suporting the weaker clubs is just that - squealing. When we play the bigger teams at the MCG we get big crowds and decent gate receipts. If we got decent TV coverage we would get decent sponsorship revenue.

6. We only Collingwood once a year generally (altho this year it is twice). even the fixture by getting rid of the NAB cup (BTW Who won the NAB cup this year? NFI because it is irrelevent)

7. Eddie is a [censored] from Broady that now lives in Toorak. He is the last person to lecture on what is best for the competition. His team has won 1 flag since he has been at the helm. he doesn't deserve all of the good things that the AFL delivers to the Pies

Rant over.

Unfortunately, while it would be nice to blame the disparity between ourselves and sides like Collingwood on the AFL, the reality is somewhat different.

Just as two businesses can provide similar products/services with wildly different revenue outcomes, so too can football teams.

You mentioned unequal television coverage, driving inequality in sponsorship revenue. While this may be true, and while it may also influence the supporter base of the club to a degree, the difference in revenue does not stem solely from sponsorship.

According to the 2014 annual reports of both clubs, major revenue items are as follows:

Collingwood

AFL distributions: $8.2 M

Commercial Activities: $19.3 M

Function centres and gaming venues: $23.0 M

Membership and match day: $24.4 M

TOTAL: $76.8 M

Melbourne

AFL distributions: $11.0 M

Commercial Activities: $7.7 M

Function centres and gaming venues: $11.7 M

Membership and match day: $10.3 M

TOTAL: $42.1 M

Our commercial activities (which include sponsorship and merch) are $11.6 M less than Collingwood. This is undoubtedly supported by the excellent TV coverage they get etc. However, our membership and matchday revenue is $14.1 M less than their's while functions and gaming is $11.3 M less. That's a total of $25.4 M just in those two items, which can only really be put down to good management/investment by their club and the passionate financial backing of their supporters.

[old dee 23,527]

Eddie allowed sponsorship at Gosch we are not...

They get that because they are better negotiators and have three times the supporters we do.

Eddie is just using his clout to the best advantage of his club, what is the problem with that?

I just wish we had simialr clout.

[old dee 23,527]

OD you have an annoying habit of correcting me. you are usually correct which makes me a bit irritable. I drink to make people more interesting or when I know I have erred.

Sorry Ernie i dont try to get up your nose.

[lucifer 119]

So you want someone to fall? Disappointing comment from you lucifer.

Re-read the comment. Did I say I hope someone's form drops? No, I said wait until it does. I would have thought in the modern game it is inevitable that player's form will fluctuate throughout the season. Not sure why you need to go for personal attacks. I certainly didn't - my comments were a generalisation about the Grimes bashing on here. Not sure what it is you have taken exception to.

[CBDees 3,165]

Unfortunately, while it would be nice to blame the disparity between ourselves and sides like Collingwood on the AFL, the reality is somewhat different.

Just as two businesses can provide similar products/services with wildly different revenue outcomes, so too can football teams.

You mentioned unequal television coverage, driving inequality in sponsorship revenue. While this may be true, and while it may also influence the supporter base of the club to a degree, the difference in revenue does not stem solely from sponsorship.

According to the 2014 annual reports of both clubs, major revenue items are as follows:

Collingwood

AFL distributions: $8.2 M

Commercial Activities: $19.3 M

Function centres and gaming venues: $23.0 M

Membership and match day: $24.4 M

TOTAL: $76.8 M

Melbourne

AFL distributions: $11.0 M

Commercial Activities: $7.7 M

Function centres and gaming venues: $11.7 M

Membership and match day: $10.3 M

TOTAL: $42.1 M

Our commercial activities (which include sponsorship and merch) are $11.6 M less than Collingwood. This is undoubtedly supported by the excellent TV coverage they get etc. However, our membership and matchday revenue is $14.1 M less than their's while functions and gaming is $11.3 M less. That's a total of $25.4 M just in those two items, which can only really be put down to good management/investment by their club and the passionate financial backing of their supporters.

The match day figures are where the AFL gifts them a massive advantage, particularly over us. Look back over last year and seem how many Sunday twilight matches Melbourne was scheduled compared with Collingwood! The solitary twilight match that I recall that Collingwood had to endure saw Eddie in the papers the next day demanding half a Million compensation from the AFL. Their advantage in this area is a joke and why they will continue to be the wealthy recipient of an AFL-engineered travesty.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

The match day figures are where the AFL gifts them a massive advantage, particularly over us. Look back over last year and seem how many Sunday twilight matches Melbourne was scheduled compared with Collingwood! The solitary twilight match that I recall that Collingwood had to endure saw Eddie in the papers the next day demanding half a Million compensation from the AFL. Their advantage in this area is a joke and why they will continue to be the wealthy recipient of an AFL-engineered travesty.

CBDees, the scheduling provided has to be earned. It isn't gifted.

[DeeSpencer 24,905]

CBDees, the scheduling provided has to be earned. It isn't gifted.

Rubbish. North and Port both top 4 last year. Compare their draws to Richmond, Coll and especially Carlton.

I get that we are in for our fair share of dodgy time slots, foxtel coverage etc. But I'd watch Port and North any day of the week over Carlton. Round 1 - Carlton first game of the season. Round 2 - Carlton first Friday night of the season.

Getting Carlton back to 40k crowds and 50k members seems more important than getting Port some ripping free to air coverage so they can sell sponsorships for mega bucks and getting North a fair run so they can build their crowds above 30k and members above 40k.

If you don't reward top 4 then I don't see how clubs will ever get rewards that they need to then funnel more investments in to performance. Hawthorn did it. Geelong did it in a less competitive era really. But it's getting harder and harder and there's no sign of reward unless you strike gold like the Hawks did in several areas (Coach, Tassie deal, multiple successes).