Damo just made the comment on the Footy Show that talks are ongoing with Howe, he wants 4 years on good money and we aren't willing to meet those money demands. If memory serves correctly Damo also said that we are unlikely to meet those money demands as well, so if he stays it will be on our terms. Seems as though we would be happy to offer him 4 years though.

4 years for Howe would be ridiculous imo. I hope the purple headed warrior has it wrong yet again.

4 years for Howe would be ridiculous imo. I hope the purple headed warrior has it wrong yet again.

He didn't say that's what we were offering, just what Howe was asking for - 4 years and plenty of cash. Whether or not we meet that remains to be seen.

4 years?! Is he on crack?

Gees the nerves of mediocre players these days!

3 years would be about right for Howe. He'd be a free agent after that. He's in his prime, can run and kick and has so far stayed healthy. Got no issue with him asking for 4 and us saying 3.

The money is interesting. Hard to get a value on a player I rate as only fringe 22 at a good club. Still puts him well above the league average of 340k but well below 700k.

If a team wants to pay him they better give us a good trade, that's my thinking on Howe. Otherwise we might say ok Jeremy 3 years at 400 or 450, maybe a little more with incentives.

Think beyond next year people.

Howe on $450k a year over 4 years means the salary cap goes up in 2017 he will spend 3 years on very reasonable money.

He is just a third tall and small ineffectual swing man but he can play footy.

I think if GWS lose McCartney as is now rumoured, they will go harder for Jeremy to fill the void and entertain the Sydney fans with his leaps...

Roosy has shown amazing loyalty to him - as he has done to almost every senior player with the exception of Grimes and Jamar.

He knows he is wanted by Roos, yet he wants his manager to get top dollar.

We are close to the cap from the sounds of it and we want to lure another player or two - so ultimately we can't give him what his manager wants.

As a result he either accepts a deal around the 400K mark or seeks a trade.

On the positive side is that if he wants to go to GWS, he can now tick two boxes being a middle-aged player (25) and versatile enough to offer something at either end of the park.

And given they now look to have lost McCarthy, they will be keen on finding a forward to compliment Cameron and Patton.

That's a win for us because I reckon we could now ask for more from them in return - perhaps Plowman and their second round pick.

Plowman is way more likely to accept a deal in the 300K area.

Am I the only one that wants us to just move him on? Low ball him. He has far greater value to us on the trade table than on the field. His trade could help transform our midfield.

GWS won't lose McCarthy.

edited to remove ambiguity

Edited September 10, 201510 yr by Jesus Hoganshaw

Am I the only one that wants us to just move him on? Low ball him. He has far greater value to us on the trade table than on the field. His trade could help transform our midfield.

I hope this happens. Sounds like we might get overs for him, and hes a very average player.

We have remarkably few average players who would give us a better return at the trade table.

Not dissimilar to the club rating pick 3 above retaining Frawley. I fully expect this to be the same scenario, albeit without free agency.

Think beyond next year people.

Howe on $450k a year over 4 years means the salary cap goes up in 2017 he will spend 3 years on very reasonable money.

He is just a third tall and small ineffectual swing man but he can play footy.

Howe would be asking for 600k, not 450k.

We'd pay Howe 450k over 4, I would, I expect the club would do that without many dramas.

I just get the feeling Howe is asking upwards of 600k, which is just not practical for MFC, but other clubs are probably offering him 550-600k.

If that is the case, let him walk. That is just my estimation of where this is at, pure speculation, like everything else atm.

Roosy has shown amazing loyalty to him - as he has done to almost every senior player with the exception of Grimes and Jamar.

He knows he is wanted by Roos, yet he wants his manager to get top dollar.

We are close to the cap from the sounds of it and we want to lure another player or two - so ultimately we can't give him what his manager wants.

As a result he either accepts a deal around the 400K mark or seeks a trade.

On the positive side is that if he wants to go to GWS, he can now tick two boxes being a middle-aged player (25) and versatile enough to offer something at either end of the park.

And given they now look to have lost McCarthy, they will be keen on finding a forward to compliment Cameron and Patton.

That's a win for us because I reckon we could now ask for more from them in return - perhaps Plowman and their second round pick.

Plowman is way more likely to accept a deal in the 300K area.

Games Jack selected for (particularly at end of season) vs games Mark selected for - somewhat of a difference, methinks, Your Honour.

Anyway, back to Jeremy...

Very happy for us to play hard ball on him, I felt he had a good year last year but he's had a very average 2015 IMO. Will be ironic if he does leave given he cracked the 100 games and took his best hanger for the year in his last game.

Edited September 10, 201510 yr by Pates

Roosy has shown amazing loyalty to him - as he has done to almost every senior player with the exception of Grimes and Jamar.

He knows he is wanted by Roos, yet he wants his manager to get top dollar.

We are close to the cap from the sounds of it and we want to lure another player or two - so ultimately we can't give him what his manager wants.

As a result he either accepts a deal around the 400K mark or seeks a trade.

On the positive side is that if he wants to go to GWS, he can now tick two boxes being a middle-aged player (25) and versatile enough to offer something at either end of the park.

And given they now look to have lost McCarthy, they will be keen on finding a forward to compliment Cameron and Patton.

That's a win for us because I reckon we could now ask for more from them in return - perhaps Plowman and their second round pick.

Plowman is way more likely to accept a deal in the 300K area.

I disagree with this on a couple of points. I think Roos sees Howe for what he is, talented but inconsistent & error prone. You say Roos shows loyalty towards all players, Roos is an expert at showing external parties what he wants them to see. It's obvious that as a club we were prepared to let Frawley & Howe leave if it helps build our list. Roos sees most players in that light hence why almost all of our players are tradeable.

In terms of the salary cap I'd say we'd have close to a million to throw at Dangerfield for example so we can't be that tight with the salary cap.

Edited September 10, 201510 yr by Bonkers

I don't see why anyone has a problem for him trying to get four years.

We whinge when players don't show loyalty and we whinge when they do.

If the figures thrown around are true and his manager is putting too high a price tag, I understand the complaints on this, but not on him asking for four years

He didn't say that's what we were offering, just what Howe was asking for - 4 years and plenty of cash. Whether or not we meet that remains to be seen.

no way, his way of saying he's off. & our way of holding the door, for him & his baggage.

It will be interesting to see how Howe fares in the B&F.

He has fallen out of favour on DL this year but not so with coaches.

He has played all 22 games.

Appears to have followed coaches instructions.

Seems to be doing the 'team' thing a lot more.

Has been consistently above average in most games.

Methinks those things are valued highly by coaches when it comes to B&F.

I would not be surprised if he is in our top 10.

Slightly off topic, and not sure if it has been mentioned previously, but can someone tell me why Howe was one of the blokes chairing Cross off last week? I actually felt like vomiting to be honest.

Hang on Howe is only 25. I guess he wants stability, That would take him to 29 and he could still continue to play after that. Its the money I have an issue with. I dont want to throw thousands at him. But if he is saying he wants 4 years to me it sounds like he wants to stay. But we just cant over pay him.

Hang on Howe is only 25. I guess he wants stability, That would take him to 29 and he could still continue to play after that. Its the money I have an issue with. I dont want to throw thousands at him. But if he is saying he wants 4 years to me it sounds like he wants to stay. But we just cant over pay him.

Contract value = annual salary x no. of years. He's trying to lock in $2m+ for himself. Why wouldn't he? I hope he considers other factors like how f@#$king good we're going to be in 3 years. I also hope he stays because in this era of boring "modern football" he remains a player that is worth going to the footy to watch.

Howe is a very durable player, missing just one game since debut. His not worth $600K, but that needs to be taken into account and I want him to stay.

It will be interesting to see how Howe fares in the B&F.

He has fallen out of favour on DL this year but not so with coaches.

He has played all 22 games.

Appears to have followed coaches instructions.

Seems to be doing the 'team' thing a lot more.

Has been consistently above average in most games.

Methinks those things are valued highly by coaches when it comes to B&F.

I would not be surprised if he is in our top 10.

Not commenting on Howe specifically, but I wonder if coaches fiddle some mid B&F rankings with an eye to increasing trade value.

Not commenting on Howe specifically, but I wonder if coaches fiddle some mid B&F rankings with an eye to increasing trade value.

Frawley finished eighth last season. Ahead of Nev Jetta.

I have little doubt that it happens.

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