Excuse me?

I don't think he was handled poorly. He didn't set the forward line on fire and Roos tried to salvage something for him back. He played his best games back but makes mistakes and you can't have a HBF that makes mistakes - they are there to kick it so McDonald does that less.

So, yeah, I don't fell let down by the club...

I didn't say that...go back and read the post.

Edited October 20, 201510 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Excuse me?

I don't think he was handled poorly. He didn't set the forward line on fire and Roos tried to salvage something for him back. He played his best games back but makes mistakes and you can't have a HBF that makes mistakes - they are there to kick it so McDonald does that less.

So, yeah, I don't fell let down by the club...

You read "was", where it said "has"...

I wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 30 - 40 goals for them if he plays as a permanent forward.

I certainly won't enjoy seeing it.

Interesting point, over 5 seasons he averages 5.5 marks and 1.63 contested marks per game; which is better than Jack Reiwoldt (5.39 & 1.57). The marks per game would be inflated by playing in the backline. Playing as a forward, he will find his run at the ball blocked a lot more. He has kicked only 0.8 goals per game (deflated by playing in the backline). Maybe Collingwood have been reading money-ball.

I only really see Howe kicking most of his goals after marks; so I doubt he will get to the 30, but it will be interesting.

I am going to miss his spectacular marking, that's for sure.

But it seems that he thinks he is going to a club that has a better chance of making the finals next year, and he thinks he's the next Isaac Smith (or Nathan Buckley does).

We beat Collingwood the second time we played them this year, and the first time we played them, Cloke kicked 7 goals straight !!

And Isaac Smith is very fast and a superb kick - Jeremy has neither of those attributes.

I don't quite get it - perhaps he just wants to get out of the backline.

Interesting point, over 5 seasons he averages 5.5 marks and 1.63 contested marks per game; which is better than Jack Reiwoldt (5.39 & 1.57). The marks per game would be inflated by playing in the backline. Playing as a forward, he will find his run at the ball blocked a lot more. He has kicked only 0.8 goals per game (deflated by playing in the backline). Maybe Collingwood have been reading money-ball.

I only really see Howe kicking most of his goals after marks; so I doubt he will get to the 30, but it will be interesting.

When you don't get the ball inside 50 that often, forwards don't get the easy goals to inflate their goal tally. Howe will play more as a lead up half forward at Collingwood, and Cloke and Moore will rotate through FF/CHF. I don't expect him to kick more than 30 goals playing that role.

When you don't get the ball inside 50 that often, forwards don't get the easy goals to inflate their goal tally. Howe will play more as a lead up half forward at Collingwood, and Cloke and Moore will rotate through FF/CHF. I don't expect him to kick more than 30 goals playing that role.

That is a big ask to get Howe to play as an effective lead up forward. He couldn't or wouldn't do it with us. As Dermott Brereton said., he needs retraining in the seconds for a fair stint to force a change his ways.

Edited October 20, 201510 yr by america de cali

That is a big ask to get Howe to play as an effective lead up forward. He couldn't or wouldn't do it with us. As Dermott Brereton said., he needs retraining in the seconds for a fair stint to force a change his ways.

Howe was injured in the preseason, so Hogan, Dawes and Pedersen were the only lead up forwards during match sim. Howe came straight back in as a backman so I doubt that he would have trained as a lead up forward under Roos.

I'd be curious to know how many times Hogan and Howe started together in the forward line? IMO, Howe was a better foil than Dawes.

Edited October 20, 201510 yr by mo64

I am going to miss his spectacular marking, that's for sure.

But it seems that he thinks he is going to a club that has a better chance of making the finals next year, and he thinks he's the next Isaac Smith (or Nathan Buckley does).

We beat Collingwood the second time we played them this year, and the first time we played them, Cloke kicked 7 goals straight !!

And Isaac Smith is very fast and a superb kick - Jeremy has neither of those attributes.

I don't quite get it - perhaps he just wants to get out of the backline.

yep, he wants out of the backline

he's just like a typical school kid, basically all he wants to do is take speccies and kick goals

IT'S ALL OVER.

Anyone who leaves and goes to the filth, is nothing but a turn coat.

Bugger Off

My bad, LH.

dead to me.

Jeremy Whoe

Im married into a large mic family. 99% all filth.

Out of curiosity i pm'd those who are footy savvy and "congratulated" them on their acquisition.

Strangely none...NONE were gloating. Some rather perplexed at their clubs excitement. A couple even offered we got the better and Kennedy should prove a solid, if not remarkable, player.

I get ragged a lot by this lot as well as my Maggie mates. Not one , not a single one is mocking me.

Bizarre

That isn't really surprising.

How many Melbourne players are genuinely rated by non-Melbourne people?

Hogan yes. Brayshaw probably. McDonald in some circles. They admire Jones but few really rate him that highly.

Outside of that it's a blanket of ignorance and indifference. They are no doubt taking a wait and see approach with Howe.

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

Not much I'd say.

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

Polishing Buckleys ................ Shoes.

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

no point fantasising over miracles, trf

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

He is probably looking at himself in the mirror trying to remind himself of how good he is.

What do you think Howie is thinking right about now?

Getting his hair done by Rene Kink?

IT'S ALL OVER.

Anyone who leaves and goes to the filth, is nothing but a turn coat.

Bugger Off

Emphasis on the Bugg

No farewell from me.

Rivers was treated disgracefully by Neeld - while it was very sad to see him go I don't blame him and was happy to see him play some good footy at the Cats.

But Frawley - I did not enjoy seeing him get a premiership medal immediately at Hawthorn - no applause from me.

Now Howe - he like Frawley is now the "enemy" and I don't wish him well.

(loved Garland's comment that a Premiership medal would only be enjoyed if it was with Melb.)

Have to get some support on field for Hogan and tie him up long term before his pesky manager starts shopping him around (beware Freo with Pavlich going and them not getting McCarthy).

That isn't really surprising.

How many Melbourne players are genuinely rated by non-Melbourne people?

Hogan yes. Brayshaw probably. McDonald in some circles. They admire Jones but few really rate him that highly.

Outside of that it's a blanket of ignorance and indifference. They are no doubt taking a wait and see approach with Howe.

We will see howe Buckley rates his IDGAF attitude when the team is 3 goals down....

Over the time Howe was with us, not once did I hear him say he grew up barracking for the pies and buckley was his hero. I mean we all heard Judd and Buddy grew up as demons fans, ling was a geelong fan, heppell a dons fan, Tex a crows fan and so on.

Listening to Garry Lyon yesterday he was scathing on Howe. He said his manager has handled this all wrong, shopped Howe around for a ridiculous asking price that backfired because no club wanted to pay it then he ended up at collingwood because they told him he'd play in the one position. Gaz said he doesnt know how to play forward and in these times of footy he will again find himself playing in different positions.

Anyway he better not take mark of the year on us.

Over the time Howe was with us, not once did I hear him say he grew up barracking for the pies and buckley was his hero.

I did. I've always held it against him, even when i didn't want to.

I did. I've always held it against him, even when i didn't want to.

maybe he was referring to the glenorchy magpies in the tfl?