When you look past the borderline hysteria of supporters and possible trading scenarios that saw some of the best players in the league falling into our lap... our trading has been quite good. If we can secure Frost tomorrow for a decent price then this week will be a success. Many people are understandably down on the week as they were hoping/wishing for a mega signing, but alas, it wasn't to be.

Stretch for a third rounder is a WIN.

Lamumba for Clark (a player who had previously retired, which gave us nothing) is a WIN.

Garlett for picks 61 and 79 is a big WIN as he is a player with plenty of talent, goal sense and something we sorely need- speed!

Hopefully a Frost deal can be done tomorrow and we have a young, athletic, big-bodied key position player who has potential at both ends of the ground.

Add to that we have the chance to draft either the best two mid-fielders in the draft OR the second best mid and the best KPP in the draft-pool.

The week is not what we expected, but that does not mean it's not a good week.

Excuse me?

Did Vince, Tyson and Cross appear in spite of Roos?

Pedersen, Byrnes, Clark, Dawes, et al.

I am disappointed but if you were to take the two lists of players attracted by Neeld and then Roos - there would be little argument as to who recruited the better players.

Neeld attracted a full forward and a centre-half forward. Roos got three unloved mids. Amid all the guff about "trading" and "knowing where the list was" blah blah blah we've done nothing. Lots of melbourne recruiting efforts have struggled to land big fish - neeld didn't. Roos has. And take one of vince or tyson off roos' list and my argument would be overwhelming.

There's still tomorrow to package Blease, Strauss and Tapscott for something amazing!

I think people underestimate the effect that the introduction of delisted free agency has on the lesser trades that used to take place involving players of this ilk.

We've seen it happening with a number of clubs where players won't end up traded but rather picked up later for nothing after they're delisted.

From the MFC perspective it's almost certain that these unloved uncontracted players will be delisted soon after the trade period ends (unless a miracle happens tomorrow). We might even decide to pay out the contracts of lesser lights with the promise of rookie listing them allowing us to fulfill our contracts.

Hence, the suggestion made in some quarters that this might happen with Jack Trengove and possibly Michael Evans. The end result is that the delistings might filter down to our current rookies meaning Alexis Georgiou and even Max King might not be safe. I'm throwing the idea up but I really don't know if rules allow us to do this but it could give us extra scope for drafting in the coming month that we might otherwise not have.

As far as assessing the trading so far, it's difficult to say. I'd prefer to look at the overall result when drafting's done.

Neeld attracted a full forward and a centre-half forward. Roos got three unloved mids. Amid all the guff about "trading" and "knowing where the list was" blah blah blah we've done nothing. Lots of melbourne recruiting efforts have struggled to land big fish - neeld didn't. Roos has. And take one of vince or tyson off roos' list and my argument would be overwhelming.

So don't look at the list properly and your argument is a good one?

Huh?

Dawes. Well done Neeld. A self confessed 'role playing CHF.'

Clark was and excellent hijack but perhaps the fact that we managed to turn his head was an insight into his eventual defection.

There is no comparison to Vince, Tyson, Cross, and Lumumba. Despite the nonsense about HL - he is immediately our best attacking defender.

No tick (just ticked off)

1) We have not traded out any of our under-performing contracted players to get back into the second round.

You can't be serious (though I realise you are ....)

The key to why that hasn't happened is in your own post - would the words "under-performing" have anything to do with it?

Under-performing? The only "un" here is that they're un-tradeable.

Whilst this is neither here nor there, I thought I'd say it.

Why all the love for McCartin? I find him extremely underwhelming as a modern day forward. He has limited attributes, his goal kicking is questionable and looks to be extremely one-dimensional.

I'll be absolutely stunned if we picked him with either pick.

Don't know why there's all this love for him.

Whilst this is neither here nor there, I thought I'd say it.

Why all the love for McCartin? I find him extremely underwhelming as a modern day forward. He has limited attributes, his goal kicking is questionable and looks to be extremely one-dimensional.

I'll be absolutely stunned if we picked him with either pick.

Don't know why there's all this love for him.

agree, is overhyped

Sometimes STMJ you just happen to be an ordinary key tall in a year when there are very few and you get talked about very highly time will tell

McCartin/Wright/Keital/Mckenzie vs Hogan/Danniher/Boyd

Our football department has been very active in talks, however the dees can't trade by themselves. It takes two to tango.

We are still holding very tradable picks and are probably willing to trade half our list if the right deal comes up. Finish line isn't far away, and we might not be done just yet.

There's no guarantee until 2pm today as to how it's going to play out.

So far I'd describe it as astute recruiting.

So far we've added Lumumba - our immediate most experienced and best attacking defender / wingman - for nothing as Clark was off our books and not part of our total player payments in 2015.

Garlett should be best 22, but he's speculative- however, he was added for a fourth round draft pick. Nothing of major value lost and hopefully an immediate best 22 player in.

Stretch continues a family lineage for a third rounder - and don't forget he was all Australian and tested very well in the combine.

I know Mahoney and Frost's manager says we are working hard to facilitate a trade for him - but I hope not too hard, and he slides to PSD or as a delisted free agency pick up, so again something for nothing and addressing an immediate need of covering the loss of a swingman key position player as a direct replacement for Chip.

We've tried for other trades and failed. We must keep working to get better as a club so that this time next year we are a preferred destination and can land a free agent like Dangerfield. Huge challenge to do so, but you gotta try! Methinks Adelaide might regret not trying to trade him out for picks 2 and 3 in 2014.

we've already filled some needs

Lumumba is an All Australian talent who finished 4th in the Pies B and F this season, and gives us pace and dash off half back, something we seriously lacked this year

Garlett is the small forward we've been screaming out for for years and has booted 40+ goals in multiple seasons and will bring excitement and electricity at the feet of our forwards and running through the midfield at stages. Hes kicked 190 goals in 110 games and is only 25

We got both players for virtually nothing, so i consider it a big win

Stretch/pick 3 for Frawley/pick 39 is also a win for us

Hopefully we can pull something special out today to top off what has been an underrated trade period so far for the MFC

I admit to never having seen Wines or any of the potential picks 2 & 3 mids in their U18 days - for those who have, how do / did they compare at this stage?

So don't look at the list properly and your argument is a good one?

Huh?

Dawes. Well done Neeld. A self confessed 'role playing CHF.'

Clark was and excellent hijack but perhaps the fact that we managed to turn his head was an insight into his eventual defection.

There is no comparison to Vince, Tyson, Cross, and Lumumba. Despite the nonsense about HL - he is immediately our best attacking defender.

Don't look at the list? Are you kidding? Seriously, you just must be. Midfielders are everywhere. It is just Melbourne who cannot get them. Finding three is like fishing at a trout farm. Try getting a forward line. Look at other teams - the bulldogs and sydney sold the farm to buy a forwardline. Neeld didn't. So he didn't get mids - he tried building a spine first. To suppose that he wasn't thinking mids is a damn big leap. We all give Roos the benefit of the that doubt that he is going to build a game plan gradually - I think neeld was building a list in the same way.

Neeld got forwards when melbourne's currency was lowest and with no real reputation as a coach. Roos - giant rep, cannot land one big fish. So he got mids. Whoop de do. He's lost two structural pieces too. And overseen a team that could not get hogan fit after causing his injury aggravation. So Roos got three mids while losing two pieces of a spine and losing a third to chronic in jury at 19 years of age.

I need a slow hand clap gif...

Don't look at the list? Are you kidding? Seriously, you just must be. Midfielders are everywhere. It is just Melbourne who cannot get them. Finding three is like fishing at a trout farm. Try getting a forward line. Look at other teams - the bulldogs and sydney sold the farm to buy a forwardline. Neeld didn't. So he didn't get mids - he tried building a spine first. To suppose that he wasn't thinking mids is a damn big leap. We all give Roos the benefit of the that doubt that he is going to build a game plan gradually - I think neeld was building a list in the same way.

Neeld got forwards when melbourne's currency was lowest and with no real reputation as a coach. Roos - giant rep, cannot land one big fish. So he got mids. Whoop de do. He's lost two structural pieces too. And overseen a team that could not get hogan fit after causing his injury aggravation. So Roos got three mids while losing two pieces of a spine and losing a third to chronic in jury at 19 years of age.

I need a slow hand clap gif...

Are you for real?

Are you suggesting that Trengove's injury is Roos' fault?

How did Roos cause Hogan's injury?

Was Clark's situation Roos' fault?

Did Roos create the circumstances leading to Frawley's defection?

I'm not sure of your logic. Are you suggesting we should have stuck with Neeld?

Are you for real?

Are you suggesting that Trengove's injury is Roos' fault?

How did Roos cause Hogan's injury?

Was Clark's situation Roos' fault?

Did Roos create the circumstances leading to Frawley's defection?

I'm not sure of your logic. Are you suggesting we should have stuck with Neeld?

You just have to realize that some folk will never be happy.

Envisage us winning a GF by 99 points : some would be bitching about "that dud", who happened to kick 5 goals, missing a "sitter" in the third quarter, or another "dud", who happened to win the Normie, missing a tackle with 5 minutes to go !

Essendon had donuts to play with and no leverage in the Ryder trade, while we had picks 2, 3 and 23

Plus 40 'tradable' players, yet we got SFA and the Dons have done alright. Not good enough

Certainly can't claim a "scattergun" approach.

The three brought in fill needs, and can potentially do that for a number of years.

Certainly can't claim a "scattergun" approach.

The three brought in fill needs, and can potentially do that for a number of years.

Except they don't fill our one true need.

Based on Pick 'Cost':-

Stretch = 8 out of 10

Garlett = 7 out of 10

Mitch = 2 out of 10

Lumumba = 6 out of 10

Frost = 2 out of 10

Overall = 5 out of 10

No A or A+ player = a minus

No player traded out = a big minus

Draft, 2, 3, 43, etc etc = TBA

Edited October 16, 201410 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Would someone please tell me how many further delistings we need to make now in order to use Picks 2, 3, 40 & 53.

Would someone please tell me how many further delistings we need to make now in order to use Picks 2, 3, 40 & 53.

from reading another thread it would appear to be 4

Crap.

It's pretty simple really.

number of midfielders bought in = 0

Its not like we need to improve that part of our team or anything

number of midfielders bought in = 0

Its not like we need to improve that part of our team or anything

We could potentially be bringing in the best two young mids in the country.

Last year picks 2 and 3 were Kelly and Billings (Bontempelli at 4)

We could potentially be bringing in the best two young mids in the country.

Last year picks 2 and 3 were Kelly and Billings (Bontempelli at 4)

This is where you lose me.