End of year delistings

[Dwight Schrute 16,751]

Would somebody mind having a go at unravelling the Roosey speak in his presser re playing players and the pre season bit?

About whom was he referring do you think?

I think there are probably a whole lot to be honest, I reckon Roos has a core group he thinks can take the club forward, I think the rest are now trying to prove why they deserve their spot on the list

I think we are going to be extremely active in trade week as Roos will want to address a few serious needs

[Beats 190]

I seem to remember something about this happening previously to Juice. I think he had a contract but was downgraded to rookie list ( still on senior payments) to allow another to take his spot on the Senior list. Can anyone else remember this or something like this happening. Pretty sure that precedent exists to down grade a Senior player to Rookie keep paying contract but enable another spot on main list?

You can cancel a contract at any time, however the financial implications of doing so make it very difficult. The player has been guaranteed an amount of money over a certain time frame, if you end the contract part way through the time frame you are required to pay out the remaining balance on the contract at that time. In most situations the remaining balance would be included on the TPP in the year it was cancelled, however depending on the circumstances you can apply it to following years. Eg. We delist Evans with a year remaining, the amount we pay out either goes on this years or next years TPP, essentially we are paying for a player that won't be at the club, which can also push the salary cap up above the allowed limit.

The example you mentioned re: Juice/ Jetta this year was smart financial management in Juice's case. The club de-listed them and then picked them up in the rookie draft, any club could have picked them up in the main draft or rookie draft if they wanted. As per the example above, the player is guaranteed a some of money over a period of time and you have to pay it to them, rookieing them allows you to pay that amount to them, however the rookie list is outside the main salary cap, as such you're saving a bit of $$ while keeping him around if he comes good. In Jetta's case, because he's played a certain number of games, it will likely be costing the club a bit, because match payments for rookie players fall under the main salary cap, however he's proved that he's worth keeping around. This is just looking at it from a TPP point of view, the club's financial situation may also have some bearing on it as paying someone out is a large financial burden (even if they aren't on mega dollars).

There's also the situation where you trade a player out with years remaining and the contract at their new club is of less monetary value, eg. Woey. He was traded to Collingwood on less money per year with 2(?) years remaining on his contract. We then paid the difference between his contract and the Collingwood contract for those two years, which I believe would have fallen under the salary cap.

[jnrmac 18,954]

The example you mentioned re: Juice/ Jetta this year was smart financial management in Juice's case. The club de-listed them and then picked them up in the rookie draft, any club could have picked them up in the main draft or rookie draft if they wanted.

No club would have been that stupid except for us.

[dazzledavey36 48,737]

Evans is much better footballer than Grimes.

Although, that isn't a massive feat.

Absolutely not. Evans has diabolical disposal and has nothing that stands out. Will be delisted this year.

Atleast Grimes is courageous can mark and beat his opponent.

[whatwhat say what 18,919]

grimes is like a broadbent / pittard for port adelaide, or a rhyce shaw for the swans - you know that he'll go out there and give his all. some days his disposal and decision-making will make you tear your hair out in frustration, other days he'll take intercept marks and spearhead attacking rebounds like it's nobody's business.

[jnrmac 18,954]

If grimes was in a good team he would be a solid player

But he's not. So how are you left now?

[Deecisive 1,651]

I think we have more pressing players to dispose of than Grime at this stage, Grimes has some good skills and attributes, but needs to think more about some of his decision making and take more care with his disposals, not the worst on our list by far.

[old dee 22,852]

Absolutely not. Evans has diabolical disposal and has nothing that stands out. Will be delisted this year.

Atleast Grimes is courageous can mark and beat his opponent.

Fairly confident Evans has a contract for 2015 dd

So unless you want to pay him out he will be around in 2015

[dazzledavey36 48,737]

Fairly confident Evans has a contract for 2015 dd

So unless you want to pay him out he will be around in 2015

Hope we pay him out.

[old dee 22,852]

Hope we pay him out.

Also confident we not in a financial position to be playing out players in this situation

Also what does it say to potential recruits?

We will have plenty of spots to fill between the ones who are already gone and the ones who have contracts expiring this year.

From my reckoning that will be about eight.

It is not easy to find eight players better than the ones you are letting go.

[Deespicable 2,547]

Fairly confident Evans has a contract for 2015 dd

So unless you want to pay him out he will be around in 2015

Yes you are right Evans does have a contract, but that doesn't mean we can't delist him.

Every year, every club has one or two players they have to weigh up whether to break their contract.

It's not as if he's on big bucks and will cause a salary cap blowout because we still have to pay him.

In his case, the contract extension came about under Neeld, so if Roosy doesn't see any future in him, why would he keep him.

As to the guy saying Evans is better than Grimes, ignore him - he's just stirring or is from another planet.

[Macca 16,173]

In all reality, 2 more off seasons are needed if we're fair dinkum about restructuring our list properly.

We've got a core of players who can make our W/L record a lot better (say, progressing to at least 8-10 wins next season ) but ... we badly need an influx of genuine talent if we're going to contend in the top half of the ladder. No startling news there but what has hamstrung our club in the past is the way we overrate our players (both from a supporters point of view and a clubs point of view)

The good news is that Roos isn't the type to overrate a player and the future looks a lot brighter for our club because he thinks that way. Roos is an excellent judge of a footballer and we hired a lot more than just a match day coach.

He, along with Viney, Stone and co just need the time to sort things out. There are no quick fixes but if we draw some comparisons to last year's off season, we're well and truly on the right track.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Macca

[Demon Dynasty 15,414]

Clisby has played 10 games in the VFL, spent 5 games on the sidelines with a quad injury this year. Judging by the VFL reports on the club website the knocks have been that he hasn't been getting the ball in damaging spots (ie, he's the sideways target in the backline) and that his defensive work isn't up to the level required (which appears to be a deal breaker for paul roos).

He gets decent numbers in the VFL, however as he plays as a HBF and hasn't had a look in while the likes of Terlich/ M.Jones have played that role I'd think he'd be worried. He's 24 turning 25 in January, he's had 2 (full?) pre-seasons, would think the development is limited from here on in. Same boat as Strauss for mine, would be lucky to keep his spot on the list.

Thanks for that Beats

I truly hope he gets a run in the last few games if on the cusp of going.

Not saying he's a world beater but you don't know if you don't give someone this opp. Seen worse inclusions over the decades.

[whatwhat say what 18,919]

Strauss makes Daniel Bell look a quality afl level player.

He's no chance to be on the list next year.

[Maggot 1977 263]

2015

Clark - Retired.

McKenzie - should look at trade or keep on next year as surplus - should not be picked IMO until he can demonstrate a vast improvement in disposal. IMO a DUD

Evans - delist and pay out - IMO never going to take the club forward in any shape or form

Fitzpatrick - offer him on the trade table , but may be offer depth up Forward / ruck

2014

Frawley - Gone ,

Tapscott - Delist,

Blease - Delist,

Strauss - Delist,

Bail - offer 1 year deal

Byrnes - retired.

Terlich - offer 1 year deal

Clisby- - Delist.

Riley - like the looks of him - 2 year deal

Nicholson - Delist

Harmes - Keep on Rookie list

King - Keep on Rookie list

Georgiou - don't know what to make of him ?

Jetta - upgrade 2 year deal.

[Machsy 2,856]

You can cancel a contract at any time, however the financial implications of doing so make it very difficult. The player has been guaranteed an amount of money over a certain time frame, if you end the contract part way through the time frame you are required to pay out the remaining balance on the contract at that time. In most situations the remaining balance would be included on the TPP in the year it was cancelled, however depending on the circumstances you can apply it to following years. Eg. We delist Evans with a year remaining, the amount we pay out either goes on this years or next years TPP, essentially we are paying for a player that won't be at the club, which can also push the salary cap up above the allowed limit.

The example you mentioned re: Juice/ Jetta this year was smart financial management in Juice's case. The club de-listed them and then picked them up in the rookie draft, any club could have picked them up in the main draft or rookie draft if they wanted. As per the example above, the player is guaranteed a some of money over a period of time and you have to pay it to them, rookieing them allows you to pay that amount to them, however the rookie list is outside the main salary cap, as such you're saving a bit of $$ while keeping him around if he comes good. In Jetta's case, because he's played a certain number of games, it will likely be costing the club a bit, because match payments for rookie players fall under the main salary cap, however he's proved that he's worth keeping around. This is just looking at it from a TPP point of view, the club's financial situation may also have some bearing on it as paying someone out is a large financial burden (even if they aren't on mega dollars).

There's also the situation where you trade a player out with years remaining and the contract at their new club is of less monetary value, eg. Woey. He was traded to Collingwood on less money per year with 2(?) years remaining on his contract. We then paid the difference between his contract and the Collingwood contract for those two years, which I believe would have fallen under the salary cap.

But how does that look to other players we are trying to recruit or retain in the future?

What manager would recommend going to a club that regularly pays out contracts, effectively announcing to the world "this kid is such a dud, that we'd rather pay him to leave"..?

[Dwight Schrute 16,751]

Also confident we not in a financial position to be playing out players in this situation

Also what does it say to potential recruits?

We will have plenty of spots to fill between the ones who are already gone and the ones who have contracts expiring this year.

From my reckoning that will be about eight.

It is not easy to find eight players better than the ones you are letting go.

Says if you're no good and rotting at Casey we will not hesitate to cut you down

[beelzebub 22,225]

maybe better here ( reposted from other board , apologies )

The bleeding obvious :

Clark

Byrnes

Frawley

The likely's:

Strauss

Blease

Nicholson

Terlich

Tapscott

Clisby

The quite possibly's

Mckenzie...delsit probably go into ND

Bail..delist...into ND

Fitzy....good candidate for a trade

Would entertain trades:

Watts

Garland

M Jones

Evans

Grimes

[Deespicable 2,547]

maybe better here ( reposted from other board , apologies )

The bleeding obvious :

Clark

Byrnes

Frawley

The likely's:

Strauss

Blease

Nicholson

Terlich

Tapscott

Clisby

The quite possibly's

Mckenzie...delsit probably go into ND

Bail..delist...into ND

Fitzy....good candidate for a trade

Would entertain trades:

Watts

Garland

M Jones

Evans

Grimes

I'm happy with your assessment, except Evans and M.Jones would have zero trade value.

Blease and Tapscott would both be more likely to draw interest from other clubs.

I personally still would keep Grimes - I'm one of the few here who rates him for his courage and smarts and I tend to downplay his turnovers.

I'd also like to see what Garland can do as a forward - that's what he was drafted as.

[beelzebub 22,225]

I'm happy with your assessment, except Evans and M.Jones would have zero trade value.

Blease and Tapscott would both be more likely to draw interest from other clubs.

I personally still would keep Grimes - I'm one of the few here who rates him for his courage and smarts and I tend to downplay his turnovers.

I'd also like to see what Garland can do as a forward - that's what he was drafted as.

The reasoning behind some trades is they are contracted so thats how we move them on. Some trading is done with pick exchanges and a sweetener. It might happen

some are at the end of contract so wont be traded

[AzzKikA 2,369]

Any know when the next round of de-listings will be?

I can't wait to see who they will be!