Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[Sir Why You Little 35,288]

The story has been flying about for months apparently. With Healy rumoured to have have given his thoughts to AA as far back as April/May of 2012. Possibly after this conference:

She is nowhere on this and while she has had the bit between her teeth with us she has been beaten to the punch on the greater controversies of Adelaide's cap cheating and Essendon's possible systemic doping.

You mention 'a good starting article'...

Where was our 'good starting article?'

CW drove our story and went overboard with her accusations. She will have to quickly realise how much doping is far worse than experimentation or she will embarrass herself.

absolutely. WADA could rip the AFL to shreds over this.

Little Jimmy Hird is in a bit of strife...

[olisik 4,060]

I'm a fair bloke, I'll give you 23 clues!

Will need an eye of a hawk to figure this one out.

[DeeVoted 582]

Just think if the old supplement list was still in vogue (now the rookie list) the bummers would have approx 38 players on that list

leaving approx 3 on their main list. just a thought,read nothing into that.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Robbo from HS has tweeted that the AFL have stood down players after a strike, "general soreness"......

Think of players who have missed blocks of games with mystery injuries. Maybe a hammy that was 1 week that become 4.........

Thae AFL commission are making a balls up of all this, & other stuff.

Now players who go out with soreness will be looked at with suspicion! Idiots.

[dee-luded 2,958]

I am reading Wilson right now. She goes in fairly hard. The personal attacks are not there.

But if these allegations are correct Essendon are finished.

I expect the league will want an answer before Round 1 considering the WADA bans are so strong...a year of this will not be wanted.

I'd like to see that!

[Striker475 696]

Just to clarify.

- Players would be individually charged by the ASADA and charged. There is a 2-year penalty for a first offence.

- The club, the coaching staff etc. would all be dealt with by the AFL.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Im just happy that its not the MFC I the paper for once.

If they do find something the players who took the stuff could be rubbed out for up to 2 years.

I hope Essendon get done for this, pack of arregent wankers..

[DemonWA 3,604]

Wonder how all the bomber fans are feeling now?

Doping is on another level to bottoming out for draft picks. If we were at the center of doping allegations i'd feel betrayed by the club

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The story has been flying about for months apparently. With Healy rumoured to have have given his thoughts to AA as far back as April/May of 2012. Possibly after this conference:

She is nowhere on this and while she has had the bit between her teeth with us she has been beaten to the punch on the greater controversies of Adelaide's cap cheating and Essendon's possible systemic doping.

You mention 'a good starting article'...

Where was our 'good starting article?'

CW drove our story and went overboard with her accusations. She will have to quickly realise how much doping is far worse than experimentation or she will embarrass herself.

The rumour might have been flying for some months. And she wasnt breaking news but assessing the implications of the EFC reactions. And she raised a pertinent questions about Hird's alleged ignorance of goings on and implications for the Club and the AFL.

She did cover the Adelaide issue and bucketed both Adelaide and Trigg for it. And rightly so.

I am not sure MFC for all its comedic efforts in so many areas was deserving of good starting article. Just remember not everyone buys your we were the victims of circumstance.

[binman 39,369]

Just to clarify.

- Players would be individually charged by the ASADA and charged. There is a 2-year penalty for a first offence.

- The club, the coaching staff etc. would all be dealt with by the AFL.

I don't think that's entirely true actually. The AFL might impose their own sanctions but according to someone on radio this morning (ex head of ASADA?) any one proven to be involved in the supply, use etc of a performance enhancing drug can be sanctioned by ASADA.

Also whilst the sanction for a first strike is 2 years the penalty under certain circumstances, can be halved (it can also be increased, if for instance it involves a player distributing)

Edited February 6, 2013 by binman

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

absolutely. WADA could rip the AFL to shreds over this.

Little Jimmy Hird is in a bit of strife...

Exactly what Caro concluded. Well done.

[P-man 13,309]

Hird looked shell shocked at the presser, understandably. To me he looked like a man who was just finding out about this. Agree that ignorance is no excuse, but that was my reading of it.

[sue 8,573]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is an interesting article in crikey.com today about this. You can see the full article if you set up a 2 week free trial sub (no credit card needed). Here are a few exerts:

Dr Robin Willcourt, who runs the Epigenx Integrated Medicine practice at South Yarra's Como Centre in Melbourne, told Crikey this morning Dank and his boss, Dean "the Weapon" Robinson, had came to see him last year about a proposed medical regime for Bombers stars.

"We talked with Steve and Dean about the use of peptides and other supplements, but what they did with that information I don't know," Willcourt said. A script was never written, and the duo went elsewhere.

Willcourt says the Bombers' blood readings made for uncomfortable reading.

... Steve swore up and down that the players weren't using peptides ... I was totally torn looking at their results because I'm looking at these players thinking 'man, you need help'. It was a very frustrating position to be in.

"The problem with that is that when you're a footy player and you're working your guts out and you get injured you just don't repair properly. You just see the players getting more and more injured as time goes by."

Willcourt says he thought a lot of Essendon players were taking bovine colostrum -- a substance that, while not illegal, includes an agent called IGF-1, regarded as a banned substance by the International Olympic Committee and the World Anti-Doping Agency. He says it's possible Dank or the club had later secured peptides from another provider.

"Dank was also very interested in getting placental extracts and stuff like I said to him that I didn't think they would do any good," he said. Robinson, the subject of intense media interest last year after his hiring, is a "terrific fellow" and a "fantastic chap". He has since been stood down.

A pharmacist at the adjacent Como Compounding Pharmacy, Nima Alavi, told Crikey today that Dank had visited 12 months ago and was "coming in proposing all sorts of crazy things. But we don't really get involved in that sort of stuff."

[The Chazz 4,077]

My late father always told me "Essendon are a bunch of pricks". I didn't realise he was talking about the needle holes all over their bodies.

[monoccular 16,547]

Hird looked shell shocked at the presser, understandably. To me he looked like a man who was just finding out about this. Agree that ignorance is no excuse, but that was my reading of it.

Who knows: either complicit, or incompetent as a coach and leader. Has to be one or the other.

And I ask again, has Jimmy's puppeteer, Thompson, been seen in the last few days?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is an interesting article in crikey.com today about this. You can see the full article if you set up a 2 week free trial sub (no credit card needed). Here are a few exerts:

Dr Robin Willcourt, who runs the Epigenx Integrated Medicine practice at South Yarra's Como Centre in Melbourne, told Crikey this morning Dank and his boss, Dean "the Weapon" Robinson, had came to see him last year about a proposed medical regime for Bombers stars.

"We talked with Steve and Dean about the use of peptides and other supplements, but what they did with that information I don't know," Willcourt said. A script was never written, and the duo went elsewhere.

Willcourt says the Bombers' blood readings made for uncomfortable reading.

... Steve swore up and down that the players weren't using peptides ... I was totally torn looking at their results because I'm looking at these players thinking 'man, you need help'. It was a very frustrating position to be in.

"The problem with that is that when you're a footy player and you're working your guts out and you get injured you just don't repair properly. You just see the players getting more and more injured as time goes by."

Willcourt says he thought a lot of Essendon players were taking bovine colostrum -- a substance that, while not illegal, includes an agent called IGF-1, regarded as a banned substance by the International Olympic Committee and the World Anti-Doping Agency. He says it's possible Dank or the club had later secured peptides from another provider.

"Dank was also very interested in getting placental extracts and stuff like I said to him that I didn't think they would do any good," he said. Robinson, the subject of intense media interest last year after his hiring, is a "terrific fellow" and a "fantastic chap". He has since been stood down.

A pharmacist at the adjacent Como Compounding Pharmacy, Nima Alavi, told Crikey today that Dank had visited 12 months ago and was "coming in proposing all sorts of crazy things. But we don't really get involved in that sort of stuff."

Do Doctors or pharmacists have a professional or legal obligation to report such findings to ASADA/AMA or the some other body? If so did they do this?

[demoniac 1,246]

patrick Smith wrote about it in the Australian this morning.

If correct the 3 strike system is a complete waste of time.

Vlad's term in office is certainly turning into a Situation comedy.

A strike does not necesarrily trigger the 'standing down' as I read the article. Decision is made by club medico that player is not ready to play ie that rehab for drugs/alchols/gambling takes precedence.

[binman 39,369]

A strike does not necesarrily trigger the 'standing down' as I read the article. Decision is made by club medico that player is not ready to play ie that rehab for drugs/alchols/gambling takes precedence.

I wonder if this issue is that they may be at risk of testing positive on match day?

[old55 21,816]

Dean Wallis picked up the prescription in his Essendon polo shirt?

[dee-luded 2,958]

I wonder if this issue is that they may be at risk of testing positive on match day?

I wonder if ASADA is going to get any stored blood tests & urine tests from AFL players from the last year or 2, & Re Test them.

some high profile & seemingly high flying players may have something to be concerned about. and they even go over to their high altitude hide away, after being naughty boys or injured, to regain 'Fitness'...?

What is it they are pushing boundaries on?

whats in the air, or water over there?

[dee-luded 2,958]

the dons new flyer

LoL, nice work 'W'.

[Akum 2,660]

The whole point about this is that there seems to be a helluva lot of information floating around about it in one place or another in an uncontrollable fashion, and there may well be a lot more to come.

[dee-luded 2,958]

How I feel a sense of Kama is going around

Keil reimers who fell off the pace last year,,, & now has refused to be drafted by other clubs in 2012 pre & rookie drafts has reurned to WA...

How is it he fell behind, when other just got bigger?

Reimers rejects Carlton, and the AFL

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/reimers-rejects-carlton-and-the-afl-20121206-2axns.html

Essendon engulfed by drug controversy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-engulfed-by-drug-controversy-20130205-2dwmb.html

[ Former Essendon player Kyle Reimers told Channel Nine that the club knew it was pushing the boundaries with its fitness program.

''From what they were saying, it was right on the borderline of what they were going to give us,'' he said.

''Everyone signed it, it was a personal choice as to whether they took it … it does seem very odd, the type of stuff we were taking.
They admitted to us it was right on the edge of the levels you could be taking.'' ]

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-engulfed-by-drug-controversy-20130205-2dwmb.html#ixzz2K60v44SO

[daisycutter 28,713]

Dr Robin Willcourt has disputed crikey.com's version of his encounter with the weapon and Dank on an interview with 3aw a few minutes ago

said nothing unethical was discussed and the blood test figures discussed were ones of below average levels of testosterone and other tests (i.e. not high figures)

just passing on....

[DeeVoted 582]

Cale Morton after an invite from Dank, then a few trips back and forth to see the Nurse.

But his fate was sealed when the Dees drafted him.