Lack of facilities - still?

[sue 8,450]

What Lloyd says here is a bit of a worry:

The off-field battle rages

[Arrow 1,257]

That's a load of sh!t I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game. Some players find them uncomfortable and I'd expect players like Jones wouldn't be expected too, you know what you'll get, but the reporting here is simply unfactual from a person I am still bewildered how he got a job in media.

[Cards13 9,117]

That's a load of sh!t I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game. Some players find them uncomfortable and I'd expect players like Jones wouldn't be expected too, you know what you'll get, but the reporting here is simply unfactual from a person I am still bewildered how he got a job in media.

SO again MFC players are talking sh! t to people in and around the game?! Or as Lloyd said "every session" so I assume training not just game day.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Nothing new at all being said. I guess if its repeated enough then it might sink into the general public about the extent of the gulf between rich and poor.

But what he said is accurate.

And MFC are indeed battling to compete in a market where the high jump bar for football operations is rising in costs, sophistication and expertise.

Up to now MFC have struggled in all three categories.

That's a load of sh!t I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game. Some players find them uncomfortable and I'd expect players like Jones wouldn't be expected too, you know what you'll get, but the reporting here is simply unfactual from a person I am still bewildered how he got a job in media.

Ha Ha!

I think I would trust Mathew Lloyds judgement on a matter than a faceless know all who thinks every player is expected to wear a GPS and Jones would not be expected too. Bizarre.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,499]

That's a load of sh!t I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game. Some players find them uncomfortable and I'd expect players like Jones wouldn't be expected too, you know what you'll get, but the reporting here is simply unfactual from a person I am still bewildered how he got a job in media.

He's talking about training not matchday.

Spending all of my time at Essendon, I thought it was standard practice that every player was monitored throughout every session with GPS data to get 100 per cent accuracy on workload and fatigue. This, obviously, costs money but I was shocked to hear that in 2012 only some players at the Dogs and Demons can be monitored each session as they don't have the funds to monitor all players.

[Arrow 1,257]

If they have enough to use on both MFC's Casey and Melbourne players to me it suggests we own 40+ GPS' and once you've purchased them, that is 90% of the cost. There are no running costs it sends the info straight to a computer and takes one person to evaluate it.

We own the GPS' so I don't understand how he suggests we can't afford to use them at training. There are no costs to run them..

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

You have gone from 100% knowing to starting with a conditional statement and at least admitting you dont understand. I'll back Lloyd's article.

[Arrow 1,257]

Nothing new at all being said. I guess if its repeated enough then it might sink into the general public about the extent of the gulf between rich and poor.

But what he said is accurate.

And MFC are indeed battling to compete in a market where the high jump bar for football operations is rising in costs, sophistication and expertise.

Up to now MFC have struggled in all three categories.

Ha Ha!

I think I would trust Mathew Lloyds judgement on a matter than a faceless know all who thinks every player is expected to wear a GPS and Jones would not be expected too. Bizarre.

If you think Nathan Jones wearing a GPS in Round 23 will give you any information you didn't already know, you're pretty thick.

Who do you think MFC are more concerned about with how hard they are working.. Nathan Jones or a handful of rookies and mid-range players.... Hmmm

[Dr. Gonzo 22,499]

It's not just about how hard they would be working clearly. It is monitoring their output so they can adjust their training schedules based on how much they run on gameday, what pace they are going, where they are moving to etc. It's not just a stick to whack them with by saying "you only ran 5k's on your GPS stats".

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

If you think Nathan Jones wearing a GPS in Round 23 will give you any information you didn't already know, you're pretty thick.

Who do you think MFC are more concerned about with how hard they are working.. Nathan Jones or a handful of rookies and mid-range players.... Hmmm

Your earlier comment had nothing to do with Round 23. And given "I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game." then its plausible he was wearing a GPS. And GPS is used for a number of reasons including workload on rookies and mid range players.

It's not just about how hard they would be working clearly. It is monitoring their output so they can adjust their training schedules based on how much they run on gameday, what pace they are going, where they are moving to etc. It's not just a stick to whack them with by saying "you only ran 5k's on your GPS stats".

Exactly. But we are dealing with someone who knows more than Mathew Lloyd here. Marvellous.

[rpfc 27,508]

Lloyd said 'wearing GPS AT TRAINING' so every session could be monitored.

Surely no-one is here is going to make judgements on our lack of resources based on that?

We can discuss whether GPS data in every session for every player is as useful as Lloyd thinks it is.

And we can also discuss whether or not that in-and-of-itself is enough evidence to call us behind the better teams on necessities required to compete.

[Arrow 1,257]

Your earlier comment had nothing to do with Round 23. And given "I know for 100% fact every player is expected to wear a GPS every week in game." then its plausible he was wearing a GPS. And GPS is used for a number of reasons including workload on rookies and mid range players.

Exactly. But we are dealing with someone who knows more than Mathew Lloyd here. Marvellous.

Never suggested that I know more about AFL but I'm sick of being whacked pillar to post for what is wrong with our club. We have excellent resources and yes I am 100% sure we own the GPS' to put them on our players for each and every session, whether we choose to or not I do not know, but that isn't about availability of resources but simply what would be a choice for the coach.

If the article read Neeld is behind the big clubs because they use GPS' every training than I would be none the wiser to say whether we were or were not in other teams ballpark but to say we don't have the resources is incorrect. If you've been to training or the games you can see players wearing them and they are prevalent.

Rhino if you ever want to add to a topic as opposed to being a spawn of Kyle Sandilands, I'll be eagerly awaiting to hear your insightful thoughts.

[Ash82 10]

Do you seriously think Mark Neeld and Dave Misson would allow this to happen given they have both come from elite programs? Melbourne while not in the upper echelon of football department spenders certainly aren't in the bottom few after last years revolution of the FD.

Matthew Lloyd is an idiot and has lazily attached Melbourne as a struggling club way behind the top clubs in elite performance. Maybe in 2011 not 2012.

Would like to know who he has 'spoken to' from Melbourne. I wouldn't be surprised if he just threw that in there to give his article some form of credibility. Moron.

[daisycutter 28,597]

Would like to know who he has 'spoken to' from Melbourne. I wouldn't be surprised of he just threw that in there to give his article some form of credibility. Moron.

he probably spoke to Bluey, ash

[Sir Why You Little 34,595]

I would be interested to hear Dave Misson's angle on this story.

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

Just another of the many inconsistencies I keep hearing about our club. On one hand we are are supposed to have a war chest ready to be cracked open to lure champions to our club. Then we need fund raisers to lure them. Now there are stories we are are still on poverty row on the development front.

Still blazers look much more stylish on players than GPS units.

[Jarka 767]

I think I would trust Mathew Lloyds judgement on a matter than a faceless know all who thinks every player is expected to wear a GPS and Jones would not be expected too. Bizarre.

Lloyd has a reputation for talking shiite in a desperate attempt to become relevant, he also has history with taking pot shots at Melbourne. Only a foolish person with disregard everything he says but only the naive would blindly accept his word as gospel

[Jarka 767]

Just another of the many inconsistencies I keep hearing about our club. One one hand we are are supposed to have a war chest ready to be cracked open to lure champions to our club. Then we need fund raisers to lure them. Now there are stories we are are still on poverty row on the development front. Still blazers look much more stylish on players than GPS units.

Seriously people, calm down. The papers are full of [censored] stories like this, it's been proven time and time again. I don't understand why someone wants to stick it to the club on the basis of some idiot in the media and without any shred of evidence to back up these claims.

[Arrow 1,257]

Lloyd has a reputation for talking shiite in a desperate attempt to become relevant, he also has history with taking pot shots at Melbourne. Only a foolish person with disregard everything he says but only the naive would blindly accept his word as gospel

That's exactly right Jarka and you've made my point in a far more efficient way.

He picks two of the poorer clubs who are both at the bottom of the ladder and blames it on our lack of resources. He probably interviewed Adem Yze and asked him how often we used GPS systems.

Who will hold Lloyd accountable for naming his sources that gave him this info? No one. Gone are the days were you could expect an article as fact, there is more accountability of 'Land; at least we pry out sources when people talk rumours.

[Deers 202]

Peter Rowsthorn, a wealthy businessmen, invested $61 million into a state-of-the-art thoroughbred racing facility in the Victorian country town of Tylden. The technology and infrastructure would rival those at Godolphin's Dubai base and Coolmore's Ballydoyle empire.

Three years on and Rowsthorn closed down the racing & training arm of his business in July; with it he sold all of Wadham Park's racing stock. Their best result on the track was La Rocket escaping with a weight-for-age Group Two win leading all the way.

He spent millions on blueblood yearlings (including $1.8 million on the first foal out of Golden Slipper winner Ha Ha) but had nothing to show for his expenses.

My point is this: If a club can't identify talent from the start then facilities mean nothing.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Everyone knows lying is the second language of the A.F.L.

I'm sure we are behind in cash when it comes to some other clubs but I don't think wearing a GPS at training to going to be the difference between winning and not winning a periemiership.

I [censored] hate Lloyd, he was a sook as a player and he's a sook as commentator.

[IRW 1,246]

As long as Watts wears GPS I dont much care myself.

Mind you having to wax with the League bozos for use of the wind swept paddock on Swan Street, and presumably all the other facilities, doesnt sound like' elite' to me, no matter how much people repeat it.

Richmond over the road with their own dedicated and private oval seem light years ahead imo.

[Cards13 9,117]

As long as Watts wears GPS I dont much care myself.

Mind you having to wax with the League bozos for use of the wind swept paddock on Swan Street, and presumably all the other facilities, doesnt sound like' elite' to me, no matter how much people repeat it.

Richmond over the road with their own dedicated and private oval seem light years ahead imo.

Dont Rich spend time out at Craigeburn training?

We will have our own oval from the time Pies move into there new oval up the road.

[My TD 156]

Surely GPS for every training session is overrated.

eg. If Misson tells 'em to jog 3 laps of the oval and then follow up with 3x200 at 3/4 pace and then 4x100s at top pace I'm sure he'd have a fair Idea how far they'd run and at what energy expenditure , GPS or not.

Games however would be another story.

Edited September 23, 2012 by My TD

[Ouch! 2,040]

Surely GPS for every training session is overrated.

eg. If Misson tells 'em to jog 3 laps of the oval and then follow up with 3x200 at 3/4 pace and then 4x100s at top pace I'm sure he'd have a fair Idea how far they'd run and at what energy expenditure , GPS or not.

Games however would be another story.

GPS isn't just about tracking how much they run. It monitors how hard they go for how long, whether they are moving into the right areas of the ground. I would imagine it would be very important in terms of sports science, and monitoring the workloads of players. The program Misson developed at Sydney was crucial in their 2005 premiership year, and he was able to almost predict when players would be vulnerable to workload related injuries.... their injury run that year was nothing short of amazing....