Oliver Wines

[daisycutter 29,613]

Oliver Wins

....or does he....................stay tuned to demonland...................where dreams are smashed

[Sambo06 222]

You can do what you wish.

This club has made some shocking recruitment decisions over the past 5 years, many believe a lot longer.

Jimmy has shown very little to get excited about so far. Sadly that is a fact.

I wanted to see best mates Jack Viney & Ollie Wines play together. It didn't happen.

I continue to be very annoyed.....

Big Fish, Little Pond. Come back in 2 or 3 years. Annoyed...Lol.

[picket fence 17,142]

Seriously get over yourself PF.

We have Toumpad they have Wines. Whats done is done and I will continue to support Jimmy throughout his career with us and so should you.

Happy to support when he goes harder at the footy, no problem with that!

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

Happy to support when he goes harder at the footy, no problem with that!

I seriously doubt Wines would have had anything like the impact he has had for Port if he played for us, it's abit easier when you have guys like Boak and kornes around you

[bing181 9,218]

Really happy to have Jimmy at the club.

[old dee 23,787]

This is a fruitless discussion.

We picked the wrong guy again.

It is not reversible

Lets get on with finding a good player in the 2014 draft.

There is not much doubt we will have an early pick.

Edited March 9, 2014 by old dee

[beelzebub 23,348]

This is a fruitless discussion.

We picked the wrong guy again.

It is not reversible

Lets get on with finding a good player in the 2014 draft.

There is no much doubt we will have an early pick.

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[stuie 7,374]

Happy to support when he goes harder at the footy, no problem with that!

I could not be sicker of people who think every single player should be a pack busting tough as nails ball winner. If we had 18 blokes who were "see ball, get ball" who the hell would they kick it to?

Ridiculous comment.

[Alcho Dee 269]

I could not be sicker of people who think every single player should be a pack busting tough as nails ball winner. If we had 18 blokes who were "see ball, get ball" who the hell would they kick it to?

Ridiculous comment.

When comparing someone who goes and gets the ball by putting their head over it compared to one who get bowled out of the way.....how is that ridiculous?

[stuie 7,374]

When comparing someone who goes and gets the ball by putting their head over it compared to one who get bowled out of the way.....how is that ridiculous?

Ask Paul Roos if he wants 22 guys playing the same role on match day...

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

When comparing someone who goes and gets the ball by putting their head over it compared to one who get bowled out of the way.....how is that ridiculous?

we need role players, Toumpas has elite skills and game sense, with time and confidence he will be able to show how damaging he can be as an outside player, and we have Chunk, Cross, Trengove and Viney going in and getting the ball to him in the meantime, Salem will be much the same when he starts playing at AFL level

[old dee 23,787]

I could not be sicker of people who think every single player should be a pack busting tough as nails ball winner. If we had 18 blokes who were "see ball, get ball" who the hell would they kick it to?

Ridiculous comment.

We are half way there.

See ball

Watch other team get ball.

Just need to change the second part.

[Crompton's the man 659]

We are half way there.

See ball

Watch other team get ball.

Just need to change the second part.

Rome was not built in a day

[rjay 24,917]

Ask Paul Roos if he wants 22 guys playing the same role on match day...

I understand your point 'stuie' re Toumpas but if you really asked Roos I think he would want the same type of player in his midfield. Tough, strong, head over the ball, run forward and back, contested ball winners who also spread. Sounds a bit like the Sydney midfield. I don't agree with the idea of inside and outside players, all players need to be able to get their own ball and all players need to know how to use it.

we need role players, Toumpas has elite skills and game sense, with time and confidence he will be able to show how damaging he can be as an outside player, and we have Chunk, Cross, Trengove and Viney going in and getting the ball to him in the meantime, Salem will be much the same when he starts playing at AFL level

Jimmy has been disappointing to date but he has time to get it right. So far he hasn't shown game sense as he hasn't got to where the ball is enough. As for elite skills he certainly has a good kicking style but has often got it wrong in application.

Don't assume Salem is the same type of player as Toumpas because they look alike. Salem at junior level was known for his attack on the ball and tackling plus of course his long left foot.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,388]

Toumpas turned 20 just over 8 weeks ago, his career must nearly be over. Viney is 19, Trengove 22, Salem 18, Tyson 20. They are KIDS, they're not men yet. In those five we have the makings of a quality midfield with both inside and out side players, but they need time. Our club is coming from a long way behind the 8ball. If Roos chooses not to stay longer than two years we can only hope the likes of George Stone does.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Al's Demons

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,388]

Forgot Michie at 22.

[Alcho Dee 269]

Ask Paul Roos if he wants 22 guys playing the same role on match day...

Wines would fit into anyone's game plan, because he goes hard and gets the ball. Inside or outside WGAF Toumpas needs to start racking up numbers.

[stuie 7,374]

Wines would fit into anyone's game plan, because he goes hard and gets the ball. Inside or outside WGAF Toumpas needs to start racking up numbers.

I wasn't talking about Wines, I was talking about Toumpas. I love Wines and would be wrapped if he was a demon, but bagging out Toumpas because he's not an inside hard nut shows you have no understanding of the idea of different roles in a footy team, especially under someone who's as big on roles as Paul Roos.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Wines isn't an outside player with precision skills, but he crashes into contests, wins the ball and gets a lot of possessions quickly and can seriously impact games. He looks like a star. If Toumpas is a soft outside player who we need for versatility, then he isn't a good enough soft outside player, or at least yet. He doesn't look like the devastating type, he moves around a bit awkwardly and doesn't really dictate play and win enough of the ball. You can't simply get by with skills, you need awareness, pace, hardness- all things Toump is lacking in to make an impact at AFL level

[Sambo06 222]

Wines isn't an outside player with precision skills, but he crashes into contests, wins the ball and gets a lot of possessions quickly and can seriously impact games. He looks like a star. If Toumpas is a soft outside player who we need for versatility, then he isn't a good enough soft outside player, or at least yet. He doesn't look like the devastating type, he moves around a bit awkwardly and doesn't really dictate play and win enough of the ball. You can't simply get by with skills, you need awareness, pace, hardness- all things Toump is lacking in to make an impact at AFL level

Toumpas = Mitchell, Hodge, Bartel -all speedy blokes LOL! Ollie is great, long live Ollie in PA. LOL!Toump is going to be a star. Soft is he? Refer Geelong.

[bing181 9,218]

We picked the wrong guy again.

That's a bold prediction regarding a 20 year old who's just completed his first pre-season OD!

[Sambo06 222]

Wines would fit into anyone's game plan, because he goes hard and gets the ball. Inside or outside WGAF Toumpas needs to start racking up numbers.

Numbers!! Ollie averaged 19 per game on a full preseason with no injuries. Toump's last 6 games average was 16 disposals. Started from a long way back and came good the further the season went on. It's only pre season ffs. You show your ignorance and your complete and utter lack of footy nous, you need a mix of players JVF. Can't all be inside beasts. If you watch closely, you would see the Roos plan with inside mids Cross, Tyson, Jones and Vince etc fighting for ball and Toump playing high half forward then following packs and staying outside for handball gives and to block if ball comes out the back. Numbers are hard to get in our forward line at the moment moron. At least try to understand a game plan.

[stuie 7,374]

Wines isn't an outside player with precision skills, but he crashes into contests, wins the ball and gets a lot of possessions quickly and can seriously impact games. He looks like a star. If Toumpas is a soft outside player who we need for versatility, then he isn't a good enough soft outside player, or at least yet. He doesn't look like the devastating type, he moves around a bit awkwardly and doesn't really dictate play and win enough of the ball. You can't simply get by with skills, you need awareness, pace, hardness- all things Toump is lacking in to make an impact at AFL level

Toumpas has played one season in one of the worst midfields of all time under a rubbish coach with hips recovering from surgery. All of you judging his career over already must of only started watching footy in 2013. Far out.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Ask Paul Roos if he wants 22 guys playing the same role on match day...

Barry Hall confirmed on TV recently that Roos requires 2 fundamentals from his footy sides, winning contested footy and tackling pressure.

The only player at Sydney that I don't consider strong in those combinations is Jetta, but his line breaking ability is rare.

Toumpas was drafted as a mid, so will need to greatly improve in those areas, which I'm sure he will. If Roos was coach last year I doubt Toumpas would have played a game. So you're right to say we need to give him time and good development. But it if we have a Jetta type in our team it won't be Toumpas.

[Redleg 40,895]

We are half way there.

See ball

Watch other team get ball.

Just need to change the second part.

Disagree.

Our problem has been, see ball, get ball, give ball to opposition.

We only have to change one of those, the last, to keep ball.