A few thoughts - Cameron Schwab

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

For those sprouting that all other clubs have FOJ sponsorship ( bar PA) and we dont - are you aware of how much each club gets for their FOJand BOJ sponsorship ? How does the compare with what we are getting from EW ? What is the total amount of our sponsorship compared with other clubs ?

I think these broader questions are the benchmark for how our commercial division is performing rather than worrying about one name on the front of our jumper.

Sanity prevails from a nutter !! I like it.

Let's just say some on here want a sponsorship from Target.

The MFC are wanting to David Jones. Simple

[old dee 23,872]

Sanity prevails from a nutter !! I like it.

Let's just say some on here want a sponsorship from Target.

The MFC are wanting to David Jones. Simple

wyl, Target is a much bigger business than David Jones.

I would prefer Target

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 771]

Not sure Cam has anything to do with the trumpeter playing or not but i agree. The only time i wish to hear that style of playing is when a bugler belts out the last post on Anzac day. Sad, somber but nonetheless fitting for the occasion.

However, Cam does have a say into the "style" and "direction" of our off and on field marketing

Part of the off field marketing material says....

"Hard Work, Hard Minds, Hardcore Demons".

We are Demons yes?

And we sure as hell need to fire up....especially for the start of our matches

It's time to fire up before the match and get the supporters goin!

It's time for some Hard Rock and a little theatre to go with the rest of the hardness message Cam

AC/DC - "HELLS BELLS" for mine.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maaweWsN7I4&feature=related

After all, Demons are quite at home....in HELL!

Picture this pre match at our home games....

Two minor demon minions (maybe female ones...cough) slowly wheel a black gothic bell onto the arena...a fully kitted winged Demon (or similar) awaits. But he hasn't felt the bells' presence just yet. He kneels on the ground holding his trident. Deep in contemplation. As the bell gets closer, he slowly rises to his full height, turns and faces the bell. Using the blunt end of his trident he begins to gong the bell as the song commences. Raising his fist as the first few bars of legendary Ozy guitarist Angus Young spills out into the arena!

Let our opponents Fear us....It's our G. This is our ground, our heritage. Lets make it their worst nightmare!

A place they will fear to come to and dread to play on!

Maybe our new home ground anthem!

I like the Idea but with "Highway to Hell" as the anthem.

[Macca 17,034]

I like the Idea but with "Highway to Hell" as the anthem.

Or perhaps even this one ..................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iR2Wi3u5o

Cheers

[Ned 156]

Hi Cameron, I have a couple of questions.

Is it fair to say Barry Prendergast jumped before he was pushed, and if so, is it reasonable to conclude that our new coaching panel (which looks great) is dissatisfied with the recruiting in recent years when Melbourne was at or near the bootom?

Can you provide an explanation of the days leading up to Melbourne's 186-point loss at Geelong last year? We had reports you were about to be sacked, then your contract extended, and of player dissatisfaction. I have never seen an adequate explanation of what occurred given our team, which a year prior had been a chance to make the finals, suffered one of the biggest defeats in football history. I think as members we deserve one.

Finally, why did you need to borrow money from the club for a property deal and not use a bank, as most people do?

Thanks

[nutbean 8,838]

wyl, Target is a much bigger business than David Jones.

I would prefer Target

I work with both of them (staaaaaayyy awaaaaayyyy)

[old dee 23,872]

Hi Cameron, I have a couple of questions.

Is it fair to say Barry Prendergast jumped before he was pushed, and if so, is it reasonable to conclude that our new coaching panel (which looks great) is dissatisfied with the recruiting in recent years when Melbourne was at or near the bootom?

Can you provide an explanation of the days leading up to Melbourne's 186-point loss at Geelong last year? We had reports you were about to be sacked, then your contract extended, and of player dissatisfaction. I have never seen an adequate explanation of what occurred given our team, which a year prior had been a chance to make the finals, suffered one of the biggest defeats in football history. I think as members we deserve one.

Finally, why did you need to borrow money from the club for a property deal and not use a bank, as most people do?

Thanks

Good luck Ned.

Try Tattslotto the odds are better

[nutbean 8,838]

Hi Cameron, I have a couple of questions.

Is it fair to say Barry Prendergast jumped before he was pushed, and if so, is it reasonable to conclude that our new coaching panel (which looks great) is dissatisfied with the recruiting in recent years when Melbourne was at or near the bootom?

Can you provide an explanation of the days leading up to Melbourne's 186-point loss at Geelong last year? We had reports you were about to be sacked, then your contract extended, and of player dissatisfaction. I have never seen an adequate explanation of what occurred given our team, which a year prior had been a chance to make the finals, suffered one of the biggest defeats in football history. I think as members we deserve one.

Finally, why did you need to borrow money from the club for a property deal and not use a bank, as most people do?

Thanks

Wow....

If I was Cameron I would answer you questions as follows.

1/ Did BP jump before he was pushed.I believe you would have to ask BP that question. Football is a fluid industry with myriads of moves every year. In our football department alone we have had a plethora of new people both from other AFL clubs and outside. To answer your second part of the question - the agenda for recruitment is set by the head coach so it is not a question of whether new coaching panel is unhappy about previous drafting ( which no-one can do anything about now anyway) it is more a case of what the new coaching panel see as their drafting strategy and how it differs from the old coaching panel.

2/ The information and disinformation from that period around the186 point loss and what was reported and misreported could fill enough pages to make a novel. Needless to say that there were some adjustments made and re-focusing on what was important to move the club forward. We needed to be productive and proactive -I think we can see the inroads we are making off the field. The changes we have made are visible for all members to see and I think we should be looking forward and encouraging the same inroads to be made onfield.

3/ Salary packaging and negotiations are kept confidential for obvious reasons. As a generality I will say that there are many various methods of remunerating staff and specifically with senior executives there are various options available to a club outside a monthly pay cheque.

(I could have been an AFL CEO)

Edited March 19, 2012 by nutbean

[old dee 23,872]

Wow....

If I was Cameron I would answer you questions as follows.

1/ Did BP jump before he was pushed.I believe you would have to ask BP that question. Football is a fluid industry with myriads of moves every year. In our football department alone we have had a plethora of new people both from other AFL clubs and outside. To answer your second part of the question - the agenda for recruitment is set by the head coach so it is not a question of whether new coaching panel is unhappy about previous drafting ( which no-one can do anything about now anyway) it is more a case of what the new coaching panel see as their drafting strategy and how it differs from the old coaching panel.

2/ The information and disinformation from that period around the186 point loss and what was reported and misreported could fill enough pages to make a novel. Needless to say that there were some adjustments made and re-focusing on what was important to move the club forward. We needed to be productive and proactive -I think we can see the inroads we are making off the field. The changes we have made are visible for all members to see and I think we should be looking forward and encouraging the same inroads to be made onfield.

3/ Salary packaging and negotiations are kept confidential for obvious reasons. As a generality I will say that there are many various methods of remunerating staff and specifically with senior executives there are various options available to a club outside a monthly pay cheque.

(I could have been an AFL CEO)

9.5 out of 10 Nutbean.

Suggest you apply next time a position is vacant

Keep the above for your presentation.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Wow....

If I was Cameron I would answer you questions as follows.

1/.....2/..... 3/

Can almost hear Cam chuckling at this.

A classic pollies answer....i.e.....well, we know

[Bay Riffin 1,480]

Hi Cameron, I have a couple of questions.

Is it fair to say Barry Prendergast jumped before he was pushed, and if so, is it reasonable to conclude that our new coaching panel (which looks great) is dissatisfied with the recruiting in recent years when Melbourne was at or near the bootom?

Can you provide an explanation of the days leading up to Melbourne's 186-point loss at Geelong last year? We had reports you were about to be sacked, then your contract extended, and of player dissatisfaction. I have never seen an adequate explanation of what occurred given our team, which a year prior had been a chance to make the finals, suffered one of the biggest defeats in football history. I think as members we deserve one.

Finally, why did you need to borrow money from the club for a property deal and not use a bank, as most people do?

Thanks

Great questions. I too was very sceptical of point 3. Camerons private loan from the club, and would love to know the answer.

I let the club know at the timeand they got a member of the finance committee (i may be using the wrong term there) to call me straight away. We played phone tag for quite a while, so much so i let it go and got on with life, but I still would like to know the answer.

To me private loans are a no-no, even if the deal ‘appears’ incredibly good for the club.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

I like the Idea but with "Highway to Hell" as the anthem.

Yep. That's a decent alternative. My only issue with that song is the main message. Not that we haven't been there many times already!

[Ned 156]

Great questions. I too was very sceptical of point 3. Camerons private loan from the club, and would love to know the answer.

I let the club know at the timeand they got a member of the finance committee (i may be using the wrong term there) to call me straight away. We played phone tag for quite a while, so much so i let it go and got on with life, but I still would like to know the answer.

To me private loans are a no-no, even if the deal ‘appears’ incredibly good for the club.

I see you guys have been having some fun.

I find the loan fundamentally wrong. I could understand a dodge on the recruiter question. But I still find it unacceptable that no-one has explained how we got to the point of losing by 186 points, which is simply an abnormal defeat. Someone needs to explain what happened. How could it come about. I believe an account needs to be given.

[DEELIRIOUS 156]

What a gun. He's just single handedly shut a whole bunch of people up!! Get around him!

[nutbean 8,838]

I see you guys have been having some fun.

I find the loan fundamentally wrong. I could understand a dodge on the recruiter question. But I still find it unacceptable that no-one has explained how we got to the point of losing by 186 points, which is simply an abnormal defeat. Someone needs to explain what happened. How could it come about. I believe an account needs to be given.

I think Cam again would respond

I enjoy the feedback of all our members and whilst I appreciate your concern over certain aspects of commercial dealings of the club, I can assure you that the commercial dealings of the club are in line with common business practice and are approved by the board and fully audited by the accounting firm of schmendrik, schmo and scheister.

As to the 186 point, as much as you may want to point to other factors for the loss, the MFC is not the first club to be on the receiving end of a thumping at skilled stadium ( albeit, I reccognise it was a massive thumping) and we will not be last. We are trying to instill into our players the need to be responsible for their actions and responsible to the club to perform each and every week on the field. I ask you this question - do you not think the players, the 22 players who took the field are ultimately responsible for kicking goals and playing well enough to make sure we win. These are the guys representing us on the field. Absolving the players of responsibility and searching for answers elsewhere does an injustice to everyone else at the club. A culture of shifting blame is not a culture we want to foster.

I hope this has helped Ned.

[Choko 493]

I think Cam again would respond

I enjoy the feedback of all our members and whilst I appreciate your concern over certain aspects of commercial dealings of the club, I can assure you that the commercial dealings of the club are in line with common business practice and are approved by the board and fully audited by the accounting firm of schmendrik, schmo and scheister.

As to the 186 point, as much as you may want to point to other factors for the loss, the MFC is not the first club to be on the receiving end of a thumping at skilled stadium ( albeit, I reccognise it was a massive thumping) and we will not be last. We are trying to instill into our players the need to be responsible for their actions and responsible to the club to perform each and every week on the field. I ask you this question - do you not think the players, the 22 players who took the field are ultimately responsible for kicking goals and playing well enough to make sure we win. These are the guys representing us on the field. Absolving the players of responsibility and searching for answers elsewhere does an injustice to everyone else at the club. A culture of shifting blame is not a culture we want to foster.

I hope this has helped Ned.

You in PR for a big firm of something, by any chance?

[Nasher 33,617]

I see you guys have been having some fun.

I find the loan fundamentally wrong. I could understand a dodge on the recruiter question. But I still find it unacceptable that no-one has explained how we got to the point of losing by 186 points, which is simply an abnormal defeat. Someone needs to explain what happened. How could it come about. I believe an account needs to be given.

Other than making you feel better (not the club's problem), what would it achieve?

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

wyl, Target is a much bigger business than David Jones.

I would prefer Target

You have lost it O.D.

It was an example of style!!

[nutbean 8,838]

You in PR for a big firm of something, by any chance?

majored in corporate speak 101

[Go the Biff 3,442]

I think Cam again would respond

I enjoy the feedback of all our members and whilst I appreciate your concern over certain aspects of commercial dealings of the club, I can assure you that the commercial dealings of the club are in line with common business practice and are approved by the board and fully audited by the accounting firm of schmendrik, schmo and scheister.

As to the 186 point, as much as you may want to point to other factors for the loss, the MFC is not the first club to be on the receiving end of a thumping at skilled stadium ( albeit, I reccognise it was a massive thumping) and we will not be last. We are trying to instill into our players the need to be responsible for their actions and responsible to the club to perform each and every week on the field. I ask you this question - do you not think the players, the 22 players who took the field are ultimately responsible for kicking goals and playing well enough to make sure we win. These are the guys representing us on the field. Absolving the players of responsibility and searching for answers elsewhere does an injustice to everyone else at the club. A culture of shifting blame is not a culture we want to foster.

I hope this has helped Ned.

Nice work Sir Humphrey

[Harcourt 146]

It's lucky "we have a number of contingencies from both a revenue and cost perspective in the event that we don't achieve our preferred outcome".

I was starting to get a little worried!

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Any reason my last post was deleted?

Sarcasm not allowed?

[Nasher 33,617]

RGRS - your post was deleted because it was inappropriate. Asking questions or initiating discussion is fine - sledging the CEO through Demonland is not. I'm closing the thread now - Cam can start a new one if he'd like to "reach out" again.