Today's loss was shocking....

[jumbo returns 6,740]

Honestly, I love talking footy but I'm soooo disappointed by today's loss.

Why have our players plateaued?

Is there a game plan?

Do we have a structure?

Is there ANYTHING they're working on? Okay, last game and beer and KFC awaits, but at least have a go.

So many players are bordering mediocrity, it's a joke.

Now, we have a pauper's diet of cricket and bloody tennis until the new season.

I know the sun will rise tomorrow and life will go on, but I would have loved a win today......

[Demonic Ascent 0]

Now, we have a pauper's diet of cricket and bloody tennis until the new season.

Nah NFL season starts on Friday been looking forward to it for a while. Couldn't bring myself to watching boring rubbish like cricket or tennis. NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Honestly, I love talking footy but I'm soooo disappointed by today's loss.

1. Why have our players plateaued?

Is there a game plan?

Do we have a structure?

Is there ANYTHING they're working on? Okay, last game and beer and KFC awaits, but at least have a go.

So many players are bordering mediocrity, it's a joke.

Now, we have a pauper's diet of cricket and bloody tennis until the new season.

I know the sun will rise tomorrow and life will go on, but I would have loved a win today......

1. They were never that good to begin with.

2. That's what I've been trying to say for months.

We simply don't have the cattle and no amount of "talking up the players" or waiting to see what they will be like when they've got more games under their belt will change that.

Jetta, Bennell, Jones and a few of the others are what they are nothing will change that. Bate played well today but how many times hasn't he?

[bush demon 2,038]

Nah NFL season starts on Friday been looking forward to it for a while. Couldn't bring myself to watching boring rubbish like cricket or tennis. NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

as a veteran aussie rules fanatic i would say 'nfl' or gridiron in the old money is a dementia-inducing, brain-wasting waste of time.

there, i've started a nice little fireside chat now that the demons fell short for my 48th year of supportership. as for cricket, give me two hours of 1 for 45 any day of the week.

Edited September 4, 2011 by bush demon

[Chicken Deelicious 0]

Shocking. A pun on the fact we were playing the power??

Today was just poor. I plan to watch some quality football and footballers in the finals series.

The Dees are far from this it at the moment. We didnt finish last, just morally last.

We need one hell of an off season.

[wackojacko 25]

lets not forget the real football is on....the round ball type

[RalphiusMaximus 6,024]

I wasn't shocked at all, except by the fact that we were so dominant early on. Id we'd been able to kick straight it would have been over by quarter time. Sadly, once we missed those chances it was all too predictable and went according to script.

[Striker475 696]

Nah NFL season starts on Friday been looking forward to it for a while. Couldn't bring myself to watching boring rubbish like cricket or tennis. NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

Winning

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Nah NFL season starts on Friday been looking forward to it for a while. Couldn't bring myself to watching boring rubbish like cricket or tennis. NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

Same here.

If you watch the condensed 'match of the week' version that has the time outs cut out and it just shows the plays. Or alternatively record and just fast forward and skip the breaks.....it's sometimes better to watch than AFL outside of the top 6 - 8 teams playing each other anyway. And even if you don't have the breaks cut out, provided it's 2 good teams playing off i can still handle a full match with all the interruptions provided it's a good match up. The breaks allow you to get things done in between as well if needed.

Beyond say the top 8 teams playing each other in the AFL (and us of course) i find many AFL games pretty amateurish and often a complete mess to watch with the ball just going back and forth between half forward lines as each team turns the ball over so often and easily. Reminds of a game of basketball on a huge field when like that.

You've also got many different types/sizes of players playing NFL who are all elite from the amazing sprinters/catchers in wide receivers, the medium sized line backers and tight ends (ok some not so medium sized lol), the brute force of some of the running backs (but with speed as well) or alternatively small running backs with amazing speed agility. Then there's the bullocking big boys in the centre fighting like giant bears, looking for holes, to sack the QB and protecting the QB etc. Then there's the special teams who are like crazy insane lol.

Also NFL is great to bet on once the seasons 3 to 4 games in and you're starting to get some meaningful stats to work off....a nice winning percentage there with the system i'm using

[old dee 23,782]

1. They were never that good to begin with.

2. That's what I've been trying to say for months.

We simply don't have the cattle and no amount of "talking up the players" or waiting to see what they will be like when they've got more games under their belt will change that.

Jetta, Bennell, Jones and a few of the others are what they are nothing will change that. Bate played well today but how many times hasn't he?

Sadly RobbieF you are right I have been saying the same for most of 2010.

We simply do not have the cattle!

I see little chance of an improvment next year, We do not have enough good senior players to help the kids develop.

Green and Davey will not get any younger or faster.

I would disagree on the subject of Jones.

He gives 100% every week.

I hope I feel a little brighter about our prospects by March 2012

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

Exactly. I fell in love two years ago, now it's my second favourite game to watch behind AFL. Having said that, the purists actually prefer college ball in the states.

lets not forget the real football is on....the round ball type

The game where you can kick a goal with your head?

Same here.

Yup. Awesome game.

[Striker475 696]

NFL people, if you're interested PM Adzman, he's running a NFL Fantasy thing. Or jump over to the 'other sports' board

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Sadly RobbieF you are right I have been saying the same for most of 2010.

We simply do not have the cattle!

I see little chance of an improvment next year, We do not have enough good senior players to help the kids develop.

Green and Davey will not get any younger or faster.

I would disagree on the subject of Jones.

He gives 100% every week.

I hope I feel a little brighter about our prospects by March 2012

So did Godfrey old dee, he gave 100% as well but it simply wasn't good enough; yes I accept Jones is a better player before Nasher, RR and the usual bunch want to jump on top of me..

it will depend entirely on the drafting season as to how I will feel in March of next year. If we draft a couple of good mids with promise I'll be ok if we draft another tall skinny 4 year down the track forward I'll scream. If we get rid of the 15 minute a game players I'll be happy too.

Dose of salts old dee, get rid of the bad stuff in the body once and for all, don't care if they are favourites or not we only want winners.

[digby wolf 1]

Nah NFL season starts on Friday been looking forward to it for a while. Couldn't bring myself to watching boring rubbish like cricket or tennis. NFL is a game that still allows big hits and has tactics so far advanced of AFL its ridiculous. Yeah they wear padding but if they didn't there would be deaths every week.

Go and live their mate, please. I believe the dollar is good as well.

[daisycutter 29,604]

Idiot...ignorant morons like you really [censored] me off. The world game is miles ahead of this poor excuse of a sport. You dont KICK a goal with your head, im pretty sure you SCORE a goal with your head.

touched a nerve there did he wacko?....looks like kicking with your head to me too

a game with a limited set of skills, lol

[wackojacko 25]

touched a nerve there did he wacko?....looks like kicking with your head to me too

a game with a limited set of skills, lol

Limited set of skills? you got to be joking!! It takes years to master the skill of controlling a ball without your hands...cough cough Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau. Pick up a ball and learnt our awesome game in 5 mins.

[P-man 13,366]

lets not forget the real football is on....the round ball type

I love football of the round ball variety..but you've picked a particularly odd place to come out with such a comment.

[daisycutter 29,604]

Limited set of skills? you got to be joking!! It takes years to master the skill of controlling a ball without your hands...cough cough Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau. Pick up a ball and learnt our awesome game in 5 mins.

oh and I forgot to add incredibly boring too

if I had to rate ball games it would be somewhere below netball

[wackojacko 25]

i love both AFL and football, but i would always choose football over the AFL.

In terms of skills, surely football or soccer purely for the fact that it is more difficult to use your feet to control a ball than your hands.

When feeding the ball in AFL you either kick of handball or slap the ball along the ground. Having played both sports, the difficulty of feeding an accurate pass by foot in both games is probably even - none is harder than the other. In terms of their secondary distrubution, handballing accurately is far easier than heading accurately.

it goes further than this with the smaller things such as:

- having quick hands under pressure is equivalent to soccer where there is often one touch play when under pressure - this is far harder than simply having fast hands.

- Attempting to curl/swerve a ball is far harder with a round ball.

- Soccer players must beat a goalie to score a goal

Receiving a ball under pressure is a skill of both sports, but i feel taking a mark under pressure is far easier than controlling the ball on your foot/thigh/chest/head - a ball which may have come from 60m away. Taking a mark from a ball kicked 50m away is no harder than taking a mark from 10m away - or at least its a very minimal increase in difficulty.....for soccer however it takes supreme technique and skill to take a ball down with close control off a pass from this sort of distance. Taking a big pack mark is more about courage than skill - taking the mark IS the skill.

Then there is the showboating element. in AFL you can run with the ball to beat player i.e. Judd although all this time you are able to hold the ball which is far easier than dribbling. Bouncing an oval ball is not hard for anyway with half decent coordination. Does this even compare to being able to juggle a ball with your foot 1000s of times, using the thigh & chest, balancing the ball on on your head etc? Beating a man in AFL is about speed and agility, in soccer it is speed, skill and technique.

i could go on and on. The best way to put it would be that soccer skills are a more difficult skill set to AFL.

AFL takes the cake in terms of physicality, courage, athleticism, but football takes it in terms of skill, strategy, and variety in playing style. If you have played both sports competantly at a relatively high level, and you were not being biased, you would agree with this.

[daisycutter 29,604]

i love both AFL and football, but i would always choose football over the AFL.

In terms of skills, surely football or soccer purely for the fact that it is more difficult to use your feet to control a ball than your hands.

When feeding the ball in AFL you either kick of handball or slap the ball along the ground. Having played both sports, the difficulty of feeding an accurate pass by foot in both games is probably even - none is harder than the other. In terms of their secondary distrubution, handballing accurately is far easier than heading accurately.

it goes further than this with the smaller things such as:

- having quick hands under pressure is equivalent to soccer where there is often one touch play when under pressure - this is far harder than simply having fast hands.

- Attempting to curl/swerve a ball is far harder with a round ball.

- Soccer players must beat a goalie to score a goal

Receiving a ball under pressure is a skill of both sports, but i feel taking a mark under pressure is far easier than controlling the ball on your foot/thigh/chest/head - a ball which may have come from 60m away. Taking a mark from a ball kicked 50m away is no harder than taking a mark from 10m away - or at least its a very minimal increase in difficulty.....for soccer however it takes supreme technique and skill to take a ball down with close control off a pass from this sort of distance. Taking a big pack mark is more about courage than skill - taking the mark IS the skill.

Then there is the showboating element. in AFL you can run with the ball to beat player i.e. Judd although all this time you are able to hold the ball which is far easier than dribbling. Bouncing an oval ball is not hard for anyway with half decent coordination. Does this even compare to being able to juggle a ball with your foot 1000s of times, using the thigh & chest, balancing the ball on on your head etc? Beating a man in AFL is about speed and agility, in soccer it is speed, skill and technique.

i could go on and on. The best way to put it would be that soccer skills are a more difficult skill set to AFL.

AFL takes the cake in terms of physicality, courage, athleticism, but football takes it in terms of skill, strategy, and variety in playing style. If you have played both sports competantly at a relatively high level, and you were not being biased, you would agree with this.

dear oh dear oh dear......I won't even bother

one thing I will say about soccer aficionados is that they are all dreamers

dream on pal

[old dee 23,782]

dear oh dear oh dear......I won't even bother

one thing I will say about soccer aficionados is that they are all dreamers

dream on pal

One thing I will never come to grips with is how a nil all draw is a "good" result.

[daisycutter 29,604]

One thing I will never come to grips with is how a nil all draw is a "good" result.

Yeah, fancy expecting a bit of soccer love on a football forum - the cheek!

[jayceebee31 759]

oh and I forgot to add incredibly boring too

if I had to rate ball games it would be somewhere below netball

And the players are a damn lot prettier in most cases.

[McQueen 17,864]

oh and I forgot to add incredibly boring too

if I had to rate ball games it would be somewhere below netball

I can remember being at a pub overseas years ago listening to the roar and comotion over a soccer game. I eventually asked someone what the score was..

Nil all they said... What an anti-climax.

Below netball... How about below croquet?

[McQueen 17,864]

And the players are a damn lot prettier in most cases.

Angus Monfries pretty?