SEN on Col Sylvia

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Colin Sylvia will be coming second or third in the bluey atm and people dont think he is worth it lol....who is? So many MFC supporters keep saying dont pay him that hes not worth it oh he isnt that good he isnt the games best player blah blah blah....He has been great considering 3 of the last 4 years we have been 16 16 12.... obviously lacks quality around him.

Coming into the peek of his career obviously he wants a great deal, it will be his last great deal, and he is playing a career best season, not because he has starred a couple of times because he hasnt been in the best twice

No need to be excessive but your assuming that MFC is playing ball and Col isnt, it may be us trying to screw him over making cap room for the future???

[IWAP 168]

If he was to go, there is a future player of ours who i'd love to see in his number

[Brayshaws' Helmet 143]

No, it's nothing like that at all. Speed, unlike height, can be affected over time owing to several factors. If you're comparing him to the best onballers in the comp (ie. have a look at the way Cooney went about it on Friday night) then no, he's not quick. He's by no means slow, but certainly not in that class. Yet we pay him as one.

And to the poster who says he's our best offensive weapon, he's kicked 99 goals in 122 games at 0.8 goals a game. Hardly world-beating numbers.

I think some of you tend to wear rose-tinted sunnies when it comes to this player.

Just another area of the game that i disagree with you on. I have generally been fairly silent when you post because, christ i mean who could keep up with the ferocious rate of your replies

Col has the skill to play well on a regular basis, and i would suggest that this year has probably been his best. Hardly world beating numbers sure, but he does a lot of grunt work around the ground. Probably the best kick at goal on the run in our team, and is generally a solid finisher... I highly doubt he would leave, but he probably deserves to be one of our highest paid.

[Samsara 65]

Would be hugely disappointed to lose Col, a great player who must be signed.

[Friday 71]

Would be absolutely gutted with the club to lose sylvia.

He's finally stringing some decent footy together through his injury clouded career.

Am I the only bloke who doesn't give a rats about leadership?

Yes it's good to have generals out there, but not for every single player.

I want a bloke who is going to go up and actually hold onto a grab. Who can kick it from 50. He would run through a brick wall if you kicked a ball at the right hight/speed at it.

When he gets the footy we're a better side for it.

[old55 21,770]

The big plus with Sylvia is that he's a potential big game match-winner. He's the rare type of player that can break a game open - like Paul Chapman. There's not that many of them around. When we finally get to the GF he'd be very handy to have on our sideOn the negative side he's not too strong on defence, he'll be going head-to-head with somebody and we can get burned the other way. Because of this he's not in our top echelon, probably the next rung down.

[rpfc 27,657]

I think the club will be keen to hang on to Colin...

I don't think they are going to force him out.

[rpfc 27,657]

The big plus with Sylvia is that he's a potential big game match-winner. He's the rare type of player that can break a game open - like Paul Chapman. There's not that many of them around. When we finally get to the GF he'd be very handy to have on our sideOn the negative side he's not too strong on defence, he'll be going head-to-head with somebody and we can get burned the other way. Because of this he's not in our top echelon, probably the next rung down.

He's in our top echelon right now, which probably explains why we are struggling.

[drdrake 3,058]

Every club has players out of contract. Players will be holding off discussion until the CBA is negotiated. Why would you sign now if you think your club might get an increase in the salary cap.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

He isn't a great leader. We know that.

Neither is Green. Nor Davey. Nor Rivers. Nor Jamar. So he's not the only one.

Heeeey... What's with the Rivers and Jamar hate? Jamar leads by example and Rivers, while not being the greatest player ever, has never had problems leading.

[rpfc 27,657]

Heeeey... What's with the Rivers and Jamar hate? Jamar leads by example and Rivers, while not being the greatest player ever, has never had problems leading.

What?

The guy openly admits he has trouble seeing himself as a leader. He also admits to not being the most professional person when it comes to recovery (and he has constantly been in recovery in his 8 years...)

And Jamar never seems to be in the argument for the leaders of the club.

Great ruck, good ruck brain, good at teaching rucks, ruck, ruck, ruck.

He would be a great leader at the Dees if we went in with 9 or ten rucks...

[The Chazz 4,077]

Maybe GWS has offered him $8m over 9 years.

I demand a press conference from Col to put an end to this speculation.

[rpfc 27,657]

Maybe GWS has offered him $8m over 9 years.

I demand a press conference from Col to put an end to this speculation.

He's damaging the club and is becoming a major distraction for the club because journos are constantly talking amongst themselves and quoting each other over the non-progress of the contract discussions.

Give him a contract, if he signs it, he plays.

If he doesn't, well, we know how to handle

[The Chazz 4,077]

He's damaging the club and is becoming a major distraction for the club because journos are constantly talking amongst themselves and quoting each other over the non-progress of the contract discussions.

Give him a contract, if he signs it, he plays.

If he doesn't, well, we know how to handle

I'm 98% sure he has signed with GWS.

I wonder if we can get this thread up to 24+ pages.

[rpfc 27,657]

I'm 98% sure he has signed with GWS.

I wonder if we can get this thread up to 24+ pages.

I, another journalist, will quote you, also a journalist, over your 98% claim.

Completely looking past the fact that if one journalist quotes another, that makes them an idiot.

A giant effing idiot.

[Daemn 2]

Ultra important player to our structure. Having a down few weeks, but will get back into form before long. Imperative that we sign him up for the rest of his playing days.

Not so sure about the ultra importantance Colin's has in our structure. Think Paul Roos hit it in on the head when he said Col is lazy. His form spikes too much for me and that probably goes hand in hand with his inability to hold down a regular position in the midfield as he doesn't have the engine or capacity to gut-run. Still wouldn't trade him, but also wouldn't make him a largesse offer. Would rather give the $ to Scully / Trengrove.

[Daemn 2]

The big plus with Sylvia is that he's a potential big game match-winner. He's the rare type of player that can break a game open - like Paul Chapman. There's not that many of them around. When we finally get to the GF he'd be very handy to have on our sideOn the negative side he's not too strong on defence, he'll be going head-to-head with somebody and we can get burned the other way. Because of this he's not in our top echelon, probably the next rung down.

Spot on.

[Born to Run 204]

In my opinion Col is a must. Not surprised if GWS had a go at him. Big bodied, don't reckon he has peaked yet, his best is elite. In a good side he really would be a weapon. If we hope to be this, he is a non negotiable. Also like the point that someone raised, if we lose him and replace him with a 18 year old, our team loses a heap of experience and bulk. Keep him!

[beelzebub 22,528]

The big plus with Sylvia is that he's a potential big game match-winner. He's the rare type of player that can break a game open - like Paul Chapman. There's not that many of them around. When we finally get to the GF he'd be very handy to have on our sideOn the negative side he's not too strong on defence, he'll be going head-to-head with somebody and we can get burned the other way. Because of this he's not in our top echelon, probably the next rung down.

This is probably his strong suit. On his tod he gets found out somewhat. Maybe he just doesnt revel in the climate of expectation. But given support or rather having HIM in support of ilk such as a more experienced team of ( dare I say it ) Scully-Trengove-Gysberts- Tapscott-McKenzie then he could be that loose Cannon of whom you speak.. i.e the game-breaker. There's been glimpses without the whole show to date.

[Dockett 32 1,213]

'In my opinion Col is a must. Not surprised if GWS had a go at him. Big bodied, don't reckon he has peaked yet, his best is elite. In a good side he really would be a weapon. If we hope to be this, he is a non negotiable. Also like the point that someone raised, if we lose him and replace him with a 18 year old, our team loses a heap of experience and bulk. Keep him!'

Wouldn't be getting too excited about this one just yet but somewhat surprised he is out of contract. Football department have had plenty of time to work this issue. You don't let one of our best if not the best senior bloke on the list walk out the door.

[Guest hangon007]

This thread is starting to a very familiar pattern to it.

[old55 21,770]

He's in our top echelon right now, which probably explains why we are struggling.

That's true but as you have already pointed out elsewhere - we need to project forward to our flag core and pay accordingly. I'm not convinced he's in the top echelon (Watts, Frawley, Trengove, Scully, Gysberts?, McKenzie?), probably second tier for me (Sylvia, Grimes (too often injured to be in the top), Garland, Davey, Jamar). On that note (trying to aviod turning this into a Scully thread) - we need to pay players according to their echelon.

That might mean giving GWS targets a "sign-on" front-loaded contract and a more reasonable on-going annual amount which is sustainable to other players at their level. It's unfortunate for players like Watts and Frawley who are out of the GWS window but that's probably the fairest way to work it. Scully might get $2.8M over 4 years at $450K/year (a sustainable amount) + $1M sign-on bonus to ward off the extraordinary GWS raid. Same for Trengove next year. It relies on being able to front-load inside the TPP. Sylvia might get $1.7M over 3 years as $400K/year + $500K "sign-on". Players outside the top two echelons don't qualify for sign-on.

It's not perfect but it's got to be better than paying them $700K/year and having to match that for all players at the same level and also have them think that or better is what they'll automatically get in their next contract.

Edited July 7, 2011 by old55

[Tatu 416]

This thread is starting to a very familiar pattern to it.

The word is that Sylvia has signed a HOA to go to GWS next year!!!

[Striker475 696]

Replace Sylvia with Scully in virtually every sentence and the whole thread still works.

Anyway...

- If he wants to go due to lack of a deal, he has to be traded or go to GWS. GWS can't take Scully AND Sylvia in free agency so that means that one will probably stay.

- If GWS take Scully and MFC can't agree a deal, he can nominate for the pre-season, where he'd almost certainly end up at GWS anyway.

I reckon he'll stay. There are 'attitude issues' with him that other clubs will frown on due to his chequered past. Of the non-GWS teams, you'd only be looking at a Freo/Sydney/Aints middle band that might want him - but I doubt it. Sydney aren't going to make their list challenge for a flag by adding Sylvia. Freo, when fit, are in better shape without him. Aints already have brilliance in the middle so he'd be a 23rd man.

Edited July 7, 2011 by Striker475

[SidVicious 121]

Reported (allegedly) that he and the Club are poles apart in negotiations thus far.

Greg Denham said that he would be 'perfect fit' for the Swans.

How is his signature going? Important player to sign, I reckon....thoughts?

Sylvia for Hannebery.

Straight swap.