New coach now?

[Born to Run 204]

Sacking DB now has little merit at all. It will not influence the season in my opinion, nor will it mean our players are better next year. It will also cost us a fair bit to do it.

I would prefer we keep him on board till seasons end and in that time consider all options that may be available then. (Include DB if he performs a triple somersault in a pike position and gets out of the gun).

As for the best available call - could not agree more. Got to be proactive and an incremental cost of increased salary should not be a deterrent. If we perform better, we will have more members and will have more spectators and will get more money.

Just make the lads play more consistently each week please Dean. I cant handle this yo yo I am riding at the moment.

And, have a simple simple team rule - attack the footy. If you dont, you are dragged. Give me this and I can handle whatever the result is each week.

[pitmaster 3,064]

I suspect we can't afford Malthouse and his entourage and I am with those who query his record anyway - 3 flags in what, 20+ years? Most of those spent at two of the best resourced clubs in the land - and no success at the under-resourced Doggies.

Clarkson will get another year at Borethorn - injuries get him off the hook and they were looking pretty tidy until then.

Roos is a non starter and for one, I hate his style.

For Eade, I agree with those who suggest he is not quite up to it, as good as he has been with the scraggers.

Depending on the next 11 weeks, it is possible DB will get another year and likely he will see out this year.

Given all we know about who is running our club, if DB goes I'd give Viney front runner status.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Cost should not be a criteria. This is the reason we ended up with Bailey in the first place. We should be selecting the best available.

Rubbish on both accounts.

People seem to forget we are still a financially straightened Club. There is a fantasy persisting that because we have paid off the debt that everything is rosy. It isnt. Cost is very much a consideration. Malthouse would be on very good money at Collingwood and unless he wants to do charity, MFC are going to have to raffle alot of free range chooks each year to have him.

And the reason we ended up with Bailey is that MFC chose the best of the Coaches available at the time.

[Born to Run 204]

Rubbish on both accounts.

People seem to forget we are still a financially straightened Club. There is a fantasy persisting that because we have paid off the debt that everything is rosy. It isnt. Cost is very much a consideration. Malthouse would be on very good money at Collingwood and unless he wants to do charity, MFC are going to have to raffle alot of free range chooks each year to have him.

And the reason we ended up with Bailey is that MFC chose the best of the Coaches available at the time.

Reckon you will find that Malthouse will want to keep coaching on. He seems driven, would appear at the top of his game and (I think) will want to break the games record for coaching (at seasons end he will be 50 off Jock McHale). I reckon he COULD (and given the flogging that we received from the pies on Monday) see the list as an up and coming one that he might be able to have success with in the first few years.

If he is still driven, and does not want to seat in the back seat with Buckley in the drivers seat, Melbourne or Hawthorn could be an option. He may see some appeal in the potential to deliver success to a club that has been deprived of it for a long time (being seen as the messiah).

I also think that he would do it for less than he does it for the pies. Issue is that he would want his support team to be A grade - that is a cost we would need to consider.....

[mmc 18]

Firstly, sacking Bailey mid-season would not achieve one single positive thing. rediculous suggestion.

Secondly, whatever happens to Bailey, he has done really great things for this club and we should all be appreciative. We'll all be looking back in 2 years time (assuming Bailey isn't coach), being bloody thankful of all the young stars that were all drafted under his tenure. He has managed to develop several players beyond our expectations and has really set the club up for 5-6 years at the top starting from 2012 or 2013

Great post. I don't think some people realise just how far back we were when Bailey took over. Though the team is certainly not playing the type of football that we'd like them to be, imo he deserves one more preseason, the list having finally taken shape and the necessary culling having been done, to develop these kids.

[Born to Run 204]

Great post. I don't think some people realise just how far back we were when Bailey took over. Though the team is certainly not playing the type of football that we'd like them to be, imo he deserves one more preseason, the list having finally taken shape and the necessary culling having been done, to develop these kids.

I have said this on other posts too, that I agree we were in trouble when he took over (from a list perspective). But we have been rebuilding the whole four years of his tenure and that to me is a little damning. I think if you look at Clarkson rebuild it was about this time the Hawks started to really develop (3rd year in he got them 14 wins in a year including finals) and the following year (year 4) he won a premiership.

If you also look at the 2 years before DB and Clarkson took over, the clubs records were very similar. In Clarksons first year they drafed a heap of kids too.

I know there are differences and all that - but this has been a very slow burn for the Dees. I just wonder if the lads are 1) responding to his coaching as a collective and 2) if due to his poor win / loss record it makes it hard for them to believe he is a great coach.

If he can win more than he loses in the back half of the year - I will say that he deserves to be considered for next year. Seems to be a good bloke, but unfortunately, AFL coaching is a tough business which can come down to timing and a bit of luck as well.

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

Yeah, and a first year Coach & his team,,, beat your Super Coach, and his super Team..... Maybe we'd better grab the Aire apparent Great Scott.

Don't quite know what you mean??? You may not like Malthouse as a person...But he sure can coach. He gives solid instructions that are carried out.

[satyricon 267]

I love all this who should 'we' consider, I will personally wait till the end of year and see what the board of the Club I support decides to do, I don't want Bailey to leave at the moment, but if that is the decision, then so be it.....then everybody on this 'board' here will have somebody new to punch holes in....how exciting for them

[loges 6,112]

The pies had a lot more experience on the park and in the coaches box on Saturday .I guess Geelong were in a similar boat about six years ago . I think we got beaten in all the little areas all day like shepherds ,blocks ,talking ,taps on ,tackles completed ,playing on .Bailey has put together an awesome list of talent .Look at the build and age of Moloney ,Sylvia ,Frawley compared to Strauss ,Gawn ,Scully ,Trengrove ,Morton ,Garland ,Jurrah ,Jetta and Watts . Sylvia , Moloney , Frawley etc are strong enough to handle nearly anyone but the others will fill out in a year or two so we have to wait and trust the "switcher" . I do think we need a more simple plan out of defence and we should cut out the kicks across the face of goal . Until then we either play the skinny kids or we trade em all and go backwards . We wont change 50 years in five minutes . I think Schwab is a bit of an administrative genius in what he has done with Jimmy ,CC ,Bailey ,drafting etc .We need to stay the course .We cant afford a super coach anyway .Scully has said he will stay and I think he will .Relax all you head choppers . We lost a game to the best team in the comp .I think they also started the Scully rumour .We can't fall apart now .

Ah someone who sees it as it is

[Guest Gotzy15]

I think Bailey is well and truly gone! We may still have a relatively young and inexperienced list but it is pretty obvious to me that the more concerning fact is that every time we lose we are totally insipid and we are getting tactically smashed on top of that! We cant beat a good press to save ourselves, we still havent worked out the kick outs, we still lack structure going forward. I did not see anything different with the way we played on Monday from the insipid performances against Hawthorn, West Coast etc. There is no point in keeping Bailey. Get a caretaker and start looking for 2012!

[daisycutter 28,605]

Reckon you will find that Malthouse will want to keep coaching on. He seems driven, would appear at the top of his game and (I think) will want to break the games record for coaching (at seasons end he will be 50 off Jock McHale). I reckon he COULD (and given the flogging that we received from the pies on Monday) see the list as an up and coming one that he might be able to have success with in the first few years.

If he is still driven, and does not want to seat in the back seat with Buckley in the drivers seat, Melbourne or Hawthorn could be an option. He may see some appeal in the potential to deliver success to a club that has been deprived of it for a long time (being seen as the messiah).

I also think that he would do it for less than he does it for the pies. Issue is that he would want his support team to be A grade - that is a cost we would need to consider.....

If we got a Malthouse I wonder how much money that would drag along from extra sponsorship, extra membership, extra attendance etc and then if we had more success it would continue to generate more money

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money

We certainly aint going to make money sitting in the bottom 10 and having the odd big win and many honorable losses.

[Seinfeld 40]

Prior to the Adelaide game, Jimmy was asked how many wins did he think was a resonable outcome for this year... He said 10 wins.

We have 4 and a half wins... There are 11 games to go...we are a chance to win another 5 maybe 6 games.....There is your 10 wins for the year...and the President is happy and Bails gets a new contract........

Edited June 16, 2011 by Kojak

[dee-luded 2,958]

How about we sign Sheedy,he'll bring Scully with him.

:lol:

Edited June 16, 2011 by dee-luded

[Johnny Karate 559]

Who is REALLY available...and that includes Bailey.

The last thing we need is change for changes sake. And yes i was at Mondays Game. MCC level 2 so i saw it all unfold.

Who wants the job, let's not just pile money at someone Malcolm Blight St.kilda style.

This is a good point.

Personally, I think the club would be negligent if it didn't sound out other experienced candidates e.g. Roos, Malthouse - however it should be more about them actually wanting to coach and having a vision for the MFC rather than us chucking 30 pieces of silver at them purely based on past success.

However, that's not saying that Bailey might not be the best person to take the club forward. I'd be pretty annoyed if we got rid of Bailey for another rookie coach. Just like drafting = best available.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

In my mind there are 2 options:

Keep Bailey

OR

Malthouse.

That's it - there's nothing else.

[mrtwister 650]

In my mind there are 2 options:

Keep Bailey

OR

Malthouse.

That's it - there's nothing else.

Agreed.

Surely a strategic coach such as Malthouse would LOVE to take on a team with such quality, well taught young players. There's no real recruiting or drafting to do, there's no more rebuilding years. It's straight tactical coaching using the pieces that DB (being the great DEVELOPMENT coach that he is)has groomed and developed over the past seasons.

Noone's giving him a hospital pass with a bunch of chumps and old farts that he'd have to clear out and replace.

Despite their inconsistencies, they are a TOP QUALITY group

[Weedster 174]

Rubbish on both accounts.

People seem to forget we are still a financially straightened Club. There is a fantasy persisting that because we have paid off the debt that everything is rosy. It isnt. Cost is very much a consideration. Malthouse would be on very good money at Collingwood and unless he wants to do charity, MFC are going to have to raffle alot of free range chooks each year to have him.

And the reason we ended up with Bailey is that MFC chose the best of the Coaches available at the time.

Sorry but don't agree - we shopped in the bargain basement because of our financial position - that is why we ended up with Dean Bailey - an assistant with Port & Essendon, but whose senior experience was with Mt Gravatt in Queensland - about the equivalent of C Grade ammos - don't tell me this background was the best available - AFL jobs are as scarce as hen's teeth

[Rogue 585]

I reckon Eade gets marked harshly. The entire competition is designed so that you can't stay up for long, so it's no big deal - IMO - that his teams were struggling when he was moved on. I suggested that he should have left WB at the end of last year and I reckon if he did it would have been better for both parties. His rep would have been better, and WB could have either rebuilt the side or gone for a [Geelong] Scott-style rejuvenation.

[MadAsHell 4,088]

If we got a Malthouse I wonder how much money that would drag along from extra sponsorship, extra membership, extra attendance etc and then if we had more success it would continue to generate more money

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money

We certainly aint going to make money sitting in the bottom 10 and having the odd big win and many honorable losses.

Dennis Pagan and the Carlton Football Club say hi.

[daisycutter 28,605]

Prior to the Adelaide game, Jimmy was asked how many wins did he think was a resonable outcome for this year... He said 10 wins.

We have 4 and a half wins... There are 11 games to go...we are a chance to win another 5 maybe 6 games.....There is your 10 wins for the year...and the President is happy and Bails gets a new contract........

Just a bit simplistic Kojak

I doubt Bailey has just one KPI

[daisycutter 28,605]

Dennis Pagan and the Carlton Football Club say hi.

So I take it from your cryptic answer that you don't feel there would be any drag-along financial benefit to hiring Malthouse and that he wouldn't bring more success? Fair enough that's your opinion

[Demon Stalwart 255]

Agreed.

Surely a strategic coach such as Malthouse would LOVE to take on a team with such quality, well taught young players. There's no real recruiting or drafting to do, there's no more rebuilding years. It's straight tactical coaching using the pieces that DB (being the great DEVELOPMENT coach that he is)has groomed and developed over the past seasons.

Noone's giving him a hospital pass with a bunch of chumps and old farts that he'd have to clear out and replace.

Despite their inconsistencies, they are a TOP QUALITY group

Two Points

1/ If we keep Bailey, we will miss out on Malthouse if he becomes available

2/ If we keep Bailey. I will not accept another season like we have seen to date!

For Bailey Next Year that will be it. As far as I am concerned, excuses such as we are still in the development stage will be unacceptable.

This excuse has paits use by date and must come to a end.

The crack at a season proper must begin next year with no less asspirations then a berth in the final eight !

This is non-negotiable, failure should not be accepted as a option..

Until then I'll refrain from calling for his head for the rest of the season, but if we play Shite like we have in so many games as we have, to date then excuses will be a thing of the past and they just wont cut it anymore

However if Bailey is replaced by the club at the end of this season I wont loose any sleep over it either.

It is up to the club to decide the way forward at the end of this year. Ill accept that decison either way for now

[rpfc 27,532]

So I take it from your cryptic answer that you don't feel there would be any drag-along financial benefit to hiring Malthouse and that he wouldn't bring more success? Fair enough that's your opinion

Just to back up your opinion - Carlton were on the down slope of very deep U-curve when Pagan was poached.

Malthouse would pay for himself in this landscape - if it's a success.

I'm sure when we talk to him, some numbers will be thown around - I would think that Malthouse will have football spending demands that might be prohibitive rather than his salary.

But we will see...

[old dee 22,930]

If we got a Malthouse I wonder how much money that would drag along from extra sponsorship, extra membership, extra attendance etc and then if we had more success it would continue to generate more money

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money

We certainly aint going to make money sitting in the bottom 10 and having the odd big win and many honorable losses.

I agree DC.

But you have inflamed my sensitivity DC.

"honourable losses" aarh!

[daisycutter 28,605]

I agree DC.

But you have inflamed my sensitivity DC.

"honourable losses" aarh!

yes, it was sarcasm. I should have put it in quotes though