Dean Bailey ... I apologize

[Range Rover 1,935]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

Edited June 3, 2011 by Range Rover

[btdemon 475]

We could see from DB's interview after the game where he reverted to his deadpan delivery that this is his method of dealing with the media, not what goes down in the club rooms. I like his inscrutability. I just wish all the naysayers would get off his back.

[Hannabal 4]

Yeah nah.

[Waltham33 409]

it is only one week - lets see this effort sustained.

[rpfc 27,590]

Yeah nah.

Another thread you read the title of and nothing more?

I don't know whether he will be coach, I don't think the decision should be made until the end of the season, but I will say this:

The bullsh!t that some on here throw around about him losing the players and about Viney being made caretaker (spreading the rumour, not the desire) is reprehensible.

So you can say what you like about Bailey's coaching but I am not an 'apologist' for pointing the BS when it befouls Demonland.

Edited June 4, 2011 by rpfc

[dee-luded 2,958]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

Hmmn, well done Mate.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,192]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

He showed a lot of passion particularly since it was against the team he played for in his career. Something to prove maybe?

[Demon Stalwart 255]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

Appology ? I think a tad to early yet.

Still plenty of games to go.

Great game last night and congratulations to Bailey and the team Bailey obviously helped get them up last night, however I want to see them play with the same Vigour and committment for the rest the season. They have showed on a couple of occassions now that they can do it and I am not just not talking about winning games, consistency and having a real hot go week in week out is what is needed , and if Bailey gets this out of them each game till the end of the season to me then that will determine if a appology is required. Till then as far as I am concerned the jury is still out .

But last night was encouraging, perform well against Collingwood next week and who knows as long as there is no more major injuries and the form from last night continues ?

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,275]

Credit where credit is due with Bailey he made some gutsy decisions this week. His change in public persona both during the week and post game was a breath of fresh air. His decision to load up on kids rather than mature list cloggers could have seriously backfired under Friday night lights but he backed it in and it proved successful. I dont know if he can extract that from this group each week but I expect to see a similar attacking strategy employed for the rest of the year. Yes there is times to be defensive but you play the game to win and if we go down attacking so be it.

Does not change my view on him for next year but some consistency of that intent and style for the remainder of the year would make me re-think my position. Certainly proves that we shouldn't pull the trigger until we have the full year to review.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I wrote this OP hammered drunk and happy at about 4am!

Still, I stand by the sentiments. I think he's been harshly marked by some of us on here and must be credited with taking risks and backing debutants. He could have gone down a different path.

Re the different side of his persona we saw during the week and after the game, sometimes that's all you have do to win some respect. Show that you care.

[timD 994]

Yeah nah.

Insightful. Demanding. Challenging.

Yeah.

Nah.

I'd come to expect an argument that was an argument from you. Another case of expectations having nothing to do with reality, I'd guess.

You do not have an argument about bailey. Actually, you have nothing at all about Bailey. We've shown know that if we win the midfield, we'll win the game. WE don't even have to win it by much to win the game. Your issue with game plan is now a non-issue. Another development year half-way through. Perhaps changing coach will get dunn, bate, petterd, newton, maric to be better? Because that is the only way that any criticism of bailey that you bring will make any sense.

[Harrisonrules 273]

It will be one of the biggest decisions the club has to make as the season progresses.

Last night was thrilling because it displayed our young talent and there is so much there.

Our three significant games this year, Swans, Adelaide, Bombers displayed not only talent but motivation and good team system.

Swans were the first game and you would hope we would be motivated. Adelaide and we had been 'bashed' by the media for our insipid display against the Coast. Bombers followed the bruise free debacle against the Blues and subsequent media humiliation. When we are humiliated and criticised, Yes we come out motivated. At least in these moments of glory we salivate in the potential.

Linking, potential talent, motivation, contemporary game style, and Dean Bailey is the great challenge. Getting it right or wrong could have great repercussions

[bing181 8,181]

His change in public persona both during the week and post game was a breath of fresh air.

The Dean we caught a glimpse of last night is, I suspect, what those at the inner sanctum see and get all the time.

Good thread, credit where due, both to Dean and to the original poster.

[Guest 36DD]

Only peanuts who dont understand football pot a coach on the back of a few disappointing performances with extenuating circumstances, we have seen the difference scully and trengove make to our side and to think we are without Jamar, Grimes, Garland, Bail, Batram and Tapscott.

The measure of a coach is how he reacts during a crisis. Bailey has never wavered. He is deadpan with the media because he understands they are a bunch of muppets trying to push a certain agenda. Firsty, when Bailey took over we had a boardroom spill from memory, the removal of McNamee, then the media giving us a bake for tanking and now this year for our perceived softness.

Please also do not lose sight of the fact that the essendon match was a must win and yet he was willing to play 2 debutants along with 2 recently promoted rookie list players, so much for self preservation.

All Bailey needs to do is extract consistency of effort from players and to give the top 8 a nudge or even scrape in and he will be re-appointed.

[pitchfork 181]

Bailey was good on SEN this morning. Was perhaps a little more animated than usual. Suggested to Dermie that some of the forwards had made good use of the ice bath after the game and when questioned about game plans and pressing, came up with a few examples of times where we'd pressed effectively.

I wonder, and hope, if Bailey and co. are looking to the 'post-press' era and trying to think of the next game plan? I'd welcome any thoughts on what that might be. I think we might have seen glimpses of something that could beat a good press last night - move the ball quickly and preferably by foot, to one-on-one's if necessary, backing our player to be better than his opponent (like Watts' mark in the goal square), and always playing the percentages - punching from behind whether forward or back, kicking long to the boundary line when options have dried up, hard running for four quarters...

The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether or not I have seen a better footy team than the Essendon 2000 team. They were rough bastards, they led and ran like maniacs, and their position kicking and marking in front of their faces at speed was great.

Clean up the skills, get some games into the younger players and we'll squash the press.

[Diablo Deemon 220]

Another thread you read the title of and nothing more?I don't know whether he will be coach, I don't think the decision should be made until the end of the season, but I will say this:The bullsh!t that some on here throw around about him losing the players and about Viney being made caretaker (spreading the rumour, not the desire) is reprehensible.So you can say what you like about Bailey's coaching but I am not an 'apologist' for pointing the BS when it befouls Demonland.

Couldn't agree more.

Plenty of flogs on this board running very ugly agendas.

A lot based on little to no fact and very poor insight into footy.

Reckon plenty proponents of the sack Bailey get Viney in and other crap ate hook line and sinker the majority of media driven conjecture.

On last nights performance we have a less experienced side than Gold Coast.

So floggo's step up if you can dish it you can take it.

Line up take a number and write your act of contrition.

Don't rush in all at once.....

[Sir Why You Little 34,690]

Great night for Dean Bailey last night, we now know what these kids are capable of. What we need to learn more about is if they can do it regularly.

And if they can play like that away from the MCG (Adelaide, Perth or the Cattery) Imagine that game style played in front of a hostile interstate crowd.

Bailey still has 12 matches to show his stuff, the jury is still out, but i loved his fist pump last night-He is now a True Demon.

I do hope he coaches beyond this year, these are his boys. He will win flags with these kids if he can get them to believe Full Time.

Come on Bails....."Just Do It".

He was great on SEN this morning, the podcast is worth hunting down.

[Diablo Deemon 220]

Got a link to podcast WYL?

[Sir Why You Little 34,690]

Got a link to podcast WYL?

Nothing on the SEN webpage DD...i am suprised-maybe they are slow on weekends

[Rogue 585]

A bunch of supporters on Demonland seem to be much more supportive of DB because they saw him reflect their emotion after the game. I find this a bit surprising.

Putting aside the question of DBs coaching, the scenes after the game indicated that the players - or at least a fair few - have an affinity for DB.

I'm pretty sure Moloney actually lifted DB off the ground at one stage!

[Guest 36DD]

Couldn't agree more.

Plenty of flogs on this board running very ugly agendas.

A lot based on little to no fact and very poor insight into footy.

Reckon plenty proponents of the sack Bailey get Viney in and other crap ate hook line and sinker the majority of media driven conjecture.

On last nights performance we have a less experienced side than Gold Coast.

So floggo's step up if you can dish it you can take it.

Line up take a number and write your act of contrition.

Don't rush in all at once.....

Yeh mate couldn't agree more, on another thread a few simpletons were calling for an investigation into our long injury list both currently and over the past few years whilst the current football admin have been at the club, insinuating possible under-resourcing or incompetence by personnel.

I asked them numerous times to provide injury stats across the afl for the past few years to determine whether there was an abnormality. These stats are available in the public domain, yet they continued to argue their point based on no facts.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Got a link to podcast WYL?

try under the latest video footage on the afl web page, "jack watts interview" right side of page

[Striker475 696]

Bailey was good on SEN this morning. Was perhaps a little more animated than usual. Suggested to Dermie that some of the forwards had made good use of the ice bath after the game and when questioned about game plans and pressing, came up with a few examples of times where we'd pressed effectively.

I wonder, and hope, if Bailey and co. are looking to the 'post-press' era and trying to think of the next game plan? I'd welcome any thoughts on what that might be. I think we might have seen glimpses of something that could beat a good press last night - move the ball quickly and preferably by foot, to one-on-one's if necessary, backing our player to be better than his opponent (like Watts' mark in the goal square), and always playing the percentages - punching from behind whether forward or back, kicking long to the boundary line when options have dried up, hard running for four quarters...

The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether or not I have seen a better footy team than the Essendon 2000 team. They were rough bastards, they led and ran like maniacs, and their position kicking and marking in front of their faces at speed was great.

Clean up the skills, get some games into the younger players and we'll squash the press.

That's an interesting thought. We've all seen how potent the counter can be against the press week after week, just have been unable to convert due to our own poor drilling. If you're wondering what I'm on about, see the situations in the Carlton game where we'd get the ball off half-back, play through the corridor quickly and kick it long to the Fwd50 for there to be no target because our forwards forgot to pull backwards. That sort of hard-running, possession-holding play where you actually trust in the ball carrier to not get tackled coupled with offering 1-on-1 options as well as leads could very well work. Issue is it's a high-skill level requirement plus it's very high-risk against a well-drilled zone, where those one-on-ones can turn to three-on-ones quickly.

We can still be exposed, but it was good watchin' last night.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Only peanuts who dont understand football pot a coach on the back of a few disappointing performances with extenuating circumstances, we have seen the difference scully and trengove make to our side and to think we are without Jamar, Grimes, Garland, Bail, Batram and Tapscott.

The measure of a coach is how he reacts during a crisis. Bailey has never wavered. He is deadpan with the media because he understands they are a bunch of muppets trying to push a certain agenda. Firsty, when Bailey took over we had a boardroom spill from memory, the removal of McNamee, then the media giving us a bake for tanking and now this year for our perceived softness.

Please also do not lose sight of the fact that the essendon match was a must win and yet he was willing to play 2 debutants along with 2 recently promoted rookie list players, so much for self preservation.

All Bailey needs to do is extract consistency of effort from players and to give the top 8 a nudge or even scrape in and he will be re-appointed.

Yep, the antithesis of consistant performance is, playing the youth. A gutsy man and Coach.

[Guest Thomo]

It's amazing how the team plays when they have external motivation. Like the Adelaide win, t

it show again that the coach can't get them going. i'll wait until Bailey gets the players to play well before i give him a pat on the back.