The Tom Scully Saga

[Rogue 585]

AFL can't touch us on grounds of Judd precedence.

Why is there this suggestion that Carlton were somehow evading AFL rules with the Visy deal?

All Clubs are allowed to do this - there's even a specific cap on these types of arrangements!

The poorer Clubs just don't do it because they can't afford it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

So you're getting worked up over a hypothetical.

What if hypotheticals didn't exist?

String Theory would Suffice!! B)

I am not getting worked up at all, i would just like an indication of where the MFC sit in 4 weeks time.

As J Riv says just above, this is a very pivotal time in the clubs history. If Scully stays 45,000 members will sign up next year...IMO

Edited June 7, 2011 by why you little

[Captain Jack Jordan 32]

Harry O'brien comes out of contract in 2012 .

Rumour has it that GWS want him and the filth want a first rounder .

Spread it .

[45HG 1,539]

I am not getting worked up at all, i would just like an indication of where the MFC sit in 4 weeks time.

As J Riv says just above, this is a very pivotal time in the clubs history. If Scully stays 45,000 members will sign up next year...IMO

Posting multiple times ranting about what should happen if he has signed with someone else is, in my view, getting worked up.

Why the arbitrary length of time? Why must the club say anything in 4 weeks? Why assume anything will change in the next 4 weeks to force the club to say anything other than what has already been said?

It's a pivotal time in our history, and you'd be stupid to think we're not doing things to try and keep him. But that's not what you said before - you said the club needs to be "strong on this," to which you still haven't explained what it means.

If the club makes finals this year we'll have 45,000 members next year, should the club come out in 4 weeks time and 'be strong" about making finals this year?

[Samsara 65]

Let's lose the pessimism that has too long been part of this club. I am confident MFC will do enough to keep him. Wish he would sign earlier to end of this speculation and over the top reactions, but he doesn't have to and it makes sense, on his part, to wait until the end of the year.

[Jaded No More 59,158]

Why is there this suggestion that Carlton were somehow evading AFL rules with the Visy deal?

All Clubs are allowed to do this - there's even a specific cap on these types of arrangements!

The poorer Clubs just don't do it because they can't afford it.

The AFL investigated the Judd-Visy deal, and found it was within the rules. That is what I mean by precedence.

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

Posting multiple times ranting about what should happen if he has signed with someone else is, in my view, getting worked up.

Why the arbitrary length of time? Why must the club say anything in 4 weeks? Why assume anything will change in the next 4 weeks to force the club to say anything other than what has already been said?

It's a pivotal time in our history, and you'd be stupid to think we're not doing things to try and keep him. But that's not what you said before - you said the club needs to be "strong on this," to which you still haven't explained what it means.

If the club makes finals this year we'll have 45,000 members next year, should the club come out in 4 weeks time and 'be strong" about making finals this year?

What are you talking about?? It's self explanitory. If you are in a muddle 45, i can't help you!! i have done a couple more generations of despair than you, so i do not wish to see another Absolute Gun leave before his peak even starts.

Too many have left our club to seek the ultimate prize.

[45HG 1,539]

Absolutely...at some stage the club has to make a stand...There is no point in us giving a signed GWS player game time on the MCG. We have to become really strong on this.

That said i am going to believe our coaches word at this stage.

you said the club needs to be "strong on this," to which you still haven't explained what it means.

What are you talking about?? It's self explanitory. If you are in a muddle 45, i can't help you!! i have done a couple more generations of despair than you, so i do not wish to see another Absolute Gun leave before his peak even starts.

I'm clearly not the one in a muddle.

Yes, because you're older than me, I must be fine with the prospect of a gun leaving

[H_T 2,941]

What are you talking about?? It's self explanitory. If you are in a muddle 45, i can't help you!! i have done a couple more generations of despair than you, so i do not wish to see another Absolute Gun leave before his peak even starts.

Too many have left our club to seek the ultimate prize.

45HG16 makes it quite clear. If anyone is "muddled" it is you WYL. And bringing out the old chestnut of "I've done a couple of more generations of despair" statement to impose some sort of superiority or standover tactics of another poster doesn't wash with me or by my guess, anyone else. It's a pissweak response that doesn't answer 45's question.

True to form, whenever you are pulled up you revert to the "what are you talking about?" time and again.

[rpfc 27,646]

But i didn't say that at all.....what i want to know is IF Tom has ALREADY signed a contract with GWS i think it is fair enough for the MFC to know.

I have never wanted to Force Tom to sign with us....i would hope he would see it as a good workplace.

But if infact he is at this stage playing under 2 contracts i would want to know, which is why i was interested in G Lyon's take

Not pure Rubbish at all 45.

He said he hasn't so there you go. No need to ask him about that.

[Crompton's the man 635]

Had a phone call on Tuesday night seeking me to purchase another raffle ticket of the centennary style - hope it has nothing to do with the club trying to assemble a warchest to ward off invaders

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

45HG16 makes it quite clear. If anyone is "muddled" it is you WYL. And bringing out the old chestnut of "I've done a couple of more generations of despair" statement to impose some sort of superiority or standover tactics of another poster doesn't wash with me or by my guess, anyone else. It's a pissweak response that doesn't answer 45's question.

True to form, whenever you are pulled up you revert to the "what are you talking about?" time and again.

Get off your High Tower Ned Flanders, i have stated my opinion & i really do not care whether you like it or not.

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

He said he hasn't so there you go. No need to ask him about that.

Apparently so Yes......

[rpfc 27,646]

Apparently so Yes......

No need for ultimatums then? Good.

[davey_magik 1]

For all those losing sleep over this, Watts was rumored to be going to the GC last year at the end of the season (Though to be fair nowhere near as much speculation as Scully has had) and he signed in the offseason.

I have faith he'll stay with us .

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Paul Connors thinks the new CBA may not be agreed upon until December - what does this mean for Scully, and others waiting for the new agreement to be signed?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-player-pay-deal-a-long-way-off/story-e6frf9jf-1226071304702

I still think there is merit in players waiting out the season before signing, even if the new CBA had been signed already, as their value can still increase.

This just adds a further complication to matters.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Paul Connors thinks the new CBA may not be agreed upon until December - what does this mean for Scully, and others waiting for the new agreement to be signed?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-player-pay-deal-a-long-way-off/story-e6frf9jf-1226071304702

I still think there is merit in players waiting out the season before signing, even if the new CBA had been signed already, as their value can still increase.

This just adds a further complication to matters.

Also, finally an article not linking Scully to GWS, mainly because Scully isnt Connors client, but... he was happy to mention Taylor Walker and Palmer as being seemingly gone,

Is the rumour getting old? the names arnt as good at this stage as Goldcoast imo

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

Also, finally an article not linking Scully to GWS, mainly because Scully isnt Connors client, but... he was happy to mention Taylor Walker and Palmer as being seemingly gone,

Is the rumour getting old? the names arnt as good at this stage as Goldcoast imo

December would make it very messy because players will actually be out of contract....Could help the MFC to get a deal done...

[Jordie_tackles 354]

December would make it very messy because players will actually be out of contract....Could help the MFC to get a deal done...

Or Player wont know what salary they may receive in future?? what the % mark up may end up at???

i doubt it will take that long

imagine a walk out prior to finals...lol AFL would bend over backwards

[Guest Artie Bucco]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-throws-2m-carrot-at-callan-ward/story-e6frf9jf-1226071330808

It sounds like GWS is throwing a hell of a lot of cash around.

Even with their concessions, I can't see how they could possibly have that much money to throw around.

At the bottom of the article Connors makes mention of Rich, Leuenberger and the Lions' salary cap struggles in recent years - which began with heavily back-ending contracts of guys like Black, Brown and Voss - all done by a bloke by the name of... Gubby Allen.

Edited June 7, 2011 by Artie Bucco

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

Or Player wont know what salary they may receive in future?? what the % mark up may end up at???

i doubt it will take that long

imagine a walk out prior to finals...lol AFL would bend over backwards

The Fat controller would be most unpleased i feel.

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-throws-2m-carrot-at-callan-ward/story-e6frf9jf-1226071330808

It sounds like GWS is throwing a hell of a lot of cash around.

Even with their concessions, I can't see how they could possibly have that much money to throw around.

At the bottom of the article Connors makes mention of Rich, Leuenberger and the Lions' salary cap struggles in recent years - which began with heavily back-ending contracts of guys like Black, Brown and Voss - all done by a bloke by the name of... Gubby Allen.

Bloody hell are GWS sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank!!!! Those figures are insane...

[Jordie_tackles 354]

In regards to WARD, off topic but feel sad for him with his manager coming out and stating the facts, ie 400k extra etc with half a season to go..... At least the Scully talk is "rumour" his mates now know he may walk out etc

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Bloody hell are GWS sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank!!!! Those figures are insane...

Remember that they have two years to poach players. That allows them to heavily front-end contracts to players they take this year and still have plenty to throw around next year. The majority of their list will be on basic beginner contracts so the distribution of the salary cap is skewed massively in favour of the players they are able to poach as well. These two factors allow them to offer obscene contracts to several players, with the bulk of the cash coming in the first year.

[Sir Why You Little 34,957]

Remember that they have two years to poach players. That allows them to heavily front-end contracts to players they take this year and still have plenty to throw around next year. The majority of their list will be on basic beginner contracts so the distribution of the salary cap is skewed massively in favour of the players they are able to poach as well. These two factors allow them to offer obscene contracts to several players, with the bulk of the cash coming in the first year.

oh i understand the front end contract, over 2 years alright. Many Club players and administrators are going to have a lot of sleepless nights.

The Dogs are a club very vulnerable to all this pillaging...and if the CBA is not resolved till at least late in the year, it is going to be a most volatile off season...