I caught up with an old mentor from my Carey Grammar days today. We spoke at length about school footy and in particular young Jack.

What I loved to hear was that he indeed went out of his way to get under Wojcinski's grill. What jockey-sized schoolboy tries to rough up a disgruntled 31-year-old Geelong Cat and (psychologically) succeeds?

If he falls to a second round pick then I'll be thrilled for the FD. Having said that I'll be equally as happy if he is taken at pick 3. "Culture changer" is an apt description of Jack. But he can't do it alone so that's where we need to get 3 and / or 4 + 13 right.

  On 30/08/2012 at 10:45, Deers said:

I caught up with an old mentor from my Carey Grammar days today. We spoke at length about school footy and in particular young Jack.

What I loved to hear was that he indeed went out of his way to get under Wojcinski's grill. What jockey-sized schoolboy tries to rough up a disgruntled 31-year-old Geelong Cat and (psychologically) succeeds?

If he falls to a second round pick then I'll be thrilled for the FD. Having said that I'll be equally as happy if he is taken at pick 3. "Culture changer" is an apt description of Jack. But he can't do it alone so that's where we need to get 3 and / or 4 + 13 right.

You'll like this from Knightmare Deers.

"I really value what Viney brings to the table. He strikes me as a culture changer. He is one of those few rare guys who from season one will really strike fear in the minds of the opposition and I expect with his attack on the ball and agression that it will really influence others to follow his example. He is one of those types where you want him on your team and his competitiveness and hardness rates up there and in my view exceeds that of Joel Selwood and Luke Hodge.

I have plenty of faith in Viney and have seen more than enough of him over the past two years to be sold on his game. But it's these intangibles that really puts him ahead of the others in my mind."

Anyone had a good read of bigfooty lately? The Western Bulldog supporters are hilarious in the type of desperate scenarios they try to come up with that would make it beneficial for GWS and GC to bid on Viney. Most out there unrealistic scenarios Iv seen in a long time.

This coming from a guy who browses DL on a daily basis.

  On 30/08/2012 at 22:41, olisik said:

Anyone had a good read of bigfooty lately? The Western Bulldog supporters are hilarious in the type of desperate scenarios they try to come up with that would make it beneficial for GWS and GC to bid on Viney. Most out there unrealistic scenarios Iv seen in a long time.

This coming from a guy who browses DL on a daily basis.

...and gives some of the most unlikely trade scenarios anyone has ever seen.

  On 30/08/2012 at 23:25, rpfc said:

...and gives some of the most unlikely trade scenarios anyone has ever seen.

Yep ":D

Speculation in today's Age that Jack Viney will be nominated at #2 by the Gold Coast Suns next month - Suns could put heat on Dees for Viney

The question is how would Melbourne respond?

It would be tempting for the Dees to take Grundy and Toumpas or O'Rourke with picks 3 and 4 giving us a terrific combination of tall & midfielder with the possibility of young Jack doing a Scully after 2 development years on the Coast and asking for a trade back to Melbourne.

Interesting times ahead!

If that is the case it's pretty simple we take him at 3. No drama at all.

Yes, anything is possible and speculation is rife.

Next?

Here is what I don't understand. Why doesn't he pull a Nik Nat?

Come out publicly saying that he has lived around the country but that he want's to stay in Melbourne as he feels it's his home and he'll play his best here. The kid is going to play AFL and get drafted by someone so it's not like he's doing a disservice to his chances on draft day.

That way GCS and GWS know that he'll ask to be traded home after 2 years if they chance their hand. It's not draft tampering by us as there is plenty of precedents of this by other players and I think it set's him up well as a future player for the club that he is 97% likely to play for anyway. He starts the relationship on the right foot.

Not if they want Tippett. I am sure Crows will tell them if they want Tippett, they better have pick 2 left to trade with.

Honestly, we have no ideea what the the situation with Viney will be.

There is nothing I have seen that makes me sure that O'Rourke or Toumpas will be better than Viney. Watch the finals and work out who you would want to be in the trenches with when we rise as a finals contender. If we need to take him at 3 we take him as he is worthy of that pick but fingers crossed they dont nominate and we score him in the second round.

Ok, he is a top 5 pick anyway, just take him at 3 if GC nominate for him. We will then get who we wanted at 3 with pick 4. Come on fellas

What date is the father son nominations?

We will not pick up viney with pick number 3, I cannot see it happening! Not that he isn't a good player but the fact of the matter is he is not the second best player in the draft, so by gold coast nominating him they will effectively waste their first round pick on a player who will come back and play for Melbourne anyway!

Il put it like this, if there is a lance Franklin, a Gary ablett and a Matthew pavlich in the draft, and we had Nathan jones as our father son pick, and the club before us said they will take Nathan jones ahead of one of those players, we will happily say fine, and take two of the others! Our recruiting hasn't been flash granted but there is always a time to start, and this year heres hoping we do!

  On 12/09/2012 at 21:55, Mad_Melbourne said:

We will not pick up viney with pick number 3, I cannot see it happening! Not that he isn't a good player but the fact of the matter is he is not the second best player in the draft, so by gold coast nominating him they will effectively waste their first round pick on a player who will come back and play for Melbourne anyway!

Il put it like this, if there is a lance Franklin, a Gary ablett and a Matthew pavlich in the draft, and we had Nathan jones as our father son pick, and the club before us said they will take Nathan jones ahead of one of those players, we will happily say fine, and take two of the others! Our recruiting hasn't been flash granted but there is always a time to start, and this year heres hoping we do!

Yes we will, if that's what it takes.

  On 12/09/2012 at 21:50, trenners said:

What date is the father son nominations?

Hope it is soon...cringed when I saw another Jack Viney draft thread.

F/S nominations 5th October. It's on our calendar.

Its as though everyone thinks we can sneak one past the guard. Well if we can good luck to us but the club will know that the most likely outcome is having to ante up. If it can get away with a 2nd rounder it will ( of course ) but thats a bonus, not the expected. Hes worth a top pick to us. We're trying to have our cake and eat it me thinks by many a view.

All things are connected and after the season proper has ended and when formal approaches CAN be made to other players the lay of the land might start to form. Any which way it will be poker faces all round come Oct 8 .

  On 12/09/2012 at 22:01, rjay said:

Yes we will, if that's what it takes.

We shouldn't fall for draft tampering, but I really don't see gold coast nominating him anyway! But I think viney will be coming to the club with pick 20odd or after 2 seasons at gc

Everyone thats saying he can simply come back after 2 years..Why would we wait. It will cost us as much then as now to secure him. GC wouldnt just hand him up. After 2 years in the system and more than likely a gun, he'll cost. (probably more

Why not simply admit this , pay up if we have to and have the benefit of having him now, have others around him enjoying it too.

Im sick and tired of planning for 2-3 years down the track by playing with some swap card mentality collecting picks etc. Picks etc are there to be used. ,not collected and banked as such, theyre the coin of the football realm. Yes, you are supposed to spend it, just wisely.

  On 12/09/2012 at 21:26, Redleg said:

Not if they want Tippett. I am sure Crows will tell them if they want Tippett, they better have pick 2 left to trade with.

Totally agree! All these other clubs dont want us to be in this golden position we are in..too bad so sad...theres always ways around these situations...we will see wont we..

I really want Viney but MFC know best,end of story.

I still think it's all a bluff from the Suns. They will either send the pick to the Crows for Tippett or take someone like Toumpas or Grundy in the draft and Viney will slip through to our second rounder.

We are due some luck after all...

  On 12/09/2012 at 21:26, Redleg said:

Not if they want Tippett. I am sure Crows will tell them if they want Tippett, they better have pick 2 left to trade with.

well we'll know soon enough

In the article there is no quote about the suns even thinking about taking Viney. There is speculation and that is it. I wouldn't be shocked to see a G.W.S contemplate Viney article soon as well. This is an article for the sake of one, nothing more.