Did you want McMahon to kick the goal?

[twist 0]

The AFL administration has made me want my team to lose, its a sad state of affairs.

[Cards13 9,117]

No, I'll never go to support my team to lose.

That being said that was the worst game I have seen from 2 teams trying to win a game. We did not deserve to win it.

Edited August 2, 2009 by Cards13

[titan_uranus 24,631]

That being said that was the worst game I have seen from 2 teams trying to win a game.

No it wasn't, because there was only 1 team trying to win a game (and by that I don't mean the players weren't trying, because they were. I mean that the MFC was not trying to beat Richmond).

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Why would everyone want us to lose?

We haven't won our 4 games yet.

[Jaded No More 67,772]

Everyone can get on their high horse and blame the AFL for a system that encourages teams to lose, and supporters to barrack against their team, but the fact remains that priority picks have helped many many clubs turn their fortunes around. Have a look at St.Kilda.

So yeah, it's a [censored] system but it's there for a reason, and we would have no chance in hell of ever winning a premiership if that system was not in place because putting it simply, we have no resources, no cash flow and no power to manufacture a premiership in any other way.

It's the only system in the AFL that rewards everyone equally, without prejudice.

Yes, you are going to the footy hoping your team loses, yes that sucks, but you get to walk away with hope that things will get better, the team will get better. Had we won today, it would have done nothing for our future, absolutely nothing. I don't want to beat a rubbish team, I want a premiership, and getting the best players to your club is still the only proven method of winning a flag.

[Gorgoroth 12,712]

Cos I want to [censored] Freo

[Choko 493]

No, I'll never go to support my team to lose.

That being said that was the worst game I have seen from 2 teams trying to win a game. We did not deserve to win it.

You don't get it. Barracking for us to win is barracking for us to lose. In 7 days time this goes down as a meaningless game in terms of the short term result. In 5 years time it could well go down as one of the better days in our club's history.

Did Carlton lose when we defeated them in Rd 22 and they used their pick and leverage to gain Judd and Kreuzer? No. So Carlton supporters were quite right to be singing their song after that game. I for one was ecstatic.

Of course the system should and will change. But while it is like this, thank goodness for McMahon.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Self explanitory. I feel pretty dirty about it, but i did.

EDIT: For the life of me i can't figure out how to work these polls, so if any mod can add one for me that'd be cool.

I don't feel dirty @ all, but I feel sad for the game (AFL), that this thing where teams are not trying to win the points, is harmfull to the game itself & we must all ensure that a lottery system inclusive of the priority pick is added into the lottery barrell.

That way the certainty of pick 1 goes out the window, the 9th team on the ladder could end up with first pick, if they were lucky.

The bottom team that may also have a priority pick, could say, end up with the priority pick falling @ say selection 6, & their fist pick might be drawn out @ selection 4.

The second bottom team, say without a priority pick, may be unlucky & get selection @ 7th.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

You don't get it. Barracking for us to win is barracking for us to lose. In 7 days time this goes down as a meaningless game in terms of the short term result. In 5 years time it could well go down as one of the better days in our club's history.

Did Carlton lose when we defeated them in Rd 22 and they used their pick and leverage to gain Judd and Kreuzer? No. So Carlton supporters were quite right to be singing their song after that game. I for one was ecstatic.

Of course the system should and will change. But while it is like this, thank goodness for McMahon.

What gives you the right to say that?

I'm a Melbourne supporter, I barrack for them to win.

What's the point of turning up if you want your team to lose?

Come on, someone tell me that.

[Ryan Dee 140]

YES.....When he kicked that goal it was HIGH 5's all around in my house.

[Cards13 9,117]

You don't get it. Barracking for us to win is barracking for us to lose. In 7 days time this goes down as a meaningless game in terms of the short term result. In 5 years time it could well go down as one of the better days in our club's history.

Did Carlton lose when we defeated them in Rd 22 and they used their pick and leverage to gain Judd and Kreuzer? No. So Carlton supporters were quite right to be singing their song after that game. I for one was ecstatic.

Of course the system should and will change. But while it is like this, thank goodness for McMahon.

Of course I "get it". You can try and justify your feelings on wanting a loss but I don't agree with you.

[titan_uranus 24,631]

What's the point of turning up if you want your team to lose?

Come on, someone tell me that.

I turned up to see how the match panned out. I turned up because I've already paid for the right to be there. I turned up because I wanted to see some of our younger players.

I don't enjoy watching us lose, but I know that losing gives us a better chance at winning a flag.

[rpfc 28,052]

What gives you the right to say that?

I'm a Melbourne supporter, I barrack for them to win.

What's the point of turning up if you want your team to lose?

Come on, someone tell me that.

That's a very 'results driven' attitude.

Commendable.

Unless you are trying to build a team to win a flag...

Then it becomes naive...

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Trying to build a team?

It's not complicated.

This is how footy goes:

18 players are on the field for each team, all in different positions.

Each player works together to try and beat the opposition.

The only way of building a team is by winning.

[Jaded No More 67,772]

I turned up because I wanted to see some of our younger players.

That's the one.

Although Jack and Ricky were really starting to [censored] me off with their skills and goal-kicking abilities! :angry:

I walked away from today very positive about our future for so many reasons.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

That's the one.

Although Jack and Ricky were really starting to [censored] me off with their skills and goal-kicking abilities! :angry:

I walked away from today very positive about our future for so many reasons.

You came here to see younger players play?

Well, younger players tank according to you.

[Choko 493]

Cute.

You and Cards should sit together.

Trying to build a team?

It's not complicated.

This is how footy goes:

18 players are on the field for each team, all in different positions.

Each player works together to try and beat the opposition.

The only way of building a team is by winning.

[IWAP 170]

I walked away from today very positive about our future for so many reasons.

Same here. I really liked the fact that it would have been very easy for the players to just go through the motions, especially when it was obvious that the coaching box wanted us to lose. Instead our younger players, led by Jones, Grimes, Dunn, Valenti, Petterd - said hell no, we want the 4 points from this game, stuff the consequences.

The winning culture in our younger brigade is there

Win / Win today.

[titan_uranus 24,631]

You came here to see younger players play?

Well, younger players tank according to you.

You're an idiot. Sorry to have to say that. No one here is suggesting that players don't try to win. They do. It's the coaches that don't want to win.

[Eastie Boyz 0]

I hate it but I cheered like we had won a final

Spose that happens when we don't look like winning one for almost a decade . . .

[Tony Tea 2,804]

You need a Yes AND No option.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I didn't cheer but i wanted him to kick it. The AFL should be ashamed with themselves for putting fans like us in this position. Just get rid of the priority pick!

Teams would still tank for a Judd or a Franklin, the extra pick (priority), just adds incentive.

The priority pick, concept is valuable to truly down & out teams.

But the certainty of finishing amongst the bottom 2 or 3 & getting one of the best kids in the land, is just too strong.

The lottery style (bottom 8) draft, with the priority pick rolling around in that barrell, will sort this issue.

Edited August 2, 2009 by dee-luded

[Je Roos Salem 661]

You're an idiot. Sorry to have to say that. No one here is suggesting that players don't try to win. They do. It's the coaches that don't want to win.

I'm not an idiot. I just don't know why you would want our players play. But not win. What if Jack Grimes or Ricky Petterd were having shots on goal on the siren?

[45HG 1,539]

Spose that happens when we don't look like winning one for almost a decade . . .

Good call.

Essendon don't look like winning a final for almost a decade.

[dee-luded 2,959]

No it wasn't, because there was only 1 team trying to win a game (and by that I don't mean the players weren't trying, because they were. I mean that the MFC was not trying to beat Richmond).

And Richmond wasn't trying to beat Melbourne. Thats the way it looked to me.