Can these players win us a premership?

[DangerousDemon 3]

Here are all the players on our list which of these could contribute to the winning of a premiership. Here is my opinion I wonder what others think.

Bail N/A

Bartram No

Bate No

Bell No

Bennell Yes

Blease N/A

Bruce Yes

Buckley No

Cheney Yes

Davey yes

Dunn No

Frawley Yes

Garland Yes

Green Yes

Grimes Yes

Jamar No

Jetta Yes

Johnson No

Jones Yes

Jurrah N/A

Maric Yes

Martin Yes

McDonald No

McLean Yes

McNamara N/A

Meesen No

Miller Yes

Moloney Yes

Morton Yes

Newton No

Petterd Yes

Rivers Yes

Robertson No

Strauss N/A

Sylvia Yes

Warnock Yes

Watts N/a

Wheatley No

Whelan No

Wonaeamirri Yes

B Rivers Martin Cheney

HB Warnock Garland Grimes

C Mclean Sylvia Morton

HF Jetta Miller Davey

FF Petterd Watts Wonaeamirri

Foll Moloney Jones

Int Benell

Maybe this is what Dean has in mind, maybe its not but it seems more than a coincidence that he is suddenly moving toward youth. With the whisper that Mcnamara may play on the weekend is this the case? Seems there are only a few spaces to fill here for what might be a good team going forward.

Thoughts please

[45HG 1,539]

I, for one, just don't believe in the concept.

[Real Demon 232]

It's not a simple yes / no answer.

How can Cheney, Jetta, Bennell, Grimes etc etc be listed as yes?

We have seen hardly anything from these guys yet to be making calls like this.

[DangerousDemon 3]

It's not a simple yes / no answer.

How can Cheney, Jetta, Bennell, Grimes etc etc be listed as yes?

We have seen hardly anything from these guys yet to be making calls like this.

well mate I know this much for sure as little as we have seen of them, what they have shown us is a hell of a lot better than anything Newton or Jamar have shown in their years on the list. This is foresight only but Dean bailey must have a plan. In terms of premierships I believe it is as simple s this, and that Bailey will be that ruthless when the time comes that he has both the robustness and depth in his list. Bate looks terribly slow ATM, more so than ever......... to be continued I guess

[Real Demon 232]

Don't get me wrong, those players have potential from what I have seen and can tell................but whether we can build that potential into players of a premiership calibre is a tough thing to know.

Our track record in developing players IMO has been poor!

[H_T 3,043]

I, for one, just don't believe in the concept.

Yes. A bit far fetched. Fwiw I don't think Bruce & Green will be around for it. Would love to be proved wrong.

[DangerousDemon 3]

Yes. A bit far fetched. Fwiw I don't think Bruce & Green will be around for it. Would love to be proved wrong.

Well can you suggest something better than what I have High Tower. You say you think it is far fetched how so, can you do better. Come on guys a bit of positive insight here.

[demoniac 1,330]

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All Premiership players in recent times.

The "We'll never win a Premiership with HIM' exercise is generally a spurious one.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

I, for one, just don't believe in the concept.

I do.

If you follow a team that hasn't won a premiership in 45 years, judging the footballing ability and assessing the mental capacity of the players on our list (old and new) seems like a pretty good place to start. Of course we can't categorically make calls on players who we have seen little from but surely testing your skill as a footballing follower to project the likely or even possible future of individual players and our list as a whole is a worthwhile exercise - certainly one fit for a footballing forum that should have as its core business the promotion of discussion.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

The "We'll never win a Premiership with HIM' exercise is generally a spurious one.

Maybe, but it's not a bad start. Sure, the 21st and 22nd best players in the premiership teams of the past may not be pivotal and in some cases barely AFL standard but comparing the most influential 12 - 15 certainly is an exercise well worth the time.

[H_T 3,043]

Well can you suggest something better than what I have High Tower. You say you think it is far fetched how so, can you do better. Come on guys a bit of positive insight here.

Where do I start? You've said 'no' to three ruckman - Meesen, Johnson & Jamar without listing Spencer (rookie) as well. You've also said no to the likes of Bate, Dunn & Buckley who are still developing and learning positions. Too early to right them off just yet IMO.

And half the list nearly have N/A to their name. Either we haven't seen them yet or we haven't seen enough of them.

Truth is, they could all possibly contribute in one way or another if things fell into place, but there is too many variables in reality.

As Real Demon stated: -

those players have potential from what I have seen and can tell................but whether we can build that potential into players of a premiership calibre is a tough thing to know.

Our track record in developing players IMO has been poor!

If you want to be serious about players that can win a premiership for Melbourne, you must identify how long away may it happen? My estimates are perhaps anywhere between 5-10 years away. Which is why I stated I don't think Bruce & Green will be around for the tilt. That may seem as a shock to you & others, but I'm being realistic. There is alot of changes to the Players List in that time. New recruits/draftees. Retirements and trades. Career ending injuries.

As demoniac states: -

The "We'll never win a Premiership with HIM' exercise is generally a spurious one.

[Lamberto Bava 6]

Frawley and Maric get a yes but aren't in your team.

Also i'm not sure how you can give Watts an N/A but still put him in the team while Blease and Strauss get N/A's but don't get in? I'd have those two locked in for our next premiership side.

[Guest digga]

I have so much to say about your YES and NO's that i just cant be bothered.

[Adelaide Demon 0]

Buckley is a gun, get him fit and hopefully he will show it.

[BAMF 4,319]

Too hard to make a call on some of those players.

It would have been eaiser to say

I dont think these players contribute to our next premiership

Dunn, Bell, Newton etc etc.

[Roger Mellie 3,996]

Bailey has got his premiership side in mind (constantly). IMHO:

a] it doesn't look muchlike that

b] it has quite a few blanks in it

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Maybe, but it's not a bad start. Sure, the 21st and 22nd best players in the premiership teams of the past may not be pivotal and in some cases barely AFL standard but comparing the most influential 12 - 15 certainly is an exercise well worth the time.

Completely agree with that.

Build that core of 12 to 15 is pivotal including hopefully the development of your top 4 to 6 into or near stars. The 15 to 30 is not as critical but you want to ensure that they are at the least capable competent and competitive footballers who fulfill a role for the team.

[loges 6,767]

Here are all the players on our list which of these could contribute to the winning of a premiership. Here is my opinion I wonder what others think.

Bail N/A

Bartram No

Bate No

Bell No

Bennell Yes

Blease N/A

Bruce Yes

Buckley No

Cheney Yes

Davey yes

Dunn No

Frawley Yes

Garland Yes

Green Yes

Grimes Yes

Jamar No

Jetta Yes

Johnson No

Jones Yes

Jurrah N/A

Maric Yes

Martin Yes

McDonald No

McLean Yes

McNamara N/A

Meesen No

Miller Yes

Moloney Yes

Morton Yes

Newton No

Petterd Yes

Rivers Yes

Robertson No

Strauss N/A

Sylvia Yes

Warnock Yes

Watts N/a

Wheatley No

Whelan No

Wonaeamirri Yes

B Rivers Martin Cheney

HB Warnock Garland Grimes

C Mclean Sylvia Morton

HF Jetta Miller Davey

FF Petterd Watts Wonaeamirri

Foll Moloney Jones

Int Benell

Maybe this is what Dean has in mind, maybe its not but it seems more than a coincidence that he is suddenly moving toward youth. With the whisper that Mcnamara may play on the weekend is this the case? Seems there are only a few spaces to fill here for what might be a good team going forward.

Thoughts please

No Frawley??

[e25 5]

Bailey has got his premiership side in mind (constantly). IMHO:

a] it doesn't look muchlike that

b] it has quite a few blanks in it

I think you're spot on.

THis sort of exercise is imho pointless as there are at least 7 players that aren't on our list right now, that will fill spots in our next premiership side.

... maybe even 22.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

I think a better question would have been how many of these players will still be with us in 2012 when we can challenge for a premiership again?

Of that question I would have said.

Buckley-Yes

Jones-Yes

Bartram-Yes

Watts-Yes

McLean-Yes

Bate-Yes

Miller-Traded Gold Coast

Frawley-Yes

Morton-Yes

Johnson-Yes

Sylvia-Traded

Dunn-Traded

Petterd-Yes

Grimes-Yes

Green-Retired

Maric-Yes

Garland-Yes

Bell-Traded

Moloney-Yes

McDonald-Retired

Robertson-Retired

Cheney-Yes

Meesen-Yes

Rivers-Yes

Newton-Traded West Sydney

McNamara-Yes

Wheatley-Retired

Bruce-Retired

Wonna-Yes

Martin-Yes

Davey-Yes

Warnock-Yes

Jetta-Yes

Jamar-Delisted

Bail-Traded Gold Coast

Bennell-Yes

Whelan-Retired

Blease-Yes

Strauss-Yes

Jurrah-Yes

ROOKIES

Spencer-Promoted

Healey-Promoted

* Note the reason there aren't to many players delisted as due to the fact we have a young side and for two drafts in a row GC and WS will have all the picks we will be more inclined to hold on to more players rather then delisting large numbers at a time.

[DangerousDemon 3]

I think a better question would have been how many of these players will still be with us in 2012 when we can challenge for a premiership again?

Of that question I would have said.

Buckley-Yes

Jones-Yes

Bartram-Yes

Watts-Yes

McLean-Yes

Bate-Yes

Miller-Traded Gold Coast

Frawley-Yes

Morton-Yes

Johnson-Yes

Sylvia-Traded

Dunn-Traded

Petterd-Yes

Grimes-Yes

Green-Retired

Maric-Yes

Garland-Yes

Bell-Traded

Moloney-Yes

McDonald-Retired

Robertson-Retired

Cheney-Yes

Meesen-Yes

Rivers-Yes

Newton-Traded West Sydney

McNamara-Yes

Wheatley-Retired

Bruce-Retired

Wonna-Yes

Martin-Yes

Davey-Yes

Warnock-Yes

Jetta-Yes

Jamar-Delisted

Bail-Traded Gold Coast

Bennell-Yes

Whelan-Retired

Blease-Yes

Strauss-Yes

Jurrah-Yes

ROOKIES

Spencer-Promoted

Healey-Promoted

* Note the reason there aren't to many players delisted as due to the fact we have a young side and for two drafts in a row GC and WS will have all the picks we will be more inclined to hold on to more players rather then delisting large numbers at a time.

Hi,

Very good insight and I really hope it works out to be the case. Thanks for the great reply

[mo64 5,853]

I, for one, just don't believe in the concept.

I agree. It's a ridiculous excercise because premiership teams are made up of players with varying degrees of talent and qualities.

An average indvidual player in an average team can actually play an important role in a premiership team. Stephen Gilham is a case in point.

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All Premiership players in recent times.

The "We'll never win a Premiership with HIM' exercise is generally a spurious one.

Good point. Even though Nathan Ablett was a decent player IMO. But the rest of them, well...

[Roost It 1,434]

B Rivers Martin Cheney

HB Warnock Garland Grimes

C Mclean Sylvia Morton

HF Jetta Miller Davey

FF Petterd Watts Wonaeamirri

Foll Moloney Jones

Int Benell

Team for 2010 and news clipping as well.

Fairly pointless but you have to let the imagination out from time to time!

It's not a bad side if all goes as we hope

B Rivers Warnock Frawley

HB Garland Martin Davey

C Morton Grimes Blease

HF Jurrah Watts Miller

FF Petterd Butcher Wonaeamirri

FOLL Meesen Scully Jones

INT Strauss Mclean Bennell Maric

EM Spencer Jetta Moloney McNamara

Team 2010 Round 8

Melbourne currently sitting 4 wins and 4 losses seem to be fielding their strongest side in years with the inclusion of boom recruits Tom Scully and John Butcher. Liam Jurrah comes back into the side after kicking 21 goals for Casey, a VFL/VFA record. Tom McNamara unlucky to miss out. Coach Dean Bailey was seen licking his lips in anticipation of the Watts Butcher combination

[beelzebub 23,313]

Im not really too sure why some think this an irrelevent exercise or more the point one of no merit.

As I read it the question is..who on thelist would you think participatory in a premiership team.

It probably has a time window of the next 4-8 years.. but its open to the reader.

I dont see this as hard..nor teh idea of a yes and no and too simplistic, in fact its really a yes /no situation otherwise you could add in an infinitum of qualifiers.

DO I see the following as part of a Premiership team? I will use only one conditional alternative.. i.e where insufficent is known/seen but relying on extrapolating what we can reasonably summise...and that will result in a "possible"

Bail Possile

Bartram No

Bate No

Bell No

Bennell Yes

Blease Possible

Bruce No

Buckley No

Cheney Yes

Davey yes

Dunn No

Frawley Yes

Garland Yes

Green Possile ( age might stop )

Grimes Yes

Jamar No

Jetta Yes

Johnson No

Jones Yes

Jurrah Possible

Maric Yes

Martin Yes

McDonald No

McLean Yes

McNamara Possible

Meesen No

Miller No

Moloney Yes

Morton Yes

Newton No

Petterd Yes

Rivers No

Robertson No

Strauss Possible

Sylvia No

Warnock Yes

Watts Yes

Wheatley No

Whelan No

Wonaeamirri Yes

There are as another alludes .."gaps" on Baileys preferred starting team..these will be filled with whom ever we can draft or trade for over the next 2-3 years.

I would not expect a serious tilt for 4 years.. but see us as an entirely resaonable prospect then..REALLY !!