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Anybody else seen this? Are Pat McKenna and Cam Guthrie the same person?

2014 Trade Sam Frost, NDS 40 (Alex Neal-Bullen) & NDS 53 (Oscar McDonald), traded by GWS for NDS 23 (Patrick McKenna)

Young Good size Elite sportsman Been in the system a couple of years Just finished a good season Cost bugger all What's not to like?

He is an absolute gun (well...now that he is playing for us he is)

The sad thing about trading Dunn and delisting Grimes this year is that they're two MFC players who absolutely deserve to be participating in the resurgence of this club that is clearly underway right now. Yet, for the reasons known to all (i.e. that we now have a well balanced and exciting list), they are the victims of the very resurgence that they each probably spent so many years longing for. Top clubmen, both of them. Good luck to them.

The next photo shows him dropping his head.

We picked up two best 22 players and lost none. We held onto all of our young prospects. We paid a mid-second-rounder. A clear win.

I watched Chris at many a pre season training session and the way he took it upon himself to impart his experience and wisdom on the younger brigade was exceptional, whilst at the same time struggling individually with injury and form. A quality individual. All the best Chris.

I'm of the belief that a truly great footy club leaves the players who pass through it's doors (no pun intended) as better citizens. Yes, it doesn't always go that way. i.e. Sylvia However, Chris Dawes is intelligent and articulate and conducts himself incredibly well. Did he succeed at Melbourne? Not really but you would hope and suspect that he will leave the club as a young man with a bright future and better for his experience as a top-line sportsman.

I'm not sure we'll have a winning draft period Mr Steve but we've done well in the trade period imo. We go into next year with Lewis, Hibberd and Melksham in our best 22, that's a considerable strengthening of our list that will be enhanced by the natural development of our young talent. Anything less than finals next year will be a fail. We are finally back. These last 10 years my mates have been mightily impressed with my knowledge of the new draftees coming through. I'd tell them all the things I'd learnt about their new young players trawling endlessly through phantom drafts. This year I know nothing about the upcoming draft class and it feels bloody good, long may it last.

Time to pay tribute to Grimesy ... delisted and not picked up in the trade period. Thanks for your efforts for the club and hopefully, someone will select you in the coming weeks as a delisted free agent.

Top bloke who always gave up plenty of time to my young lad whenever we ventured to training... Unlucky with his body breaking down constantly...

But does he spread like butter?

Thanks for your services Dawesy, I'm sure you hoped for it to work out better and I have no doubt your legacy off the field will provide a wealth of knowledge and benefit in our future

Is it a concern that SOS rates him??

A couple of tweets going around saying he has been delisted. If so I would like to say thanks to Chris, he no doubt gave his all for the red and blue at every chance he got. Just a pity his body didn't allow him to do it more often.

Hawthorn's first pick is 88 - the pick from the Sam Mitchell deal so it was worthwhile after all!

For what it's worth I give him a F- during his time as the coach of Richmond

Knows where his off stump is, and leaves the ball well.

Or his hands

Never heard of him, but welcome and good luck.

Welcome to the greatest club in the world, Pat. I back Taylor/Viney's judgement on this one.

Cheers to you Lynden. All the best.

It means, "man who disgraced himself by the bad influence of ignoble people but who was able to redeem himself by leaving them and surrounding himself with wise and upstanding people instead".

Reckon you can only decide the strength of a draft in retrospect

BBO

A bit of a whacky way of thinking here but: 1st rounders: Oliver, Weideman (both low end age 2015) 2nd rounders: Melksham, Hibberd & Lewis 3rd round: McKenna I'm so pleased with the team of Viney, Mahoney & Taylor - smart operators in this area now, wait the wildcard that's coming IMO.

Wow.

I find these sort of comments totally tasteless and unnecessary. Perhaps it's just me.

Let's just wait until this is officially announced by the club before we go down this path. It's a respect thing.

I share the nostalgia around Dunn, Grimes et al and how deserving they would be of playing in our resurgent team. But lets not forget they were the players and the leaders in those years of massive, demoralising losses - they must take some considerable share of responsibility for that on-field performance, notwithstanding they worked their butts off. And, if they were still in our team we would not be the resurgent team that we are becoming. The club is gave them every opportunity to make it in the new regime and is giving them every opportunity to find a new club without asking anything in return. There is not more the club can do. I wish those that leaving well but it is time to move on.

Good post. I think we are all aware that there is no great white hope. We have seen them come and go, some fail, come contribute something, some contribute a lot and win Brownlows. However, it rarely converts into Premiership glory. As the saying goes, to win flags you need a champion team not a team of champions. To win flags you need a blend of skills, leadership, experience, toughness, depth, and resilience to injuries. You also need individual and team expectation and confidence that you can win every game you play and be able to go all the way. You need exuberant youth and older wiser hardheads. We are building this blend of players. Like Vince, with Lewis we are adding a player with many of the elements we need most. He may be slowing up, he may be more prone to injury, but he brings a blend of skills, experience, leadership, toughness and winning know how. Sure he is not the White Knight but he walks into our team with a hell of a lot of what we don't have and what we need. As said before, like the re-signing of Hogan, the move of Lewis to Melbourne instils confidence in the coaching staff, players, supporters, and the footy world that we are once again a decent footy club and not one to be scorned. The addition of Lewis and Hibberd, assuming they have an injury free run are going to make a hell of a difference to winning football games.

lol @ the Lewis haters. I said when Bernie was brought to the club that as much as I thought he was a star, he won't be there when we're winning flags. How wrong I was about his worth. You don't necessarily bring guys in just to be the cream that wins you the flag after getting close the year before. Bernie has been massive for the development of our kids. The best of them are just through their second season. What applies to Bernie applies to Lewis too. Only Lewis is better. More successful. Higher credentialed and more decorated. Personally, I think the way footy is going he'll easily play well into his 3rd year. And his first two we will see such a lift in output skill wise people won't even recognize the team, and a lot of that will be due to the 20 kicks a game Viney, Tyson, Jones, Olly and Vince feed out to him. Our biggest weaknesses right now are skill and pace, and Lewis is one of the best kicks going around. You really can count on demonland oldies to get woe is me about something with literally no downside. Or is it 'ology oldies?

So many question Milesh. He's a middle order left hand bat and a handy slow left arm orthodox tweeter, we must be needing an all rounder, that is all I know.

To be completely fair I liked both those trades at the time.

wagner can remain a rookie; there's no need whatsoever to elevate.

As I posted in the other thread, we effectively got Hibberd and Lewis for 29 which is a stellar result. Went in with 29, 48, 66, 84. Came out with 47, 69, 84. Dunn vs McKenna steak knives

We received a pick upgrade from 57 to 51, then a downgrade of a later pick - he was practically free.

No mention here and no mention on GF day either

We really don't leak.

It's fine to hate Scully in a cartoon villain sense. But for anyone who genuinely hates a 20 year old dealing with an unprecedented situation, with millions of dollars at stake, a reshuffle of priorities is in order. The vast majority of people would've made the same decision he did, and likely stumbled their way through it.

Breaking news: Casey Scorpions request player not draft pick from the Pies for Lynden Dunn

Michael Gleeson from The Age has been questioning the move by Melbourne this morning on SEN, but as you say, the whole speed issue is overblown if you're a contested ball-winning team, who moves the ball quickly and knows where to spread. The Dogs just won a flag, but how quick is their midfield ? Libba, Hunter, Bontempelli are not speedsters. They've got JJ off half-back, while we've got Hunt. Besides, there's nothing wrong with the pace of Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Stretch, Kent, Harmes. Some of those players aren't express, but foot speed isn't a liability.

In the excitement of bringing Jordan Lewis aboard there is much commentary on his leadership and experience in winning 3 flags in a row 2013/15 - all absolutely correct and positive for the MFC. In addition to this, I think his 2008 experience will be invaluable. He was only 22 at the time, the same as Viney, Petracca et al now, and they came from the clouds to knock off the dominant teams and win a premiership. His locker room tales of 2008 will be inspirational.

Lewis has always relied on brilliant smarts, reading the play, contested ball-winning and silky disposal. Even if he won't be as good on the spread as younger players, Melbourne's contested ball-winning is far superior to Hawthorn's and Lewis' role can alter accordingly. His lack of a pace will be less of an issue in a team that's game-plan is to outnumber at the contest and then spread in multiple directions.

Absolutely, and it's not blind optimism to be very happy with both signings. I look at our 22 on paper now and think we can absolutely play finals in 2017. That's hugely exciting. But it's also okay to have reservations. We shouldn't let the trauma (for want of a better word) of the last ten (or 50) years limit our ability to express those as well.

lewis has played less than 20 games in two seasons of his entire career. he's been incredibly durable and consistent. i'll be surprised if he has a season in the next three where he has less than 10 games in the red and blue. three years is nothing for a modern footballer at the age of 30, and with our plethora of inside mids he's going to get a lot more rotations in / out than he has got at the hawks where he's been the main starting mid alongside mitchell for the last decade. getting lewis and hibberd for effectively a second round pick is one of the best bargains we've ever had.

How are you feeling big fella? You've stuck with Prestia all year, then he burned you in trade week. I did have a laugh when he said that he chose Richmond because of their list. What list? They have about 4 good players and the rest are bog ordinary.

I don't care how well they say he played. When Howe finishes fifth in your best and fairest, all is not well.