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Looking at FB and most opinions on here, I truly am amazed at how narrow-minded most people are - you would think we finished second last out of 100 teams, not 18. It's pizzing me off. We led on 9 occasions in the last qtr, and lost 6 by 20 pts or less. In other words we came came very close to winning 9 or 10 games in 2014. Our list ins/outs have clearly improved, IDGAF how anyone spins it If our score against remains similar, but we kick 28 points more per week we will finish with a % of 100 That's it. 4 or 5 goals better. >20 point losses. Hanging on to last quarter leads. The amount of improvement required to be back to average is way, way less than simple-minded folk (who cannot analyse any deeper than looking at a '4' on the 2014 ladder) would have you believe. The top 6 or so are a rung up on us but to suggest we can't push ahead 7 spots or so is just plain idiocy. The fact we are paying 2.70 in round 1 illustrates it well. We were just about robbed against the same mob on the same ground last year when the bald golden boy got the softest free in history and snuffed us out. We beat the Crows in Adelaide and the tigers. The dogs and port beat us twice each in close ones - but for some reason it is totally far-fetched that we could move ahead of any of these sides. Grr.

Denham is the embodiment of "that guy" everyone knows at least one of: barracks for Hawthorn, knows everything that is wrong with the lowly clubs, has an opinion on everything, and has a mouth permanently open with ears permanently closed. He's paid to be an angry, thoughtless moron and does a wonderful job of it.

Roos did a brief q and a with HL and Frost and then Petracca and Bradshaw, 'on the couch' he dubbed. H said he was impressed with professionalism of club, expected it to be way behind Collingwood, Frost happy to be back home in melbourne, living with family and having a break from footy at the end of each day. Petracca commented on big gap between tac cup and afl, brayshaw concurred, reminding us of the footage of Christian near death experience on day one of preseason! Lyndon dunne's little boy had his demon jumper on with 14 and 'Daddy' on the back. Too cute! PJ talked about 10 year strategic plan and others have said, it includes 6 pillars he talked about 3. 1. Fans. In the attempt to engage new fans in growth corridors, heartland has been ignored. More focus on inner East and bayside suburbs 2. Branding, linking MFC with the city of Melbourne. Interesting that he said that the facts that we were the original club in the competition, we wrote the rules of the game, and that we bear the name melbourne, is not WHY we are great but why we NEED to be great. That we have a sort of responsibility to the city to be great. We can expect more efforts to strengthen links between the footy club and the city of Melbourne going forward. 3. Footy, others have covered this, aim to make finals 2016. Roos compared this preseason to the last, in that 38 players had completed benchmark 25 sessions, compared with only 25 last season. These comments aren't meant to be a verbatim account, so excuse any shortcomings please

Really a set up for Petracca. They asked him and Brayshaw what his first impression was of the club. He said the TAC were slowly bridging the gap so the step up to AFL standard wasn't so huge. Brayshaw then jumped in and said Christian really felt the first day when the running was pretty full on and he struggled. Roos then asked them both who were they looking up to within the club to model themselves on. Petracca said it was Jack Viney. He loves the way he trains and plays. Brayshaw said it was Nate Jones, he is lucky enough to be living with him. They do a lot of running together and also have bets on the side at goal kicking. He is losing a bit of money at the moment. They both have really picked 2 great role models.

I agree, I want finals in 2015.

rSaty I was sitting with someone who is a long time member like myself and neither of us knew we were locked in till 2018. iMO a very large number of people there last night did not know the dates involved. It was a good question IMO.

....and it is important not to place supporters expectations on a single line used by PJ. He is the CEO, not the Coach. And as such he has to formulate a budget based around certain assumptions. That was the budget he presented last night as well. It was conservative, and assumed and made projections on all sorts of things. Like match attendances, memberships, AFL distributions....and guess what....where the team would be at the end of this year, and where it will be next year. Why? Because the on-field performance will affect all of those things...match attendances, membership, sponsorship, AFL distributions. It is irresponsible to take his comment in isolation. He was making it to demonstrate those very assumptions he has made in formulating the strategic plan and budget out to 2017. Far better that he explain it, with a conservative approach, than to come out and say we are going to play finals this year and be Premiers next year, and then base a budget around that. If we do play finals this year, it will be a financial bonus. But you cannot spend the money beforehand expecting to make the returns from finals. That's a sure way to go broke. It's not how you run a household budget , or a football club budget.

I think we have forgotten how effective he was at the end of his first year and 2011. Whilst he wasn't ever lightening fast - he pace wasn't treacle as it become over the past two or so years. His body has failed him. He is a smart footballer who would be very handy based on his early form. Whether his body will ever allow him to return to his 2011 output is the big question.

What injuries did the bus sustain?

I, like others here, have had the pleasure of watching many a training session with TDI. Have moved out of Australia so no longer get the chance sadly. TDI doesn't hesitate in expressing his opinion and is very much a half glass full type, but the sycophant comments get a bit much, just because he doesn't bash the players publicly doesn't mean he doesn't express his opinion. He actually told Tappy last year that he will be in trouble if he can't remain on the park for a sustained period, something that proved to be true. Rather than expressing doubts about people here, he says it to the players face, not exactly what I would consider being a sycophant.

I have you on ignore TDI but i thought i would respond to this. By your own admission you "dont like to discuss players weaknesses" and admittedly that is paraphrasing, I can't possibly go back through all of your posts and find the statement/s. This makes you an unreliable source of info by your own admission. You have consistently berated other posters for "player bashing" when they have questioned a player's kicking style, intensity or endurance. This takes away enormously from your credibility.

I was not "bemoaning a lack of information from the club" Saty I did not know and I thought the question last night provided some useful information. I am the more knowledgeable as a result of the question.

Nab Challenge 2014 Round One Melb vs. Rich Jack Trengove: 17 kicks, 12 handballs, 13 marks, 2 tackles, 2 frees for and 1 goal

When you listen to PJ it makes you realise that we have been led by some poor operators over the last decade. Him and Paul Roos just give you confidence that they know what they are doing. PJ keeps hammering away at the fact that the only reason for the existence of the MFC is to win games of football.

Interestingly a question was posed about potential for a standalone VFL team. While it was unanimous amongst the club that would be the preferred option, there is a binding partnership agreement with Casey in place until December 2018, and would be prohibitively expensive to break, so we're stuck with that alignment till then. The "Red and Blueprint" was nowhere to be seen tonight, replaced with "Respected and Great", or something to that effect. With 6 key pillars to take us forward. Docklands has never been looked at as a potential new training ground, Aspendale Elsternwick had but would cost $37 million to get completed, E Gateway is a possibility we might look at down the track. We are looking for something that will fulfill our needs in ten years time, right now there's nothing that we 'need' at AAmi that we don't have but we're looking to future proof. Intimidated that some government and sports admin types would prefer us out of Aami, and the Rebels based there in our place. Just on the training levels, the accepted amount to have been considered to have had a full 'uninterrupted' pre season is considered 25 sessionsby Feb 14. And the number that have, touch wood, completed that are way up on last year as previously stated. Great to see Ron Barassi in attendance, he will be the voice of a new rebranding marketing campaign to kick off in the next few weeks. Pretty straight forward meeting, Roos ended his speech with a quip that Petracca was the best ever footballer to come out of Beverly Hills, and on that light hearted note he was off!

That's drawing a very long bow I reckon. Imagine - PJ says, "enough of this, we are aiming to win the flag in 2015" Question from the floor - "How are we going to do that?" Answer - "Ah, I don't know, we just are" Cue the headlines in the tabloids the next day, and the likes of Robinson and Denham's editorials. Not good reading I would have thought. Cast your mind back to the prognostications of Wallace at Richmond and Carlton's ludicrous motto; "They know we're coming". Stupid and left both clubs open to considerable ridicule, both from the media and the footy public in general. "Defeatist"? Hardly!!!!! Just - and finally - a realistic, rational and achievable plan, both on and off the field.

That is my understanding P-man He did not say Finals are out in 2015

Another thing that was quite shocking to hear last night, was how bad the relationship with the scorpions has been over the last few years. PJ and Roos both said how happy they are with the new cases coach and that he is on the MFC payroll. The expectation now is that the alignment will actually add to the development of players rather than be counterproductive. So many things were broken, it's no wonder we have been so bad.

Not as staggering as this comment. Seriously not everyone has the 24/7 hour access to the club to know all this information. I knew about the 30 year agreement but not the 10 year deal that's been mentioned.

HL spoke well and gave the impression that he is committed to and capable of making a real contribution to the MFC. He will be a great addition to the leadership team both on and off the field.Frost spoke of how much he enjoyed the environment back in Melb. (c.f. GWS) and how much it meant to him living with his family. He is wrapped with the outcome of the trade. Similarly, both Petraca and Brayshaw are so enthusiastic and committed to playing their part in the team. I suspect that it was a real coup for us gaining them both in the draft as they obviously are wrapped to be playing in the same team (and not likely to be separated by one of them chasing more money elsewhere)!

Had a chance to chat to him when I was down in Melbourne last weekend - his former Ainslie NEAFL mates smuggled him into the Sat Night of the Coaching Conference at Etihad to watch the last 60 mins of the Asian Cup (he didn't watch much of it though). He was strictly on the waters too - he is very keen to do the right thing (TGR - if you were anywhere near the bar on the far end of the room - that's where he was). He is a very confident boy but said he has got nothing on these AFL boys. Hopefully they can take that confidence into games... I won't repeat everything he said but one piece of relevant information was that the 1st year players have not been given a position of the ground that they will play or a specific role - they have just been told to concentrate on a basic mindset of good behaviours; all the ones you can think of that a player needs - from training habits, to recovery, to in game behaviours like sheparding, attack on the footy and the how they want to play as a team. I would say it is like a little boot camp to get the new recruits up to speed - tinker with the plan for those with experience with it, and let the recruits learn in their first year. He is confident they will give him a couple years to get going but he looks solid, he looks stronger than he was a few months ago, and he is just keen to get down to Casey and play some good footy in 2015 and earn that second year.

While it is only February and it IS only training, there was plenty to like about the situation we had today on the track. I don't need to repeat what TDI and Ruffles have reported, so I'll just add some general observations, and what makes this year different from the past dozen or so years that I've been at training ... * The way the training is so much more organised. As Ruffles noted, the coaches have multiplied like rabbits in the off-season, but it is only good. It means when you have 40+ players turning up, we have the resources to spend one-on-one time with them. Especially good for the younger ones who can be taken aside or given extra tuition. Roos runs the show, but then expects all the assistants to get their groups together for specialist work. e.g. Goodwin with the mids, but working on boundary throw ins. Rawlings with the defenders, but working on getting to and spoiling a contest, and then following up with delivery out of defence. * The concentration on kicking. Now I know this has been a bug-bear of supporters for many years, and we all envy the likes of Hawthorn who deliver flawlessly when needed. However, there has been much more emphasis on clean delivery by foot this year, and again, while it is only training it certainly looks to be having an effect. Practice makes perfect, they say, and it looks like it might be happening. For the whole session I didn't see a kick go astray. Certainly can't say I've seen that before, so hopefully come the season ... * The competition for spots. Again it is a month away from any serious type football, but we are in a good place. TDI and Ruffles have told you about who is on limited/restricted work, but of that whole group Howe, Watts, Vince and Terlich were the only ones who played last year. And Watts and Vince must be within days of a return to full training given the speed they are running around the boundary. Remember the start of last year? Garland, Gawn, Jamar all missing, T.Mac out after 1 game ... This year for example the backs are Dunn, Garland, T McDonald, Frost, Lamumba, as certainties. Fill the last remaining hole with Grimes, Salem, Howe, Watts, Jetta etc. In the ruck Jamar, Spencer and Gawn are all fit, with Fitzpatrick looking in the best condition he ever has at the club. 1 ruck last year to start, and we have 4 this year! Can we throw in Pedersen as well? Forwards are equally endowed with Hogan and Garlett as extras this year. The mids have added Lumumba (when not defending), and have a full list to pick from save ANB at the moment. Did I mention draft picks 1 & 2? Where do they fit in? A big change from when we pushed the prime draft picks on to the field at the first opportunity in years gone. Expect some interesting viewing at Casey in the first half of the year. * Medical management It's only little things, but we are keeping players on the track now through better management. Watts and Vince allowed to run at will and full pace. Not so Howe who had to run a steady pace with a trainer alongside. No risks being taken, and problems managed on an individual basis. Big players ( Dawes) given occasional light sessions to save them from the punishing that happens. Players told to report the slightest injury or suspected problem as soon as it happens. No "getting through it" or "running it out" before the medico's have had a look.

Got there around 9:45ish this morning and it looked like the boys had just finished warming up. You wouldn't think it was February ... almost felt like mid-winter out there! The odd shower and cold, gusty winds didn't really make for fun viewing conditions so I was pretty glad it wasn't a long session in the end. Basically all skills and drills from what I could see. Anyway, I'll note down my thoughts below: Vince and Hunt wearing out the boundary line running laps today. Vince did some non-contact drills as well with Terlich, Watts and Howe on the opposite side. Hunt did a bit of kick to kick with a trainer for awhile, then pounded out the km's again. Dawes, Newton and White were kicking to each other early but they must've left soon after as I didn't see them for most of it. No sign of Trengove or ANB. It must've been a good year for coaches / trainers ... they seem to have multiplied like the rabbits this last spring! They were everywhere - it almost felt like they outnumbered actual players. McCartney was there, instructing some of the younger fellas and also Spencer with marking. Also did some reflex/off-the-ground hand ball drills 1 on 1 with White. Started off with short kicks in groups of 3's then some drills in the middle. The team then broke off into forwards, mids and backs for drills. The forwards consisted of Hogan, Fitzy, Kent, Garlett, JKH, Pederson, Vandenberg and Petracca. This was good to watch, drills included roving marking contest/stoppage and kicking around the body on the run, from different spots inside 50. After a while the drill was changed so half were in high viz and manned up the other forwards. Alternately, each player would be simulating a kick in from the goal square and have to pick one of the other 3 leading players in 1 on 1's, then back to goal kick and repeat. They also practiced dribbling the ball towards goal from either boundary. Garlett appeared to kick the most, more accurate than the rest with the dribble goals. Then probably Hogan, who ended up on the end of the majority of kick outs following good leads etc. Petracca looked pretty comfortable in from of the big sticks. I think I mention it every time, but how are his legs so big?!? Vandenberg looks very solid/big through the upper body, quite a unit. Didn't see much of the backs as they were at the other end, but included the McDonald bros, Dunn, Garland, Frost, Grimes and Jetta. Don't quote me on it but pretty sure I saw Lumumba and in there for at least part of it. Salem was there for the last part as well, though did more time with the mids prior to that. They were a fair way away but was all getting ball out of defence, surprisingly ... The mids trained in 3 groups, rotating through different drills. The one closest to me was led by Goodwin, who also put on a high viz vest for parts to make up numbers. Shame he isn't playing anymore, laid some good tackles! This drill was 2 of Spencer, Gawn and Jamar in the ruck trying to tap to their 'team' (vest or no vest) who would try and clear the ball. This basically involved all players I haven't mentioned above ... Toumpas trained with the mids all session, whereas Salem joined the backs after a while. After these drills everyone practiced their set shots at the Swan St. end. All looked reasonable, considering the gusty conditions, but then again they were under zero pressure. Jones and Brayshaw were keeping score again, trying to put each other off. From what I heard I'm pretty sure Brayshaw actually won today. Career limiting move for him showing up the captain? Jones seems to have taken him under his wing. Jetta, Garlett and JKH seem to stick together a lot of the time. Salem and Viney also kicking with/against each other. Salem didn't miss too many ... O McDonald kicked pretty truly as well, one off his left too. Once again McKenzie and Cross were still there when I left, along with Grimes and Spencer, as the last on ground.

Short session today about hour and a bit. Not there Trengove, Neal-Bullen and King (think he has a health issue). Rehabbing - Vince, Watts, Terlich, Hunt, Howe, White - 2 on a very short session Dawes (a deload day, said he was resting on his laurels), Newton. Most of the session squad was broken in groups, defence, midfield, forward, Petracca and Vandenberg trained exclusively with forwards. Forwards - goal kicking drills, defence - spoiling, midfield - stoppages. Brayshaw, Salem and Lumumba trained at some stage with defence, rest of time midfieldish. Last off the track, Cross, McKenzie, Grimes and Vandenberg. Only the new players will be at AGM tonight, Gus Brayshaw is actually looking forward to attending. Nathan Jones and Lynden Dunn both very humble when I congratulated them on captain and vice captain. Dawes nearly tore my arm off when shaking his hand, Lumumba same as Jones and Dunn, Cross as well. Didn't get a chance to ask Garlo, will try on Friday, it was miserable day weather wise, most players just glad to get inside. Again any questions, feel free and pics will be on Twitter Demonpk, also nice to have a good chat with George on the Outer.

No-one is perfect here. So shoot us if we missed one article 7 years ago and that our lives don't revolve completely and totally around the club.

If the foot hasn't healed by the end of the season. Then put him up for trade. ( I doubt anyone would touch him ) If we don't get value then he get's delisted. If he wants to nominate for the Rookie draft, he's welcome but don 't expect anyone to pick him up. If the foot has healed and he has proved he can run fast without pain. You take the gamble and keep him. A good strong club should have tough love. Don't hold on to players who are seriously injured.

could also be called 'download manager'

I am not quite sure whether this is based around me, seems to be a word I get a lot, I get on with the players and can approach them and have a chat, I try and get information that readers will find different, I get told lots of stuff I don't put on here either because I don't think I should or the players ask me not to. They all know I post here and all feel it is a good way, apart from the Club website, to connect to the supporters If you ever go to training, go up and have a chat, the players like it, the most approachable are of course Watts, Vince, Viney but all of them will chat, the less words include Garlett, Michie, Matt Jones, so if you want a conversation stay away from them haha I don't sugar coat, I just give my opinion, I try and put when something untoward happens, the Dunn/Viney incident, Tyson getting ripped into by Roos, Terlich getting blasted by Nathan Jones, I just get a bit bored describing the drills and Ruffles and George do a way more better job than me anyway But if you want a question answered, either by me or a player, put it here, you will get an answer from me, don't care whether you like it or not, and if I can get to the player will get you an answer, and in Daniel Croos' case brutally truthful

Spot on old dee. I'm in the same boat; I didn't know either. Judging by the response it would seem plenty didn't. Most of us don't read every letter of every bit of information the club publishes, or necessarily take it all in or remember it if it wasn't important to us at the time. 2008 was a long time ago. It's only become topical now because the relationship has gone to custard, hence the question. It's exactly what AGMs should be for - getting clarity on points that members are concerned about.

Do you mean you expect it to stop when the footy starts?

Many of the clubs are posting excellent profits these days and those profits can often be directly attributed to poker machines ... our overall revenue last year from our 2 venues was over 11 million dollars. Carlton's was over 18 million whilst the Hawks was over 19 million. Big bucks. Sure, we cut costs but our revenues are still increasing despite being a poorly performed side - those revenues would be increasing to a far more substantial level if we were to have winning seasons. We're well set up to produce healthy profits - we just need to win.

My instinctual reaction was annoyance when I heard PJ say we were aiming for finals in 2016. I've since come to see it as not putting limits on 2015, but setting realistic expectations that we should play finals in 2016. It's different to what we're used to, but I think he's setting expectations that we can genuinely be angry at not meeting, as opposed to the often unrealistic goals of the past, such a GF in the next 4 years, or being the "team of the decade." We're obviously working towards these lofty goals, but in the meantime we're setting realistic achievable short term goals to work towards. I don't think that's a bad thing. Wouldn't it be amazing to say we actually achieved one of these targets one day? I know we shouldn't underestimate what we can achieve, but we have to remember where we are starting from also.

This all reminds me of a scenario whereby Burglars upon having broken into a house by breaking a window to gain entry are set upon by the house woofer who stirred from its slumber bit the crooks and they stumbled in their hasty exit only to cut themselves upon the broken glass and then seek to sue the house owners for pain suffering etc !! These bastards continually make out they are hard done by victims...*&@! them , the lot of them and especially Hird and cohorts. Reap what you sow fools !!

Magnitude 7.8 on the irony scale.

Are you for real. Take a look where the team is coming from..PJ has said the aim is to make september action within 18 months of now. That will take a lot of hard work. So no 2015 is not a write off...Neither is instant (add water and stir) success

After years of suffering inept displays on the field - generated by a poor list or not - and listening to "motherhood" statements from the previous administration, that were vague, poorly defined and a bit like listening to chalk squeaking on a blackboard, it is so refreshing to see people speak on behalf of this famous football club, who can articulate a vision and a strategy that is both practical and therefore realisable. While participants on here may disagree on a range of issues, what is so different on here now is that I think almost everyone believes we have the right people in place - finally - which will make going to the footy as a Dees supporter, a far more enjoyable experience than in the last decade. Well done PJ, PR and the Board.

I'm absolutely fine with PJ's comments. He has set high but achievable aims. Exactly what he and the club should be doing.

You are dead right SWYL. It upsets my stomach and I get a rash.

so machsy found a car park and made it there after all

mfc website: http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-02-04/dees-aim-for-finals-in-16 Extracts: - Jackson knows the task will not be easy and emphasised the aspiration was to play one final before Roos departed as senior coach at the end of 2016. - Jackson said the club wanted to have 50,000 members by 2017. - He proposed that the club's heartland ranged from Malvern to the south-eastern suburbs, part of which used to encompass the club's recruiting zone. - Melbourne has focused its energies on the City of Casey growth corridor after striking a 30-year-deal in 2009 and Jackson admitted the club was in an ongoing discussion with the City of Casey about that arrangement. "We're not going to walk away from that entirely. It's more rebalancing up the effort. I think the effort was out of balance in the past," Jackson said. Great goals and doable. Wouldn't it be fab if Roos could end his tenure with a finals appearance! Great for Goodwin to come in on a high. Interesting comments about 'rebalancing' the relationship with Casey. Another major plank of past administrations being dismantled! BTW Life Members from tonight: Lynden Dunn, Alan Johnson, Lynda Carroll, Aaron Davey, Stephen Bickford, Clyde Laidlaw Congratulations to all. Hasn't it been a great year for Dunn, first Vice Captain and now Life Membership!

At the end of the day ..we have heard words from many an administration/coach over the years. They mean little to me - action not words. Whilst the "actions" of Roos and co haven't translated into a meteoric rise up the ladder I am feeling more bullish than I ever have before.

What a lot of troll like nonsense. It hurt my brain reading it. I went. PJ said the goals is finals or pushing for finals in 2016. He made no comment about this season at all. He put no limitations on our performance this year, no ceiling and not a hint of negativity. Where is the defeatism? Why would this year be a right off? People around me at the AGM were rapt in PJ's comments and far from defeatism the mood was triumphal. But perhaps you are trolling. More fool me then for engaging.

Well, your forum name would seem to be appropriate... a comedian. There is a very big difference between being a defeatist and being a realist. The fact that he is saying we expect to play finals next year (without discounting this year, by the way), would indicate that he expects our climb up the ladder to start this year and so there will be plenty for supporters to hold onto in the mean time.

We are finally looking like a club that knows what it is doing rather than the laughing stock we have been for too long. To announce the aim to play a final in 2016 sits comfortably with me. To announce we aim to play finals this year after finishing 17th - smacks of stating a goal because it is an expected statement rather than acknowledging how far back we are coming from. Remember Schwab ( Hawthorns coach) stating that they were going to win the premiership ? You can state goals that will have follow on consequences. I would like a goal to be that the games where we lead or are in the game in the last quarter we win - by extension, last year , that would have got us close to the finals.

Yes we would be able to write the manual on how not to run a football club.

It's just you, you and some others really do need to do something with your life rather than just picking holes in what I post. it was a joke, myself and George had a really good discussion at training, this was one of the topics we discussed,, in fact I have had quite a few good chats at training with various posters. I actually think I accidentally blanked George at the AGM tonight, if I did George, I apologise Back on topic, had a chat to Aaron Vandenberg at the AGM, now back in full training, including weights, if we can get him up to AFL standard quickly, and from what I have seen at training it shouldn't be that difficult with all the extra work he is putting in, he is 190cm and has a playing weight of 92Kg, so big boy indeed Harmes is also working his butt off to impress, both aware there may be an LTI slot come Rd 1 As for Trengove, think inside he hopes to come back this year, the moon boot comes off next week if everything goes to plan, just think he doesn't want to rush anything. Billy, I think it is "just too much sun effect", you are getting light headed

You're new to the Demonland game aren't you? I'll help you out. Every rookie and/or youngish player this time of year is on track to being elite, or for the over zealous, already elite. Better to make up your own mind once you see them play some games.

He might not be the best motivational speaker but don't underestimate his role in the current winds of change and improvement (unmeasured I know) at MFC. I know we love PJ and Roosy and we hear a fair bit from them, but Bartlett's fierce business acumen, acute understanding of the organisational playing field, and ability to lead quietly in the background letting others take the spotlight is a rare gift. Since he took the top job I have considered all the changes and decisions to be from 3 great people not only 2. Having said that PJ and Roosy do make me feel ok about footy again!

Sunshine Coast effect or Deep North effect? A little disrespectful to the Mexicans but i understand the inferiority complex you have up there.

Hemingway, I call it the Sunshine Coast effect. In the weeks leading up to the Maroochydore camp, the smart ass Victorian supporters would hang frequent shite on us Qld'ers. In turn, what we saw, present company included, were training reports of the highest quality, and the raising of the bar to such heights that cocky Mexican's soon realised that their standards were quite poor, and to be considered a "decent training reporter", they needed to lift their games. On behalf of all Qld'ers that assisted in this change, to the rest of you I say "you're welcome"!!!