3 hours ago, fr_ap said:

This has been long overdue and all the happy clappers here couldn't see it. Goodwin couldn't see it or wouldn't do it.

King is a smart operator who sees what every other professional club could see from afar.

The panic here is total vindication that the right moves are being made.

My faith is being restored

I think Goodwin was stuck with what he has and tried to make the best of it even though the game was moving in another direction, but there is a case for he didn't know how to change the style

3 hours ago, Go Ds said:

Do you mean exactly 24- 28? Trac and May are well past that and Oliver is 29 next July. Surely if next year he has another horribly ordinary year as a midfielder polling no Brownlow votes but earning well over a million this isn't gonna help our team much. Quite simply we're not suddenly offloading two or three players in their prime that match it with anyone.

What im saying we are missing the 24 to 28 year olds,we are young or too old

6 hours ago, Demons25 said:

Jackson, Jordan, Harmes, Neale-Bullen, Oliver, May, Pertacca, Spargo - that's 38% of the 21 Premiership team that will end up playing GOOD football at other clubs. It hardly screams great club culture does it?

NONE OF GEELONG'S 2022 PREMIERSHIP PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED FOR OTHER CLUBS!!!!'

But 50% of the Cats 2022 team weren’t in the GF side this year, so they have made changes.

1 hour ago, doomsday dee said:

What im saying we are missing the 24 to 28 year olds,we are young or too old

These players? (Their age the night of our last game)

Chandler, Kade 25y 221d 79 (39-0-40 49.37%) 60 (0.76) ←

35 Petty, Harry 25y 283d 101 (51-1-49 50.99%) 48 (0.48) ←

32 Sparrow, Tom 25y 83d 117 (67-1-49 57.69%) 44 (0.38) ←

36 Pickett, Kysaiah 24y 81d 126 (75-1-50 59.92%) 201 (1.60) ←

24 Rivers, Trent 24y 23d 123 (72-1-50 58.94%) 13 (0.11) ←

10 Turner, Daniel 23y 206d 37 (14-0-23 37.84%) 24 (0.65) ←

17 Bowey, Jake 22y 344d

BTW on the same night

Lipinski, Patrick 27y 36d 139 (85-2-52 61.87%) 70 (0.50) 83 (54-2-27 66.27%) 40 (0.48)

8 Schultz, Lachie 27y 265d 124 (61-3-60 50.40%) 137 (1.10) 34 (18-2-14 55.88%) 36 (1.06)

7 Daicos, Josh 26y 269d 149 (89-3-57 60.74%) 67 (0.45) ←

12 Perryman, Harry 26y 246d 152 (84-1-67 55.59%) 32 (0.21) 23 (16-0-7 69.57%) 4 (0.17)

3 Quaynor, Isaac 25y 219d 131 (78-2-51 60.31%) 5 (0.04) ←

31 McCreery, Beau 24y 125d

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by Go Ds

Do we want more of the last two years or something different? I would say something different. Glad to see this happening.

Kingy...

Neeld 2.0 or Blight 2.0 (Adelaide Version)?

Time will tell.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by rjay

11 hours ago, Demons25 said:

Jackson, Jordan, Harmes, Neale-Bullen, Oliver, May, Pertacca, Spargo - that's 38% of the 21 Premiership team that will end up playing GOOD football at other clubs. It hardly screams great club culture does it?

NONE OF GEELONG'S 2022 PREMIERSHIP PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED FOR OTHER CLUBS!!!!'

You’ll fit in well with the ‘kick the bloody thing’ crowd around these parts.

8 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Yes he was

Are people really arguing about whether someone played well...or not...in a game 4 years ago?

A clean out is all and good but we are not bristling with talent in the twos

2 hours ago, Redlagged said:

Are people really arguing about whether someone played well...or not...in a game 4 years ago?

We’re having a footy chat

Who rattled your cage?

9 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

The Best TV comedy scene of All Time, in my opinion of course.

A Hole in One.

13 hours ago, Young Angus said:

You have to assume the new coach and others must have a ripping plan in all of this. Patience...it will reveal itself when the time is right...

Yeah well would love to see this manifesto!

12 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Harmes played a blinder in the 2021 Granny

His intercept then pass to Fritta. Started that comeback. We were heading down a Dark hole before that. After that pure gold.

James was a great demon that day

11 hours ago, Demonstone said:

If tagging an opponent for half a game is a blinder, how would you describe Petracca's game? Or Fritsch's?

We clearly have a different understanding of the term "blinder".

Harmes did a job and played his role. He was serviceable, but he was no star on the day.

It irks me to agree with Demonstone but Harmes was solid that day & nowhere near a blinder or in the best players.

12 hours ago, CHF said:

I thought about putting this in a few of the threads. Not sure if this is the right one but .... it might be.

Just a thought on what might be the broader picture in the situation with Petracca and Oliver.

Let me see…..

May under contract and told he is free to look for another club…

Petracca under contract, had his situation discussed with him and told about the role he could expect to play in the team. Was also told that he could explore his options if he wanted to.

Oliver under contract, same as Petracca… told what was expected of him and his role within the team as from next season. Told he could look around if he wanted to.

These three are, of course, senior, very experienced players that have some decisions to make with regard to their immediate futures. Serious business.

However, I applaud the club for the positions they have taken with these players. That is not to say that I consider any of the players at fault. The process that the club has in place strikes me as a mature response and a very professional one at that.

Over the last 10/15 years more power and control has evolved to the players with respect to where they play and how they honour their contract conditions. In a lot of respects, they have demanded that clubs become more professional.

With the replacement of the coach, CEO and, in the near future, the President, MFC is looking to throw some of the professional responsibility back on the players and their agents.

“You want to move with 5 years on your contract, well, feel free to have a look around to see if you can satisfy our requirements. However, be assured that if we are not satisfied and a trade cannot be made, we will hold you to your contract and expect a proper, professional playing approach from you. The club will not be actively seeking a trade for you this off-season”

I see nothing wrong with this approach at all. While it is squarely putting a lot of the responsibility back in the Player and their agents it is also taking back a good degree of control for the club. The player and his team might arrive at a preferred club but, rather than make the statement and throw it over to the club to work out with an expectation that they will negotiate and sort it out, in this situation it is the responsibility of the player and his nominated club to present a deal to MFC. This leaves a lot of power in the hands of MFC. In fact, the MFC do not have to state what deal will satisfy them. All they need to do is to say…. “Sorry, that is not good enough. If that is your last word, he plays out his contract.”

I can see the whole of the playing group working through the implications of this attitude by the club.

May situation is a little different. He is that bit older than Petracca and Oliver is losing a pace or two, not as flexible as he once was and is being looked at as a possible disrupter on the list. He has been great for us, but this is a new era for the club.

I hope that the coaches and the club administration continue with this direction. it will make a refreshing change with the coaches, in particular supervising, directing and controlling the playing list within the constrains of a clear vision and approach. All, the players, coaches and club need to know where they stand.

 

Fantastic post ..totally agree

I can't take all the self-pity over all this, it reminds me of the Collingwood fans who were about to set themselves on fire the night Treloar etc... were traded. Shame we have to lose multiple club legends at the same time, but that's the modern business and it's not like any of them are at their peak.

I'm saving my outrage for when the replacement players are hacks or play three games in five years.

3 hours ago, Redlagged said:

Are people really arguing about whether someone played well...or not...in a game 4 years ago?

Welcome to Demonland in the off-season.

Absolute hyperbole. For a start, you can take ANB's name out of your mouth if you're insinuating he left because of 'club culture'. He made it absolutely clear his move home had ZERO to do with football. Have some respect.

I applaud the club and new regime for their honesty, clearly we all seen the Goodwin and his favourites mantra and now many of those same boys club are feeling the heat as they arent comfy anymore. This is the circuit breaker we needed, as Goodwin couldn't deliver it, don't get me wrong, it would be hard to part with the crew that brought the ultimate success but you just have to break it all down with a clear mind.

May is well and truly cooked, he can barely bend over and he isn't getting back to his best. Also, it is pretty obvious for all the good he brought, that he is toxic and a troublemaker off the field, this isn't good for our culture.

Petracca is a shell of his former self, it seems to be a bit of all about Christian, perhaps a taste of business success outside of footy has brought this on. 30yo, pulling out of contests and how could anyone forgive him for his dragging the club through mud last year as well. I also don't think he lived up to his own expectations and standards this year, was surprised he finished R/U in the BnF.

Oliver. hasn't been himself on or off field for years, thought his last game was great, but he is a headache for the club in more ways than one & I won't go into it further.

Spargo - meh, 25 games in 3yrs? Doesn't get enough of it as a mid, doesn't kick enough goals as a forward, no mans land.

McVee I think stitched the club over with not being honest from the get-go, he was going back to WA over a year ago I'm told.

Bring on the fresh start and clean out of people who don't want to get their hands dirty and lift the club up. Hawks survived without Franklin, then Hodge and Lewis. All will be OK in the end, patience will be required. 2021 was 4yrs ago, stop referring to it, we aren't that team anymore, cherish it by all means but we need to move forward as a club before we do actually implode.

Personally I would prefer that we keep May, Tracc and Clarry but only if they can bend their will to align with our new coach’s team plans and game style. All three players have copped heaps on Demonland over the past two years, is it because we could lose all three at once plus the Judd that people are going to jelly. When you have massive change like we are witnessing it is hard to keep your head when all around are losing their’s, cool your jets trust your club and see what happens. This is a whole new ball game, think this is like when Roosey came to the club. New Presidents, New CEO, New Coach and some New players perhaps.🤫😁👍

16 hours ago, inanunda said:

We have to do this reset before the Tasmanian devils come into the league. Otherwise we are going to be screwed like we were when gws and Gold Coast did. Also, how many of those players genuinely will be part of our next premiership tilt? I genuinely believe people don't want our legends to move on, but I think the culture they have created is the reason we have been subpar since the Grand final.

I agree. Look at the 3 top level players we have told to look elsewhere. May it looks obvious that he is causing friction. E.g. telling off Gawn publicly after we lost to pies by 1 point. Oliver, has had numerous problems since 21. Trac has been less than 100% since his injury. He wants to leave. That 3 in the eyes of the FD are players who are causing friction in the team.

New era dee's. Embrace it.

19 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Easy old son. Have some hot milk maybe an anti depressant & chill out.

A Bex and a good lie down.

We will be O.K, King will resurrect the entire team and make us strong again.