6 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

The big one for whoever we hire is what does it mean for Max Gawn if a last touch rule is implemented, this is going to significantly change his role with no more boundary throw ins!

Not last touch mate, last disposal. Punches or fumbles out don’t count. And only between the arcs. There’ll still be plenty of boundary throw ins.

1 minute ago, Dee Boys said:

Not last touch mate, last disposal. Punches or fumbles out don’t count. And only between the arcs. There’ll still be plenty of boundary throw ins.

It's a stepping stone rather than ripping the bandaid off, i am certain last touch is where we will end up, rightly or wrongly.

But these are the issues a head of strategy specifically needs to deal with, what rule changes are confirmed, what's likely beyond that and making sure our game plan and list are set up with the best chance for success within that.

I would hazard an educated guess that the Saints are comfortable with their huge dollar pursuit of TDK because they can see where that rule is heading and believe they'll get a huge advantage out of it

11 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

It's a stepping stone rather than ripping the bandaid off, i am certain last touch is where we will end up, rightly or wrongly.

But these are the issues a head of strategy specifically needs to deal with, what rule changes are confirmed, what's likely beyond that and making sure our game plan and list are set up with the best chance for success within that.

I would hazard an educated guess that the Saints are comfortable with their huge dollar pursuit of TDK because they can see where that rule is heading and believe they'll get a huge advantage out of it

Dunno the rule they're bringing in is what the AFLW has had for it's entire existence. Think it's worked pretty well.

Bartel being hunted by Port for their department manager as well

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

The big one for whoever we hire is what does it mean for Max Gawn if a last touch rule is implemented, this is going to significantly change his role with no more boundary throw ins!

It won’t be for spoils over the line. So it will diminish midfields slightly that are reliant on clearance but not overly.

Also Max’s superpower is his marking and his workrate, not his tapwork.

A rule change that will have a big impact on the rucking contest probably comes at a good time for us as we contemplate how to replace the greatest of all time.

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

The big one for whoever we hire is what does it mean for Max Gawn if a last touch rule is implemented, this is going to significantly change his role with no more boundary throw ins!

34 minutes ago, rpfc said:

It won’t be for spoils over the line. So it will diminish midfields slightly that are reliant on clearance but not overly.

Also Max’s superpower is his marking and his workrate, not his tapwork.

Was going to say something along 'rpfc's' line...

It will probably make it easier for Max as he won't have to run as hard to get to boundary throw ins (plus the wrestling) and be able to set up behind the play around the ground. It will make him a bigger pest.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

Was going to say something along 'rpfc's' line...

It will probably make it easier for Max as he won't have to run as hard to get to boundary throw ins (plus the wrestling) and be able to set up behind the play around the ground. It will make him a bigger pest.

I agree. His best asset is getting ahead of the ball as a marking target or intercept marker so this rule if it were to come in next season will work in his favour. Max's ruck contest win % and hitouts to advantage has been diminishing the last few years and but I feel he's adapted more to the modern game with his work rate, contested marking and hard ball gets/contested possessions

I wish there were split stats for both ball up and throw in ruck contests as I would be interested to see if different rucks excel more at throw ins compared to ball ups.

2 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

It's a stepping stone rather than ripping the bandaid off, i am certain last touch is where we will end up, rightly or wrongly.

Its my fear too that the last touch (regardless of possesion) may come in to play at some stage. I do think thats a fair way off and Max will be retired by then. But if we go to last touch it will bring in further video review for confirmation especially if they bring it inside the forward 50. I watch a lot of NBA and the review system for things like last touch out of bounds have ruined the game somewhat. Can you imagine a packed house at the G and we're stopping every 5 mins for an out of bounds touch video review? Lord.

Edited September 17Sep 17 by Young Blood

Watch the last quarter agin the Saints when he switched sides.

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

The big one for whoever we hire is what does it mean for Max Gawn if a last touch rule is implemented, this is going to significantly change his role with no more boundary throw ins!

4-6 boundary throw ins a game will be eliminated. not so significant

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

The big one for whoever we hire is what does it mean for Max Gawn if a last touch rule is implemented, this is going to significantly change his role with no more boundary throw ins!

I was initially concerned about this but the AFL stated the ball only goes out of bounds off a handball or kick 1 - 2 times per game so should have minimal impact on tactics and really just make it easier to officiate the 'insufficient intent' rule. Most stoppages occur when a player takes the ball over the boundary.

It'll mean we have to pay Max extra - he'll need to ruck-rover as well.

On 25/08/2025 at 23:02, poita said:

The last thing this club needs is more levels of management and less accountability at each level.

Presumably we would have the coach reporting to the head of football who reports to the strategy boss who reports to the CEO who reports to the board. As if any experienced coach is going to accept that.

I'd much rather we support the coach with the football staff that he needs to get the best out of the playing group, rather than putting in more managers to meddle. That's the problem with hiring people who have worked in government entities - they are good at spending money and bad at taking responsibility.

Love this post, look at higher education and health, lots more high priced managers, less doers.

On 25/08/2025 at 23:02, poita said:

The last thing this club needs is more levels of management and less accountability at each level.

Presumably we would have the coach reporting to the head of football who reports to the strategy boss who reports to the CEO who reports to the board. As if any experienced coach is going to accept that.

I'd much rather we support the coach with the football staff that he needs to get the best out of the playing group, rather than putting in more managers to meddle. That's the problem with hiring people who have worked in government entities - they are good at spending money and bad at taking responsibility.

Love this post, look at higher education and health, lots more high priced managers, less doers.

On 26/08/2025 at 01:04, layzie said:

Bartel's experience is pretty good. He was on the GWS board from 2018 - 2024 and was actively involved in list decisions and re-structuring of their FD, he also played a part in getting Kingsley the coaching job. Before that he'd been a part-time list management consultant at Brisbane.

He knows what he's doing and has a lot of experience in building lists and developing footy clubs. If there was half a chance I would be all in.

I've heard very positive things about how he is going about it at Caufield Grammar as Firsts coach, that would be summarized as 'Ted Lasso' style really focused on the boys welfare, finding insightful ways to communicate beyond the tired tropes and cliches. I would be very onboard with Bartel being part of the Demons.

On 26/08/2025 at 12:50, Harvey Wallbanger said:

To the team or to Demonland?🤪

D’land would just argue about whether they are the right pills

5 hours ago, DEE fence said:

Love this post, look at higher education and health, lots more high priced managers, less doers.

I've heard very positive things about how he is going about it at Caufield Grammar as Firsts coach, that would be summarized as 'Ted Lasso' style really focused on the boys welfare, finding insightful ways to communicate beyond the tired tropes and cliches. I would be very onboard with Bartel being part of the Demons.

Jimmy Bartel is indeed doing great things at Caulfield Grammar in his role of head of football. He would be a great addition to Melbourne having also had a similar role at GWS. Anthony Phillips is the school first team coach.

13 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Jimmy Bartel is indeed doing great things at Caulfield Grammar in his role of head of football. He would be a great addition to Melbourne having also had a similar role at GWS. Anthony Phillips is the school first team coach.

Thanks for the correction, apologies to Mr Phillips, no slight intended.