2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Should have been a free to JV in the 1st case shoved face first into the turf both arms pinned. Then 50m, even the commentators disagreed for once. Daylight robbery for a mean spirited act. Well done umpire, atrocious decision layzie.

Look Deezone it was a dangerous tackle free 7 times out of 10. It's a slightly different slant on it because although you can make a case that this call, a 50 and then a very generous 50 at that were terrible, I find that this team constantly finds ways to shoot ourselves in the foot and put ourselves in that position to begin with.

I watched the last 90 seconds of that quarter again just now. It was the most exciting period of the game and it was end to end, you felt like someone was going to come up trumps but I was really hoping we could just get to the end of the quarter. With about 40 seconds left Turner takes a towering mark right on the paint of 50, doubles back and launches us in to the square. At this point I'm honestly thinking that if we don't get a chance on goal that we'll at least get it to ground and lock it down for some seconds. What happens next? Petty contests and does get it to ground, it flicks out to Fritsch who gets into a bit of space and handballs over to a running Oliver who snaps on the left from about 15 to 20 metres out and it lands in the goalsquare where the Port defender marks on the chest. Incredible. Yet at this point with 20 seconds, there is still no thought that Port will even come close to kicking one. What we could have done here alone would have negated any conversation after that.

The rest is history, unlucky free but does Viney really have to play tackle driver then and there? I don't know. 50 may have been harsh but why aren't we just giving the ball straight back? It's these little things that I see time and time again at the death of quarters that really costs us.

Edited June 16Jun 16 by layzie

10 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Should have been a free to JV in the 1st case shoved face first into the turf both arms pinned. Then 50m, even the commentators disagreed for once. Daylight robbery for a mean spirited act. Well done umpire, atrocious decision layzie.

My first thought was ball it up. You see them paid for a dangerous tackle but he had literally no prior opportunity to get rid of it, but for whatever reason they were hot on it then. Funny they weren't hot on it earlier in the game when a port player, can't remember who, was given an eternity to dispose of it, didn't correctly dispose of it but somehow that was play on.

As for the 50, I hate to say it but that was Viney's fault. Players know, and it felt so much the same as Kozzie's brain fart last week. We give up a lot of stupid 50m penalties.

10 hours ago, Pates said:

My first thought was ball it up. You see them paid for a dangerous tackle but he had literally no prior opportunity to get rid of it, but for whatever reason they were hot on it then. Funny they weren't hot on it earlier in the game when a port player, can't remember who, was given an eternity to dispose of it, didn't correctly dispose of it but somehow that was play on.

As for the 50, I hate to say it but that was Viney's fault. Players know, and it felt so much the same as Kozzie's brain fart last week. We give up a lot of stupid 50m penalties.

JHF and Rozee

12 hours ago, Pates said:

My first thought was ball it up. You see them paid for a dangerous tackle but he had literally no prior opportunity to get rid of it, but for whatever reason they were hot on it then. Funny they weren't hot on it earlier in the game when a port player, can't remember who, was given an eternity to dispose of it, didn't correctly dispose of it but somehow that was play on.

As for the 50, I hate to say it but that was Viney's fault. Players know, and it felt so much the same as Kozzie's brain fart last week. We give up a lot of stupid 50m penalties.

If the umpires are going to be so pedantic on 50m penalties, then they really do need to pay every one. Earlier in the game against Port, they quite obviously failed to get it back to Max on the full and no 50 - it's infuriating.

I'm very quickly getting to the view that the league need to bring it back to 15m forward of centre and/or as a blanket rule, except for the most egregious of offences.

50m penalties hand goals to oppositions as did that crazy decision to give Port a second shot on goal. Games shouldn't regularly be decided by umpires.

Before anyone says it wasn't the umpires fault we kicked umpteen behinds, what they did was kept the scoreboard pressure going against us - for a team that has these issues it is a big factor. We're well capable of kicking accurately when we start hitting our straps, just look at the second half Vs the first against the Swans. It's not just missing goals or not, also impacts marking and passing for us and the opposition.

3 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

If the umpires are going to be so pedantic on 50m penalties, then they really do need to pay every one. Earlier in the game against Port, they quite obviously failed to get it back to Max on the full and no 50 - it's infuriating.

I'm very quickly getting to the view that the league need to bring it back to 15m forward of centre and/or as a blanket rule, except for the most egregious of offences.

50m penalties hand goals to oppositions as did that crazy decision to give Port a second shot on goal. Games shouldn't regularly be decided by umpires.

Before anyone says it wasn't the umpires fault we kicked umpteen behinds, what they did was kept the scoreboard pressure going against us - for a team that has these issues it is a big factor. We're well capable of kicking accurately when we start hitting our straps, just look at the second half Vs the first against the Swans. It's not just missing goals or not, also impacts marking and passing for us and the opposition.

Keep in mind that the 50m penalty evolved from the 15m penalty because coaches decided that giving away a 15m penalty was worth it, similar to a "professional foul". I suspect if we went back to the 15m penalty, the same would happen again.

Furthermore, I suspect about half the 50m penalties given away likely result from breaches of the "stand" rule. I'd get rid of that rule altogether which would immediately remove many 50m penalties.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by La Dee-vina Comedia
Added second para

On 16/06/2025 at 06:27, Clintosaurus said:

Of course they would. AFL likes money. Collingwood generate lots of money. Simples.

One day an ump will spill the beans about how they are coached and in game instructions.

There's not a lot of Robin Hoods in the Collingwood crowds. They are more "Breaking Bad"

On 17/06/2025 at 01:35, DiscoStu17 said:

JHF and Rozee

Rozee, that was the one. It was in our forward 50 and evern the FF commentators mentioned he was given all day to get rid of it and failed to dispose of it correctly.

It's those moments that infuriate when they are hot on Jack with his incident, there has to be better consideration on how they make their decisions.

Tonight is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

I hate watching the sport right now.

I can tolerate our team being bad. But I cannot cope with officiating that is this bad.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy and am fairly rational but I’m now honestly struggling to believe the AFL is not rigged at some level.

This sport is in a bad state at the moment and I just can’t keep watching it week in and week out the way it’s currently being umpired.

Yeah it's pretty bad...

Just now, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

Tonight is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

I hate watching the sport right now.

I can tolerate our team being bad. But I cannot cope with officiating that is this bad.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy and am fairly rational but I’m now honestly struggling to believe the AFL is not rigged at some level.

This sport is in a bad state at the moment and I just can’t keep watching it week in and week out the way it’s currently being umpired.

In the same boat. usually would watch 4-5 games per week. Last 2 months it’s lucky if it’s 2. This week was the last 10 mins of the Blues game.

I have just lost interest. Yes Melbourne being irrelevant doesn’t help but in the last era when we were hopeless I still enjoyed watching most games.

Couple this with the biased commentary, the constant media bashing up on teams and players, the poor standard of umpiring, I think I need a break.

[censored] pigs [censored] you ya [censored] cheats

5 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

I can tolerate our team being bad.

I don't really believe this part...

...but agree on the umpiring.

Best its ever been

8 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

Tonight is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

I hate watching the sport right now.

I can tolerate our team being bad. But I cannot cope with officiating that is this bad.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy and am fairly rational but I’m now honestly struggling to believe the AFL is not rigged at some level.

This sport is in a bad state at the moment and I just can’t keep watching it week in and week out the way it’s currently being umpired.

it’s hard to escape the conclusion the AFL is rigged

We will say nothing as usual.

6-7 goals from frees and 50’s.

11 to zip frees in last quarter at one stage.

Blatant frees ignored to us and doubtful ones paid one way to them all night.

Commentators even were bewildered several times.

I was at the Port Melbourne GCS VFL game this arvo. The umpiring was much better. By en large they let the game flow

Those junior umpires did a better job. A different level of decision making, and I’d say a vfl game is easier to officiate… but they took enough time to make the right call. And they didn’t want to be part of the game.

But hey, we should be good enough that the umpiring doesnt matter. We weren’t. We are miles off 2021. And thats not down to the umpires !

23 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy and am fairly rational but I’m now honestly struggling to believe the AFL is not rigged at some level.

This sport is in a bad state at the moment and I just can’t keep watching it week in and week out the way it’s currently being umpired.

One or two may be put down to incompetence; tonight all went one way and together with our ineptitude made the difference.

At least 4 goals that they got were from incorrect decisions.

Dees v Blues

Umpire !!! Oliver tackles player who runs and is caught 40 metrs out from goal

Oliver free kick !!

No free kick🤬

Ffffark !!!😡

Curnow. Stumbles in congestion. Free kick !! Kicks, goals, seals the win 😡

Fffffark🤬

Edited July 19Jul 19 by spirit of norm smith
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Is data available re which umpire awards how many frees for and against which team?

One tonight stood out - won’t say which one for fears of accusations of sexism.

14 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Is data available re which umpire awards how many frees for and against which team?

One tonight stood out - won’t say which one for fears of accusations of sexism.

Yep it was so bloody obvious

It's funny how some people think that adding an extra umpire or referee (depending on the sport) will make the officiating better, as less will be missed. But in most cases, it just adds another person to make the wrong call.

8 hours ago, monoccular said:

Is data available re which umpire awards how many frees for and against which team?

One tonight stood out - won’t say which one for fears of accusations of sexism.

I actually think you have it wrong with Eleni, she seems to be the most consistent of most umpires “letting them play”

What is really awful is the amount of [censored] 50/50 free kicks that are paid by the non officiating umpire when she is the closest to the play.

10 hours ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

Tonight is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

I hate watching the sport right now.

I can tolerate our team being bad. But I cannot cope with officiating that is this bad.

I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy and am fairly rational but I’m now honestly struggling to believe the AFL is not rigged at some level.

This sport is in a bad state at the moment and I just can’t keep watching it week in and week out the way it’s currently being umpired.

The AFL is in bed with every betting agency under the sun. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a level of let’s call it “manipulation” of results where possible which will help the AFL bookie buddies make a $

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

We will say nothing as usual.

6-7 goals from frees and 50’s.

11 to zip frees in last quarter at one stage.

Blatant frees ignored to us and doubtful ones paid one way to them all night.

Commentators even were bewildered several times.

Remember how you denied that you started the “Media Madness” thread to highlight an anti-MFC conspiracy?

You did. It’s almost all you post about now.

For the record, at the time of the Curnow free it was 8-3 free kicks in the fourth. Never 11-0.

Both decisions were poor IMO but relying on umpires in a close game against Carlton’s seconds is on us, not the umpires.

Every game of football I watch is determined/influenced by the umpiring. It’s why I rarely watch games other than the Dee’s now days.

A non call is better than a call when it’s a dubious decision. This should be the mantra for the umpires.