42 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

You see this is where im a bit surprised at all the discussion regarding the more in-depth analysis. Firstly, i want to point out that im for it, i love the analytical, statistical nature of footy. However the most recent example is where Ch 7 decided to invest in the Korn and his side-kicks. Why? because its all about creating headlines and clicks. The strategy is clearly to get one of the most controversial AFL pundits of the modern era to generate utter garbage and then take a back seat to then see how the footy world erupts into a frenzy of hot-blooded debate. And they are not alone, Ch 9 and the class of clowns led by McClure and Bozo Barret.

The broadcasters are just not interested into the meaningful stuff, because large parts of the consumer base isnt either. They would prefer the controversy, Jerry Springer style rage-bates that come up from time to time. And if they don't, well we know how they can bend the truth. Unfortunately this in-depth analysis will continue to exist in the outskirts of the AFL reporting and journalism machine.

How about giving the public a choice? There are umpteen BS shows at the moment. How about balancing all the BS with one class analytical show? (Might not get many Pies supporters watching I’d imagine - but who gives a S about them?). If you only have Shiite on TV you’ll either switch off or continue to accept Shiite. Time for a change for the better.

51 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I’m not after a weekly half hour watching 3 stooges analysing 3 set plays and a host of gambling ads. I want analysis during the breaks in games. FFS Kayo often just play a still saying we’ll be back soon.

Very astute point. I do however appreciate the detail that has into the stitching of that cricket ball.

Edited May 22May 22 by GS_1905

I actually think the lack of this type of content is deliberate.

It's expensive to make compared to the usual boys club bravado [censored]. You need intelligent people, and media outlets will have to bid for them. Many of the genuinely astute people are already in coaching, and they probably don't do "media" as naturally.

Also, the AFL wants to control all the media revenue.

To get access to footage to use in this type of analysis costs a fortune. It's possible that the secondary camera angles not shown on the broadcast are not even available to anyone outside the official broadcaster.

All the real stats are locked behind Champion Data, a company that is majority owned by the AFL. We get a smattering of BS stats that have been published for years and some extra stuff that sounds fancy but isn't useful published via the AFL app etc.

Non-accredited AFL media can't access this stuff, and the AFL won't accredit direct competitors taking revenue of the main broadcaster.

So in effect, the AFL locks down all footage and data that is needed for analysis, restricts it to the big paying broadcast partner, and suffocates any competition that it won't receive revenue from.

As a result, the official broadcaster doesn't actually need to provide a high quality product to compete in the market. They have a monopoly.

3 minutes ago, deanox said:

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So in effect, the AFL locks down all footage and data that is needed for analysis, restricts it to the big paying broadcast partner, and suffocates any competition that it won't receive revenue from.

As a result, the official broadcaster doesn't actually need to provide a high quality product to compete in the market. They have a monopoly.

this

the fact that the afl has been shutting down 3rd party content providers because they don't want the footage to be available and analysed says volumes

there's every chance that jeff's channel could be the next to get a cease-and-desist letter from head office

6 minutes ago, deanox said:

I actually think the lack of this type of content is deliberate.

It's expensive to make compared to the usual boys club bravado [censored]. You need intelligent people, and media outlets will have to bid for them. Many of the genuinely astute people are already in coaching, and they probably don't do "media" as naturally.

Also, the AFL wants to control all the media revenue.

To get access to footage to use in this type of analysis costs a fortune. It's possible that the secondary camera angles not shown on the broadcast are not even available to anyone outside the official broadcaster.

All the real stats are locked behind Champion Data, a company that is majority owned by the AFL. We get a smattering of BS stats that have been published for years and some extra stuff that sounds fancy but isn't useful published via the AFL app etc.

Non-accredited AFL media can't access this stuff, and the AFL won't accredit direct competitors taking revenue of the main broadcaster.

So in effect, the AFL locks down all footage and data that is needed for analysis, restricts it to the big paying broadcast partner, and suffocates any competition that it won't receive revenue from.

As a result, the official broadcaster doesn't actually need to provide a high quality product to compete in the market. They have a monopoly.

A few points on this.

I’d suggest there’s plenty of astute ex coaches out there who could provide analysis during matches

The Broadcaster already has the vision so that doesn’t appear an issue

If the AFL are majority owner of the data then it shouldn’t be difficult to access

I think your last point is the most pertinent, they actually don’t need to provide the analysis because they’re doing just fine with boofheads talking nonsense with a heavy smattering of gambling ads in between. The AFL product has stopped getting stronger and that falls on head office. Looking at how they’re operating it’s no wonder nothing changes. They’re a bunch of fat cats holding 4 Aces and they’re happy eating expensive lunches and putting out the occasional spot fire. Basically I see them as a bunch of under performing middle management types who got lucky with the big gig. Like elsewhere in corporate Australia it’s the shocking productivity of these types that see us drifting sideways as a country.

Edited May 22May 22 by Roost it far

11 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

A few points on this.

I’d suggest there’s plenty of astute ex coaches out there who could provide analysis during matches

The Broadcaster already has the vision so that doesn’t appear an issue

If the AFL are majority owner of the data then it shouldn’t be difficult to access

I think your last point is the most pertinent, they actually don’t need to provide the analysis because they’re doing just fine with boofheads talking nonsense with a heavy smattering of gambling ads in between. The AFL product has stopped getting stronger and that falls on head office. Looking at how they’re operating it’s no wonder nothing changes. They’re a bunch of fat cats holding 4 Aces and they’re happy eating expensive lunches and putting out the occasional spot fire. Basically I see them as a bunch of under performing middle management types who got lucky with the big gig. Like elsewhere in corporate Australia it’s the shocking productivity of these types that see us drifting sideways as a country.

To adapt a quote:

The AFL is a lucky sport run mainly by second rate people who share its luck.

Edited May 22May 22 by deanox

3 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

You see this is where im a bit surprised at all the discussion regarding the more in-depth analysis. Firstly, i want to point out that im for it, i love the analytical, statistical nature of footy. However the most recent example is where Ch 7 decided to invest in the Korn and his side-kicks. Why? because its all about creating headlines and clicks. The strategy is clearly to get one of the most controversial AFL pundits of the modern era to generate utter garbage and then take a back seat to then see how the footy world erupts into a frenzy of hot-blooded debate. And they are not alone, Ch 9 and the class of clowns led by McClure and Bozo Barret.

The broadcasters are just not interested into the meaningful stuff, because large parts of the consumer base isnt either. They would prefer the controversy, Jerry Springer style rage-bates that come up from time to time. And if they don't, well we know how they can bend the truth. Unfortunately this in-depth analysis will continue to exist in the outskirts of the AFL reporting and journalism machine.

I'm talking about the analysis like white explained, there is a couple that do it and I know this one waffles on at times but Brereton is good at that, but agree with you about the rest.

Ross Lyon did a press conference recently where he got a bit snippy with a reporter, because he knew that the reporter's knowledge of the game was miles behind his own. My point is, someone like Lyon would be fantastic at explaining some of the final points of the game. Obviously, he has other things on his mind at the moment but there should be plenty of people like him out there.

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Edited May 22May 22 by DeelightfulPlay
Deleted because someone already commented the same

5 hours ago, deanox said:

To adapt a quote:

The AFL is a lucky sport run mainly by second rate people who share its luck.

Thanks Donald Horne!

Edited May 22May 22 by Stiff Arm

On 21/05/2025 at 11:13, daisycutter said:

yeah, if he comes to melbourne with kalani the club need to find him a job

Would actually be more legit than the $cully GWS package deal, buy I think that saga would have the club and the AFL seeing red.

Although not totally without precedence aka, Todd and Jack Viney, Silvangni at Carlton; difference being that those guys where already successfully employed at other clubs prior to comming together at the same club as their sons and eventually they also left due to perceptions of and/or real conflicts of interest that became distractions. I still can't help but think that Todd was a net positive for the MFC revival, particularly when he first came on board with Roos etc.

On 21/05/2025 at 10:04, Roost it far said:

Why oh why don’t we get this during breaks and post match during AFL broadcasts. Maybe someone should set up a YouTube channel that does this during the breaks in play. Do they seriously think no one is interested in actual analysis?

Totally agree.

One thing I'd also like to see is post match Youtube streams so we can have the old days of talkback radio after matches instead of no postmatch and just going straight to the next game.

I can't be bothered doing it but surely someone can.

On the topic of non-mainstream analysis, Credit to Du Bois (Emyln Breese) creates great charts on various aspects of the game, like this one today on how clubs have retained and used draft picks in the last 10 years:

https://credittodubois.com/blog/draft-pick-and-mix

Here’s the Melbourne one specifically:

https://public.flourish.studio/uploads/1229741/1a5fe616-6eec-4922-af8c-012b4d7ac709.png

I miss Daisy Pearce!

Who wants perceptive and insightful analysis when you can have BT making mistakes.

1 hour ago, Tony Tea said:

Who wants perceptive and insightful analysis when you can have BT making mistakes.

bt talking inane rubblish on one channel

kelli misidentifying players on the other

it's a quality era for commentary...