Hogan is 32.7 for the year

far out

This should put to bed for good the excuse that in the past our lack of efficiency came from having shots from 'lower percentage areas' like the pockets. Sure that could be factored in.

But.

The overarching reason we are so poor in this area and bottom of this particular list is down to having a a large group of players who lack composure overall. And it'd be fair to say most of that comes from open play shots on goal. And it's been this way for years.

Kicking ourselves out of games, literally. All over the ground but especially going inside 50 and at having shots on goal.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Howard_Grimes

Our goal kicking is so abysmally dismal that it is turning us into cellar dwellers all those opportunities being wasted is appalling.🥲👎🥲

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Our goal kicking is so abysmally dismal that it is turning us into cellar dwellers all those opportunities being wasted is appalling.🥲👎🥲

That’s the Bottom Line

The Forward Line is Hack & Hope at best and our results mirror exactly that

15 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That’s the Bottom Line

The Forward Line is Hack & Hope at best and our results mirror exactly that

Our manic bombing it in is so counterintuitive given our lack of players who can take a pack mark.

We are also missing players who used to crumb well in Spargo and Nibbler. Chin has dropped off in this area too so it's so frustrating.

I hope we try something different with our fwd line but I have no idea what that could be. Maybe isolating Kozzie at ff for a few cameos

It's only in the last 2 games that we've had more scoring shots but lost.

We have had another 6 games where we kicked from between 1 (twice) and 7 more behinds than goals, but we still had less scoring shots. Of the 5 we lost, we had between 4 and 9 (twice) less scoring shots.

So, season 2025 has been about much more than accuracy.

2022 to 2024 on the other hand?...

Added in edit:

Our last place on the (in)accuracy ladder is skewed by just 3 of our 13 results. Had we matched the scoring accuracy of our opponents in those 3 games we would be placing second, on 163 goals 145 behinds, or 52.9%

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

So it looks like out putrid performance in goal Kicking has no father, so to speak.

We hear from the HC they keep working on that, but nothing changes.

Surely someone's position in the FD of Coaching staff should be shaky?

Whose fault is this?

It's the result of drafting and trading for players who are competitors and/or runners. It's honestly as simple as that. Composure, decision making and kicking have never been the number 1 priority since the 'Melbourne player' tag-line was introduced. When you have that many players on your list who all share the same weakness, this is the result. Kicking yourself out of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If we don't want to be left behind in a big way, Goody simply has to make some difficult but necessary calls on moving some senior players on in the off-season.

Oliver, Viney, Trac, Rivers. Their inability to execute skills at important times is unbelievably bad. Oliver was just wild today when he got the ball. No care. Viney, same story. Trac, same story. Rivers lacks serious composure too.

We need to make some hard calls at the end of the year, Oliver needs to go. I'd be willing to let Fritsch go and I hope May retires so Petty never plays forward again. Plus I think May is just not a great team mate.

Hard calls. Make them Simon.

Any chance someone at the club could explain to Max that he ALWAYS kicks to the left when shooting for goal ? No point playing him forward till he understands this basic principle. Don’t worry about trying to kick straight - aim to the right of desired flight path and all else will take care of itself!

Does my head in, everyone knows what is going to happen when he lines up except for Max - doing the same thing over and over and expecting the result to be different , we all know what that is.

25 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

It's the result of drafting and trading for players who are competitors and/or runners. It's honestly as simple as that. Composure, decision making and kicking have never been the number 1 priority since the 'Melbourne player' tag-line was introduced. When you have that many players on your list who all share the same weakness, this is the result. Kicking yourself out of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If we don't want to be left behind in a big way, Goody simply has to make some difficult but necessary calls on moving some senior players on in the off-season.

Oliver, Viney, Trac, Rivers. Their inability to execute skills at important times is unbelievably bad. Oliver was just wild today when he got the ball. No care. Viney, same story. Trac, same story. Rivers lacks serious composure too.

We need to make some hard calls at the end of the year, Oliver needs to go. I'd be willing to let Fritsch go and I hope May retires so Petty never plays forward again. Plus I think May is just not a great team mate.

Hard calls. Make them Simon.

Can’t disagree. That was schoolboy stuff today. In the end though if we kick straight in the third we probably win that.

14 minutes ago, Blue-and-red said:

Any chance someone at the club could explain to Max that he ALWAYS kicks to the left when shooting for goal ? No point playing him forward till he understands this basic principle. Don’t worry about trying to kick straight - aim to the right of desired flight path and all else will take care of itself!

Does my head in, everyone knows what is going to happen when he lines up except for Max - doing the same thing over and over and expecting the result to be different , we all know what that is.

Yeah pretty simple lost us a game against Cats a few years back and been the same ever since. Love Gawny but it unforgivable for a professional.

I don't even want to talk about it anymore. There's nothing we can do to help but they do need some help. And a regular psychologist isn't going to be near enough, they need to go to Vienna or something and get a team of the best psychiatrists watching these guys round the clock. How they sleep, how they eat, how they put one foot in front of the other. WE NEED A TEAM.

The misses aren't even close, they stink to high heaven. Has Max Gawn ever pushed a miss to the right in his life? Seriously, if he just went right peg every time he'd be Tony Lockett.

Tom Sparrow, the worst way to miss a snap from 3 metres out is short. I'd much prefer they go across the face. No-one watches Simon Eishold videos for practice.

On 05/06/2025 at 16:41, bing181 said:

"Everyone's trying to crack the code in terms of goalkicking," Goodwin said ahead of the King's Birthday blockbuster against Collingwood.

"There's certainly a skill to it and there's a mindset to it.

"We believe that we've done the work to get the skill set.

"It's now making sure that mentally we believe that we're capable and we finish the plays."

Will only say once

SAck the coach

Our training should really consist of nothing but goal kicking practice. How we can continually lose the same way is a blight on the entire football club.

18 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Can’t disagree. That was schoolboy stuff today. In the end though if we kick straight in the third we probably win that.

Big fella!

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Howard_Grimes

56 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

It's the result of drafting and trading for players who are competitors and/or runners. It's honestly as simple as that. Composure, decision making and kicking have never been the number 1 priority since the 'Melbourne player' tag-line was introduced. When you have that many players on your list who all share the same weakness, this is the result. Kicking yourself out of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If we don't want to be left behind in a big way, Goody simply has to make some difficult but necessary calls on moving some senior players on in the off-season.

Oliver, Viney, Trac, Rivers. Their inability to execute skills at important times is unbelievably bad. Oliver was just wild today when he got the ball. No care. Viney, same story. Trac, same story. Rivers lacks serious composure too.

We need to make some hard calls at the end of the year, Oliver needs to go. I'd be willing to let Fritsch go and I hope May retires so Petty never plays forward again. Plus I think May is just not a great team mate.

Hard calls. Make them Simon.

Riv is a real worry. He has plateaued

44 minutes ago, deegirl said:

Riv is a real worry. He has plateaued

It’s because we need cleaner ball use at half back and as a mid he just bombs it like the rest of our experienced mids. It’s a huge concern.

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I don't even want to talk about it anymore. There's nothing we can do to help but they do need some help. And a regular psychologist isn't going to be near enough, they need to go to Vienna or something and get a team of the best psychiatrists watching these guys round the clock. How they sleep, how they eat, how they put one foot in front of the other. WE NEED A TEAM.

The misses aren't even close, they stink to high heaven. Has Max Gawn ever pushed a miss to the right in his life? Seriously, if he just went right peg every time he'd be Tony Lockett.

Tom Sparrow, the worst way to miss a snap from 3 metres out is short. I'd much prefer they go across the face. No-one watches Simon Eishold videos for practice.

Talking about psychologists Trac desperately needs one so he can realise going back with the flight for a mark isn't a death sentence. He had a freak accident last year, it is almost zero chance something like that will ever happen again.

Get on the phone to Matty Lloyd tonight FFS!!! Specialist goalkicking coach, get it done.

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Get on the phone to Matty Lloyd tonight FFS!!! Specialist goalkicking coach, get it done.

Or Davd Neitz. PLEASE get somebody into Melbourne that will teach the fundamental skill of SET SHOT GOAL KICKING.

Everybody knows Melbourne suck at this. The current coaches know it. They've tried. The players know it. They've tried. All have failed.

We have dominated so many games since winning the flag in 21. So many games we've smashed the opposition with inside 50 counts and shots at goal. Only to lose through inaccurate kicking. A major component of this is set shot goal kicking. Melbourne's has been atrocious over the last 4 years. This year I hear it is the worst in the AFL.

Get Lloyd. Get Neitz. Or Get F@#*ed....

Time for Greeny to roll up his sleeves and teach the lads how to kick for goal.

He was a pretty straight kick back in the day.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Talking about psychologists Trac desperately needs one so he can realise going back with the flight for a mark isn't a death sentence. He had a freak accident last year, it is almost zero chance something like that will ever happen again.

Except I don’t believe it was an accident. But yes it won’t likely happen again.

I’m so so angry and frustrated. So so disappointed.

100% heart and effort.

At full strength.

But …

We lose games We beat ourselves We miss chance after chance

We are like a cricket team that cannot catch the ball

One of the most fundamental skills is being butchered by professional full time footballers

Goalkicking !!!

It’s a skill. Probably now the most important skill for the Melbourne footy club

Today’s 3rd quarter was the prime example The Dees had all the momentum Dees got within 5 points and had 3 goals in a row But had butchered opportunities to get in front

The misses … Gawn (hooked it again, 2.13 so far , and a miss from 25 metrs out), Gawn a running shot from 20 metrs out, Petty miss from 20 metres dead in front, Clarry left foot snap from 15 metre out (no score) , Trac a snap from 20 metre out (no score), Sparrow a miss from on the behind line that is a goal probably scored 85% of the time … such basic errors SIX chances … four behinds … no excuses … none !!! No breeze , no moisture !!!

(Sure Ports two goals were umpiring favourable to Rioli & Georgiades)

Zero scoreboard impact is DEMORALIZING for players and supporters It’s depressing !!

Port got in top and took their chances

What to do? @Demonland thats a 3 1/2 year question to Goodwin, Choco and all the professional coaches

Goalkicking … the ability to score is the most crucial part of our game

27 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

Time for Greeny to roll up his sleeves and teach the lads how to kick for goal.

He was a pretty straight kick back in the day.

said this for weeks just one hour a week with the fwds is all we are asking for please god 🙌

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Talking about psychologists Trac desperately needs one so he can realise going back with the flight for a mark isn't a death sentence. He had a freak accident last year, it is almost zero chance something like that will ever happen again.

Damage is done. He ain’t getting it back.

The retched luck this club has had with Gus, Trac and Oliver. I mean the odds of one player being retired vs losing the engine room over two seasons is just unfathomable.