5 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Most of the negative actions from CP5 were an understandable reaction to poor management by the club in the aftermath of his life threatening injury sustained while wearing red and blue.

You simply cannot say the same for Oliver. And then we coddled him. And it didn’t go unnoticed apparently by the playing group.

Oliver has less value than CP5 for all these reasons and his wage.

I would not trade someone just because we would get slightly more value. CP5 has a definite future in the game. I don’t think you can say that for Oliver; he has no secondary position, his commitment is questionable, and he has to be ultra fit to play a role in the midfield as he has seemingly lost his speed from the contest.

So I can definitely see a new coach coming in and seeing what an ‘Oliver-less’ midfield with CP5 complimented with speed and skill can do.

So are we going to ask Petracca to stop kicking and just hand ball it to better ball users?

2 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

So are we going to ask Petracca to stop kicking and just hand ball it to better ball users?

A new coach should demand he make better decisions with the ball, yes.

When the others in your midfield is Gawn, Viney, and Oliver - what do you think CP5 would do?

Blast away like the rest of the group.

And, again, I will harp on this for a decade - in 2022 the FD instructed the team to kick long and to the pocket to restrict the ability for the opposition to transition and to give ourselves entirely to the ‘territory protection’ racket that Goodwin loved so much. That broke the brains of the team as they immediately fell from top 6 in efficiency in 2021. Outside the top 10 never to recover.

Push a gameplan that encourages better decision making and leans on those with better skills, and discourages the worst excesses of those that are slow in retraining. That is my hope for Petracca and the next coach.

In fact, it is my expectation.

On 19/08/2025 at 16:10, rpfc said:

No he isn’t. We broke his kicking in 2022 when we told the mids to kick long and to the pocket to protect from being transitioned against when the team was struggling with injuries. It broke a number of our mids and they never really recovered their desire to engage higher decision making required in today’s game.

CP5 can regain that better judgement and be back as one of the top 5 players in the game.

I just hope it’s at the Demons.

We didnt break their kicking, we designed a game plan to their kicking ability. Kick long to a contest get numbers to the contest win the ball at the contest.

Issue is game is all about maintaining possession now, it is all about hitting that 25 to 35m kick, we just dont have enough players capable of doing this consistently.

42 minutes ago, drdrake said:

We didnt break their kicking, we designed a game plan to their kicking ability. Kick long to a contest get numbers to the contest win the ball at the contest.

Issue is game is all about maintaining possession now, it is all about hitting that 25 to 35m kick, we just dont have enough players capable of doing this consistently.

I would argue they don't even look inboard for easy hit up kicks. There are numerous examples of players streaming downfield only to bomb the ball long.

If its not to instruction the the players should have been dragged and whipped until they adhered to team rules. But someone was maybe too friendly with the players and refuses to drop them until 2 years has gone by...

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

We didnt break their kicking, we designed a game plan to their kicking ability. Kick long to a contest get numbers to the contest win the ball at the contest.

Issue is game is all about maintaining possession now, it is all about hitting that 25 to 35m kick, we just dont have enough players capable of doing this consistently.

What I have seen, especially comparing to 2021 and considering the 2022 instruction, is not what is intended nor coached but Goodwin and co have been unable to recapture any sought of coherent decision making such as we saw in 2021.

54 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I would argue they don't even look inboard for easy hit up kicks. There are numerous examples of players streaming downfield only to bomb the ball long.

If its not to instruction the the players should have been dragged and whipped until they adhered to team rules. But someone was maybe too friendly with the players and refuses to drop them until 2 years has gone by...

They dont look because they don't have the skill to hit the kick. Our mids especially are great contested ball winners, just cant hit targets consistently by foot. Kick to a contest counts as an effective position miss a hit up target doesn't.

Agree our coach backed to same players, not much down at Casey to bring in. We have gone to the draft grabbed some young mids, hopefully they can kick

Probably been well covered here. First time in this thread i think. But the more i think about CP5s year the more i get the feeling that he won't be with us next season.

Hope i'm wrong but also hope we get a super deal back our way IF that does take place.

Edited Thursday at 23:041 day by Demon Dynasty

19 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

It's bewildering that people are calling 2025 Petracca an A grader. Definitely some sunken cost bias or overconfidence bias in that I reckon. I'm probably leaning towards a preference for him staying, but I'm not certain he'll ever get back to the pre-injury form of last year and his 2020 - 2022 output. I don't think that's overly tied into his injury either, I'm slightly sceptical he wants to be at the Dees.

Exactly. A reasonable preci given without coloured glasses.

He's now more 'handy' than 'exceptional' .

He has mates ....

17 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I would argue they don't even look inboard for easy hit up kicks. There are numerous examples of players streaming downfield only to bomb the ball long.

If its not to instruction the the players should have been dragged and whipped until they adhered to team rules. But someone was maybe too friendly with the players and refuses to drop them until 2 years has gone by...

I think they are just not confident. They seem scared to try the high risk kicks because they know it's a 50/50 proposition at best.

At least bombing it long doesn't generate dangerous turnovers, at least not immediately.

45 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Probably been well covered here. First time in this thread i think. But the more i think about CP5s year the more i get the feeling that he won't be with us next season.

Hope i'm wrong but also hope we get a super deal back our way IF that does take place.

Butters for both Petracca and Oliver. One can dream 😂

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I think they are just not confident. They seem scared to try the high risk kicks because they know it's a 50/50 proposition at best.

At least bombing it long doesn't generate dangerous turnovers, at least not immediately.

You could write a book on confidence, repercussions of decisions and mental frailty on foot ball teams.

Some teams have been given licence to play with abandon. Doesn't always work but it seems opposite to what melbourne does.

I'm talking about the instinctive give or hit up kick to a leading player. When that is coached out of you everything becomes second guessing and stagnant

Watch how Brisbane chip kick their way out of defence - they don't think they just pull the trigger. Now watch melbourne. They kick backwards, half switch and then stop. Nothing instinctive at all about that and oppo's have plenty of time to shift their defence across the ground or send players back.

Before people say 'we don't have the skills' I don't believe that for a second. 15m short passes to space for a leading player to run onto are easy compared to a 40m pass to a contest. I. believe its mostly in the head and with players conflicted between instinct and coaching instructions.

Its why IMO a change of voice is critical to getting our game plan shifted.

11 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You could write a book on confidence, repercussions of decisions and mental frailty on foot ball teams.

Some teams have been given licence to play with abandon. Doesn't always work but it seems opposite to what melbourne does.

I'm talking about the instinctive give or hit up kick to a leading player. When that is coached out of you everything becomes second guessing and stagnant

Watch how Brisbane chip kick their way out of defence - they don't think they just pull the trigger. Now watch melbourne. They kick backwards, half switch and then stop. Nothing instinctive at all about that and oppo's have plenty of time to shift their defence across the ground or send players back.

Before people say 'we don't have the skills' I don't believe that for a second. 15m short passes to space for a leading player to run onto are easy compared to a 40m pass to a contest. I. believe its mostly in the head and with players conflicted between instinct and coaching instructions.

Its why IMO a change of voice is critical to getting our game plan shifted.

It's an interesting point. Brisbane's defence and ball movement seemed to be their achilles heel in 2021 / 2022 and with the injection of a few players and changing their style, it has become a strength. With the right direction surely this is not beyond us.

Clarry has had a promising end to the season. I reckon he’s a hold for next year.

I don’t know where Trac is at. I don’t think he knows either.

Trac looked unwell to me tonight. White as a ghost and paste looking skin.

I’ve been in favour of trading him but it’s a hard call. If he goes he will be hoping a new head coach and kicking coach can get the best out of him and get him back to his best. Same if he stays

Petracca is such a butcher by foot these days. Needs to be traded if we can get off his money.

5 minutes ago, Colm said:

Trac looked unwell to me tonight. White as a ghost and paste looking skin.

I’ve been in favour of trading him but it’s a hard call. If he goes he will be hoping a new head coach and kicking coach can get the best out of him and get him back to his best. Same if he stays

You're right, didnt look as brown and tan as he does every week.

I wasn't as disappointed in Trac's performance tonight, he wasn't amazing but showed glimpses again. I think what I'm more over is his attitude, he exudes negativity. Some will put it down to his competitiveness, I just don't really agree. There's an ego there that hates to be bruised and thrives off publicity (in my onlooker opinion).

His trade value probably still exceeds his worth to the team and so I know what my choice this off season would be, though I don't envy whoever has to make the call.

Great game from Claz, low contested numbers but got plenty of it. 86% disposal efficiency, 2 turnovers, pretty good.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by dazzledavey36

Plenty of whispers and loose lips in the room last night

all parties desperate for clarry to go

11 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

Great game from Claz, low contested numbers but got plenty of it. 86% disposal efficiency, 2 turnovers, pretty good.

Aside from his missed shot at HT, I think it was the best game he's played all year.

And in the space of one game the mood has turned. Clarry to stay and Trac to depart

1 minute ago, joeboy said:

And in the space of one game the mood has turned. Clarry to stay and Trac to depart

this has been me all year.

i can see a world where both remain and a world where one leaves, but i chop and chnage which one is the one to go every week.

If Nathan Buckley is coach next year I predict that Trac will have a big season, because Nathan Buckley was Trac's childhood hero.

12 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Petracca is such a butcher by foot these days. Needs to be traded if we can get off his money.

Yup, champion of the game and the club but his ball use and shots at goal are dreadful. Capitalize on what he’s worth and get another jet in.