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22 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

The NGA's were seemingly only brought in because clubs were whinging about the Northern academies. I agree with the sentiment but the AFL's solution was to basically compromise the draft even further. It's lead to the mess we're in now where the first round is now blowing out until pick 30 leaving rebuilding clubs like North and West Coast in an even bigger hole.

Imo the AFL should ditch the NGA's and put way stronger restrictions on the Northern academies. It is ridiculous that Gold Coast are able to draft 2-3 top twenty quality picks every year through their academy. Right now matching a pick in the draft comes with discounts and encourages teams to trade back their draft position and collect junk picks and futures to improve their position even further. Imo if you are jumping the queue to get an academy or F/S selection you should be made to pay a premium, not a discount.

A shout i've seen believe it was in the afl.com article related to each clubs feedback on academies is any undrafted NGA eligible player can be signed by any club as catB. currently it still has to be from within your own zone, recently we've brought through AMW but thats it as a catB indigneous player whilst WCE have had 4-5 listed and shuffled them to A rookies and essendon and collingwood and gcs have heavily multicultural zones currently provided larger numbers. if we could "poach" or more free-ly list these players it would solve some of the problems related to decreasing numbers at the pro level and make it a more worthwhile investment for the afl and clubs

 
5 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

Oh yes I would Dazzle. The system is broken. Every time a FS or Academy is taken ahead of you your pick is now one lower. We would have had Mills and we bid on Ashcroft.

We probably win a flag in 2023 if the Pies don’t have two Daicos boys. Win or lose, at least you’d know the system isn’t rigged.

Who knows if Viney was the reason we won in 2021, we might have been much better off or we might have missed the 8 in a fair draft system.

I believe the system is unfair and want it changed and whilst FS are romantic I think it’s a small price to pay for a better system.

Yeah I dont think you would actually.

The FS is just luck of the draw. Some club get dealt a good hand and some don't.

The academies isn't.

6 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

Oh yes I would Dazzle. The system is broken. Every time a FS or Academy is taken ahead of you your pick is now one lower. We would have had Mills and we bid on Ashcroft.

We probably win a flag in 2023 if the Pies don’t have two Daicos boys. Win or lose, at least you’d know the system isn’t rigged.

Who knows if Viney was the reason we won in 2021, we might have been much better off or we might have missed the 8 in a fair draft system.

I believe the system is unfair and want it changed and whilst FS are romantic I think it’s a small price to pay for a better system.

The system is not "rigged" because of FS. I dont understand that

 
7 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

Oh yes I would Dazzle. The system is broken. Every time a FS or Academy is taken ahead of you your pick is now one lower. We would have had Mills and we bid on Ashcroft.

We probably win a flag in 2023 if the Pies don’t have two Daicos boys. Win or lose, at least you’d know the system isn’t rigged.

Who knows if Viney was the reason we won in 2021, we might have been much better off or we might have missed the 8 in a fair draft system.

I believe the system is unfair and want it changed and whilst FS are romantic I think it’s a small price to pay for a better system.

The heart of the problem is not the f/s per se but teams got a 20 percent discount to take them. Its the wrong way around. For the romance (which to me has some appeal) you should be paying a 20 percent premium. Eg.. we just drafted Ashcroft... sure you can have him but not until you pay the rest of the comp with draft currency for him. You should have to pay for the right, not gain from the right.

As an aside, the clubs themselves have a lot to blame. Naicos was clearly the best player in that draft but in order to appease JHF's ego and the total neglience of the other clubs he went 4. Draft value 2034 points. 20 percent discount... 1651... they 'paid' 38,40,42,44.

If North had a brain they would have picked him 1 which would have meant the Pies had to pay an extra 1000 points, the equivalent of a late 1st/2nd rounder. Absolute amateur hour.

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11 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

The heart of the problem is not the f/s per se but teams got a 20 percent discount to take them. Its the wrong way around. For the romance (which to me has some appeal) you should be paying a 20 percent premium. Eg.. we just drafted Ashcroft... sure you can have him but not until you pay the rest of the comp with draft currency for him. You should have to pay for the right, not gain from the right.

As an aside, the clubs themselves have a lot to blame. Naicos was clearly the best player in that draft but in order to appease JHF's ego and the total neglience of the other clubs he went 4. Draft value 2034 points. 20 percent discount... 1651... they 'paid' 38,40,42,44.

If North had a brain they would have picked him 1 which would have meant the Pies had to pay an extra 1000 points, the equivalent of a late 1st/2nd rounder. Absolute amateur hour.

I’d presume the clubs are in on the lark. Either make them pay with the pick in the same round or get rid of it.


If there's anything that should go it's the rort that is priority picks. If you're shîté you're shîté. Deal with it.

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29 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I’d presume the clubs are in on the lark. Either make them pay with the pick in the same round or get rid of it.

It still wouldn’t be totally fair but at least they couldn’t just use a bunch of junk picks. My guess is the afl won’t be happy till they have gc lions gws and swans all in contention most years so they won’t change a thing. To me all of this cheapens winning a flag but since when has it ever been equal, everyone gets advantages in different ways some more valuable than others

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