8 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

rivers, mcvee, and probably sparrow are the youngsters who seem to be looked on as the next generation of leadership

JVR also highly regarded

11 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

 “let’s have fun” coach and certainly Darsknee Moore captained with a smile on his face, at least in the race before the game.

Darth Knee

12 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Putting 2 + 2 together it appears to me the club review uncovered that they need to relax and have more fun in their approach to footy.  That was Hawthorn last year and it sounds like Goody was told to lighten up. 

Maybe we should get Fev & Capper down to the club on a consulting basis?

He can be a [censored], but I would get Fev down there to help the forward line.

10 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

rivers, mcvee, and probably sparrow are the youngsters who seem to be looked on as the next generation of leadership

Would’ve thought Sparrow just needs to focus on developing his game. Has stalled and is at risk of not being a regular firsts player next year unless he improves. 

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

JVR also highly regarded

In his exit interview he raised that he’d like to one day captain the club.

4 minutes ago, JJJ said:

In his exit interview he raised that he’d like to one day captain the club.

love it

3 hours ago, 640MD said:

Not trying to tell people how to live,  but if you fall off a bicycle or a horse  then the advice is often to get back on Or at least try and hug the horse or get a trike or something.  It could be a real win for MFC and a win for Gus.  Whatever Gus wants in the first instance,

I think you just did!! 

Rivers and McVee are potential future leaders. Chandler and Sparrow not really. Leaders need to be 'in the play' more, and they often aren't. Ideally JVR stays less in the ruck ... so he wouldn't be in the play too much. (Yeah, I know Neita was a forward, but he was the exception as a leader.)

 

14 hours ago, adonski said:

Yeah what a bloody disaster that was!

Viney to step aside, and Rivers to step up is my guess

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Viney to step aside, and Rivers to step up is my guess

no no no never

2 hours ago, At Least I Saw a Flag said:

I think you just did!! 

Rivers and McVee are potential future leaders. Chandler and Sparrow not really. Leaders need to be 'in the play' more, and they often aren't. Ideally JVR stays less in the ruck ... so he wouldn't be in the play too much. (Yeah, I know Neita was a forward, but he was the exception as a leader.)

 

I'm interested in why you see McVee as a future leader. What's the evidence for this? I see a great on-field talent, but that doesn't always translate to being leadership material. You could put together a great team of players none of whom had any leadership interest or capability. Players such as Gary Ablett Sr, Bruce Doull, Buddy Franklin and Dustin Martin were all greats of the game, but none were leaders. 

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Yeah what a bloody disaster that was!

It wasn’t their fault, we had a [censored] team and worse coach.

3 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Would’ve thought Sparrow just needs to focus on developing his game. Has stalled and is at risk of not being a regular firsts player next year unless he improves. 

that may be how we as supporters see it, but there's no doubt he's looked at as an emerging leader at the club if you hear players and coaches talk about him

3 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Would’ve thought Sparrow just needs to focus on developing his game. Has stalled and is at risk of not being a regular firsts player next year unless he improves. 

Needs to lose some muscle and focus on speed and endurance..

1 hour ago, forever demons said:

no no no never

not saying I want that but might happen 

Viney is a leader either way

But I think we need some under 27yo leaders to connect with the next gen

39 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

that may be how we as supporters see it, but there's no doubt he's looked at as an emerging leader at the club if you hear players and coaches talk about him

Can captain Casey

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm interested in why you see McVee as a future leader. What's the evidence for this? I see a great on-field talent, but that doesn't always translate to being leadership material. You could put together a great team of players none of whom had any leadership interest or capability. Players such as Gary Ablett Sr, Bruce Doull, Buddy Franklin and Dustin Martin were all greats of the game, but none were leaders. 

Reasonable question.

I see him as a future leader too.

A big reason is arguably the most common trait of leaders is they leave no stone unturned in terms of realising their potential.

Judd was on the rookie list, so not some uber talented, highly rated high draft pick.

My understanding is he was no lock to stay on the rookie list, let alone the senior list. He was at the crossroads.

During the 2023 preseason break Judd took it on himself to do extra work to get AFL fit, build his tank and increase his acceleration.

On the back of that work he was a shock 2023 round one selection. 

He has been a best 22 lock since.

Another big tick in terms of leadership is IIRC he wasn't a defender as a junior or at Casey.

Yet that is where he was selected round one 2023 (and since).

We needed a half back flanker with good kicking skills, they identified Judd as having the right attributes and defensive discipline and he stepped up and made the role his own.

My two bobs worth is Lever next Captain.  As for younger leaders, Rivers stands out.  

Reading between the lines we may find Trac and Clarry aren't part of the leadership group, leaving a bit of a gap there.

3 hours ago, old dee said:

It wasn’t their fault, we had a [censored] team and worse coach.

Yes I know but what a shizzen decision which I hated when it was made!

59 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

Reading between the lines we may find Trac and Clarry aren't part of the leadership group, leaving a bit of a gap there.

Nor should they be.

Clarry needs to simply focus on getting back to his best, whereas Trac needs to simply focus on footballing matters……….plenty of time to worry about his brand after retiring

Sounds like Max wants to give the captain away but I heard on a podcast he said he wants to give it away In a good period not a tough one

5 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

that may be how we as supporters see it, but there's no doubt he's looked at as an emerging leader at the club if you hear players and coaches talk about him

He was dropped to Casey at the back end of the year on top of injuries to Oliver and Petracca and midfield depth at an almighty low.

Less focus on leadership and more focus on actually getting a kick.

Happily trade him next year if he's still picking up 12-15 touches a game and having zero influence like he did this year.

7 hours ago, DubDee said:

Viney to step aside, and Rivers to step up is my guess

I'm guessing a leadership group of 5

I think bringing in Nathan Jones allows Viney and the rest of the mids to fall under his tutelage/leadership and focus more on pure footy

While Gawn takes the wider role of bringing in 4 others of that younger dem. Maybe Lever too.

 

Rivers VC is a big call though. Interesting!

 

 

 

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Yes I know but what a shizzen decision which I hated when it was made!

Just shows, how poor the leadership was in the older group.  There was little offered,  poor decisions earlier,  not the fault of those particular players.