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Forward line fix?

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leave it to deever
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On 07/11/2024 at 06:21, Adam The God said:

I've got confidence in Chaplin. Very excited by what he can provide the forwardline in 2025.

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Troy Chaplin working on the forward line as we speak 

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    On 07/11/2024 at 12:44, rpfc said:

    As I have said across a number of different threads since 2022 - it is less about ‘the big tall forward’ and more about how we have moved the ball in transition from the backline. We just have to continue to move in the bold and daring direction. There are variants but in today’s game of disciplined, athleteyou run hs executing team defence - moving it quickly and directly to players with decent forward craft is key.

    When they come back for pre-season training - Chaplin has to continue what McQualter reignited and push our best players out of their baser instincts; May demanding the ball and slowing down play, Gawn requesting dump footy and waiting for him to get into the forward 50, CP5 and CO13 running 5m and dumping it indiscriminately forward - run further and get it over the defensive setup or use forward handballs but our best players are so predictable it makes their dominance moot.

    So, yes, would love a dominant forward but  I hey would be wasted until we , ix these issues and get the ball moving.

    Been saying the same thing since 22 and agree with you if you have ever heard Nick Riewoldt, Dunstall and Dermott Brereton they talk about the figure 8 and as a forward you keep running your opponent around even when the ball is nowhere near them and when the ball is coming down towards the forward line you run even harder and then lead. 

    The one thing I hope next year is we don't have every forward  player over the wing area and leave a some players back so your opposition cannot build a wall on the H/B line all alone and then keep bombing in it to their forward line.

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    On 07/11/2024 at 11:14, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    I think the bones are there to have a functioning forward line.

    My key concerns are:

    1. Back up ruck - this just can’t be JVR anymore. He has to be our main forward target. If this means Fullarton plays then so be it, as I’d rather him rucking than Petty.

    2. Additional mid/small - these players are so important in the modern game and with ANB gone we need someone to step up. Will be between Sharp, Spargo, Billings and Laurie I think. Unless we get someone in the draft who fits the bill.

    Good call - This is exactly what we have done. 

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    On 07/11/2024 at 10:58, biggestred said:

    no one leads at the ball carrier

    no one blocks to create separation so they can lead at the ball carrier unopposed...

    new coach will do wonders down there i hope

    It is a good pattern, just get it done, Dees.

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    Surely as well as quick decisive movement into the F50, delivery to moving targets (or into space ahead of moving targets) instead of to the tops of the heads of a stagnant pack of talls and smalls who want to take speccies is needed.

    Movement to create space behind even if you know the ball won’t necessarily come your way is positive team work. 
     

    If you always do what you’ve always done, you will always get what you always got.  And that hasn’t worked over the past three seasons. So ….?

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    On 07/11/2024 at 11:32, Its Time for Another said:

    I wouldn’t write off McAdam yet. His season was ruined by injury which ended up costing form. He’s a very good player at his best. That doesn’t just vanish forever. I hope 

    I would right him off, doesn’t look interested & l can’t remember him ever being a very good player 

    Think Jefferson will have an impact in 2025

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    1 hour ago, Billy said:

    I would right him off, doesn’t look interested & l can’t remember him ever being a very good player 

    Think Jefferson will have an impact in 2025

    Maybe we only recruited him to stop Kosi instinctively attempting a speccy at every contest. :laugh:

    ...Although it was more of a reaction to Melkshams ACL and the need to fill the role he'd carved out for himself pre injury.

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    11 hours ago, Billy said:

    I would right him off, doesn’t look interested & l can’t remember him ever being a very good player 

    Think Jefferson will have an impact in 2025

    Despite being an injury prone player and never getting more than 15 games a season, he’s still good for 1.5 goals a game.

    I guess our logic at the time of trading for him was that he was a due for an injury free year, he’d get a weaker defender than Pickett and he’d manage a 30 goal season in 2024 

    I guess that logic still applies for next year.

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    On 29/11/2024 at 21:28, John Demonic said:

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    Troy Chaplin working on the forward line as we speak 

    "Pepe Silvia" - It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia

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    On 07/11/2024 at 00:02, leave it to deever said:

    Have we picked up a couple of tall fwds yet to fix a problem that I'd say 99 % of supporters agree on.

    Based on?

    Tall forwards is the least of our problems - nor most teams'. There were more than a few clubs in the finals without a really dominate KPF.

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    On 07/11/2024 at 10:02, leave it to deever said:

    Hi good Dlanders.

    Due to a few health issues, I've very much been out of the loop regarding our trades and expulsions etc.

    Have we picked up a couple of tall fwds yet to fix a problem that I'd say 99 % of supporters agree on.

    That our fwd line has been lacking a big bodied , uninjured, experienced tall player that can compete for the Coleman.

    Perhaps we are missing a decent full forward and chf.

    In any case our fwd line has cost us possibly two flags and has been a problem very much unprofessionally ignored by the club for three years in a row.

    Have the powers to be woken up and done anything about it in the last four months?

    Much obliged.

    Get well soon dearest Deever. 

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    It's a misconcetion on Demonland that JVR is being wasted in the ruck. He's clearly our second best tap ruckmen. Anyone who thinks we shouldn't play him there to prevenent injury might need to look at the skipper.

    Forward connection didn't work for us in the 2023 finals because all our forwards and even back up forwards were out injured.

    Kicking to a pack in front of goal? Has anyone watched Jake Lever kick to Max Gawn when we needed a goal to win the minor premiership and go on to win the proper one

     

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    7 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Stafford as forwards coach … and now Chaplin.  Why not have an experienced ex- forward to coach the forward line !!!

    Jim Carrey Harry Dunne GIF by Dumb and Dumber To

    Which one are you?

    Seriously naive and lazy take. Chaplin is our best line coach and respected in the league and he is coaching leading patterns and ball movement. You don’t need to be a ‘former AFL forward’ to be able to understand them, apply them in a team context, and coach them to blokes to execute on the weekend.

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    7 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

    It's a misconcetion on Demonland that JVR is being wasted in the ruck. He's clearly our second best tap ruckmen. Anyone who thinks we shouldn't play him there to prevenent injury might need to look at the skipper.

    Forward connection didn't work for us in the 2023 finals because all our forwards and even back up forwards were out injured.

    Kicking to a pack in front of goal? Has anyone watched Jake Lever kick to Max Gawn when we needed a goal to win the minor premiership and go on to win the proper one

     

    I am with you Wrecker and get infuriated when the D/L ers IMO completely disregard JVR’s contribution in the ruck.

    Firstly they underestimate his worth just writing it off. He is by the Flemington straight easily the best second rock forward on our list till the end of 2023. 

    How this will be in 2024 is anyone’s guess. With Campbell and Johnson I would expect he might go back a peg or two. But he competes he scratches he palms he bodies and up forward I believe he engaged himself into the game more than if he was just a forward. 

    He is not great at the centre bounce but should get more time playing behind the ball. 

    I think he might kick 40 goals  in 2025 rucking or no rucking.

    I think he needs to start grabbing some marks one grab and it will become a lot easier plus his confidence will soar. We can hope it this year!! 

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    Just now, 58er said:

    I am with you Wrecker and get infuriated when the D/L ers IMO completely disregard JVR’s contribution in the ruck.

    Firstly they underestimate his worth just writing it off. He is by the Flemington straight easily the best second rock forward on our list till the end of 2023. 

    How this will be in 2024 is anyone’s guess. With Campbell and Johnson I would expect he might go back a peg or two. But he competes he scratches he palms he bodies and up forward I believe he engaged himself into the game more than if he was just a forward. 

    He is not great at the centre bounce but should get more time playing behind the ball. 

    I think he might kick 40 goals  in 2025 rucking or no rucking.

    I think he needs to start grabbing some marks one grab and it will become a lot easier plus his confidence will soar. We can hope it this year!! 

    Got  years mixed up 2023 should be 2024 and 2024 should be 2025.  Sorry. 

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    On 03/12/2024 at 15:05, layzie said:

    Get well soon dearest Deever. 

    I'm really surprised by this.

    Didn't we recruit Grundy as part of a solution to providing a tall option fwd? 

    Have we replaced another fwd who hasn't played for reasons I don't want to discuss?

    As talented as Fritta is, he can often be out bodied.

    Tmac is no longer a fwd option.

    So why do you think this isn't an issue?

    And I think Jvr is still developing and has had to play in the middle often.

    So who do we really have?

    Not having a dig. Just genuinely interested.

    Cheers.

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    On 04/12/2024 at 07:20, rpfc said:

    Which one are you?

    Seriously naive and lazy take. Chaplin is our best line coach and respected in the league and he is coaching leading patterns and ball movement. You don’t need to be a ‘former AFL forward’ to be able to understand them, apply them in a team context, and coach them to blokes to execute on the weekend.

    I can tell you in one single point how the 2nd highest goal kicker in the history of AFL got 90% of his goals and here it is:

    “when he saw his team mate with the ball, he led away from him, not to him and the ball was passed in front of him as he jogged in for an easy chest mark.”

    I agree it is not rocket science, just utilising your assets, with a few basic plays. The chaos goals can still be scored occasionally.

     

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    On 03/12/2024 at 23:35, spirit of norm smith said:

    Stafford as forwards coach … and now Chaplin.  Why not have an experienced ex- forward to coach the forward line !!!

    Jim Carrey Harry Dunne GIF by Dumb and Dumber To

    So does having an experienced ex forward automatically means success as a forwards coach does it?

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    32 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    So does having an experienced ex forward automatically means success as a forwards coach does it?

    Ex AFL experienced forward catching the forward line … that might be helpful … just a thought. 

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    On 03/12/2024 at 15:05, layzie said:

    Get well soon dearest Deever. 

    Tx Layzie

    Sorry I quoted you by mistake earlier.

    Much appreciated.

    I'm missing footy.

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    On 03/12/2024 at 23:35, spirit of norm smith said:

    Stafford as forwards coach … and now Chaplin.  Why not have an experienced ex- forward to coach the forward line !!!

    Jim Carrey Harry Dunne GIF by Dumb and Dumber To

    I've said this before but Chaplin coached the highest scoring forwardline in the comp in 2018, last time he was a forwards coach...

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    6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    So does having an experienced ex forward automatically means success as a forwards coach does it?

    Agreed, No it does not. Being a good coach is more about your ability to build connections and clearly articulate your message. Fages never even played AFL and is now a premiership coach. 

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    On 04/12/2024 at 07:20, rpfc said:

    Which one are you?

    Seriously naive and lazy take. Chaplin is our best line coach and respected in the league and he is coaching leading patterns and ball movement. You don’t need to be a ‘former AFL forward’ to be able to understand them, apply them in a team context, and coach them to blokes to execute on the weekend.

    There is an art to forward craft that's takes a while to learn, but from what's reported Chaplin is working well and with a gameplan change it will make his job easier, I have advocated for a seasoned coach so give him a chance.

     

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    Got to believe AJ, Big Jacob and the Rizzler will return us to goal scoring glory. 

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