16 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

IMO, the below are the only ones who I'm backing in as best 22.  

Still not sold on Petty/Turner as key forwards and we need a ruck/forward to let JVR develop solely as a forward.

FB:     McVee           May               Lever
HB:     Salem         McDonald       Rivers
C:       Langdon      Viney            Windsor
HF:     Chandler       ????            Kozzy
FF:      Fritsch          JVR              ????
R:       Gawn           Trac            Oliver* (based on decent preseason)

Really, on paper, that team is fine with enough fire power around the pill and enough skill/talent to be be able to adapt to some quicker ball movement.  

I'd rather Petty heading back as I think that's where he plays his best football which means Lever can go defend a mid size forward although it still leaves us tall down there.  Happy with McDonald this year but I still think Petty will go back and take his spot at some stage.

Still not sold on Jeffo (sorry PicketFence) but may be scarred from the one game I saw him live last season which was fairly underwhelming.  He's obviously came on a lot since then and I do hope he can prove me wrong.

I'm still bullish on a top 4/6 spot in 2025 if the veterans (May/Gawn/Viney) can remain at their current levels and we can get Oliver back to his best whilst seeing some further improvements from Windsor & McVee.  Just need a clean offseason (from now).

We really need a young one to come in and explode on the scene to give us a huge lift but I just can't see any of Tholstrup, Turner, Moniz-Wakefield, Laurie, Bowey, Howes really being much more than role players at best.

Here's hoping P5 can hit the ground running.

 

Brand CP5  will show little interest next year while negotiations continue in the background

Club could implode

21 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I forgot Woewodin

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, McDonald, Rivers

C: Windsor, Pick 5, Langdon

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Turner

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Moniz-Wakefield, Sparrow, Tholstrup, McAdam, Melksham

 

Casey

B: Howes, Adams, Draft pick

HB: Bowey, Draft pick, Woewodin

C: Billings, Laurie, Brown

HF: Spargo, Kentfield, Draft pick

F: Yze?, Jefferson, Fullerton

FOLL: Draft pick, Draft pick, Draft pick

IC: Mentha?, Verrall

SUS: Pickett

I don't agree with Picket that Jefferson will play. The club wants stability in the forwafrd line. It has to be Petty, Turner and van Rooyen. While McDonald is at CHB Petty will be CHF.

 

There's no way known we're taking 7 draft picks.

21 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

FB: ?????  May  Lever
HB: McVee Petty Bowey
C; Langdon  Rivers  Windsor
HF: Chandler ?????  Viney
FF: Pickett  Turner Petracca
Foll: Gawn Oliver  ?????
Int: Salem JVR Tholstrup ?????

Probables: Fritsch, Sparrow, T Mc, Howes

Possibles: Pick 6, Melksham, Jefferson, Billings, Spargo, McAdam, Fullarton

Just need a genuine CHF, a quality midfielder, a back pocket and some quality speed in the forward line and we'll be sweet.

I know you don't rate him, and he had a poorish season, but he should be picking himself and causing all sorts of trouble for the opposition.

I don't know how to get the best out of him at the moment, but he should be beating the oppo's 3rd or 4th defender considering Petty and JVR are probably copping defenders #1 and #2 - eg Harris Andrews and Jack Paine.

On 02/09/2024 at 00:35, WERRIDEE said:

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, McDonald, Rivers

C: Windsor, Pick 5, Langdon

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Turner

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Moniz-Wakefield, Sparrow, Tholstrup, McAdam, Melksham

Noting the passage of time, recent performances and the gaps that were evidence this year (even acknowledging injuries), I think that side is a fair way off competing for a top 8 position. 

Bolded names indicate individuals I have concerns with and suspect their form may slip even further next season. 

NB:

- Petty's selection is in reference to him playing forward, I can't see him delivering any further of substance down forward.

- May has been a fantastic servant and was instrumental in our flag, as well as during 2022 and most of 2023. However, there were numerous times this season where he was beaten in contests that you'd previously bank him to win. Looks to have lost a step; will be 33 prior to the start of next season. I still see him as a valuable commodity, but can't see him returning to the form of 21/22. 

Edited September 3, 2024Sep 3 by BLWNBA

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I know you don't rate him, and he had a poorish season, but he should be picking himself and causing all sorts of trouble for the opposition.

I don't know how to get the best out of him at the moment, but he should be beating the oppo's 3rd or 4th defender considering Petty and JVR are probably copping defenders #1 and #2 - eg Harris Andrews and Jack Paine.

He’s mostly a possible because I’d be trading him. But I’d also be playing Tracc as a permanent forward for the start of next year so the pressure is on medium forwards who don’t defend. Even more so if McAdam can get fit.

We just can’t be carrying such a one dimensional player especially if the aim is to play a more open and faster paced style. 

In terms of sides for 2025, I will stick with my view that we need someone to provide drive and pace from down back - and the only player in the Jordan Clark/Nick Blakey mould on our list is Caleb Windsor.

The loss of Kozzie for the first three weeks means that we can also trial Bowey forward.

My other switch is that I'd give Kynan Brown a decent go at making the grade and start him on the left-side wing.

Other than that, I have no surprises, although Oliver has been left out at this stage because he has to show he can still lay a tackle before playing.

B: McVee May T.Mac
HB: Windsor Lever Salem
C: Langdon Rivers K.Brown
HF: Petracca Petty Chandler
F: Bowey Fritsch JVR
Ru: Gawn Sparrow Viney
Int: Turner (fwd), Tholstrup (fwd/mid), Moniz- Wakefield (def), No.5 pick (mid), Woewodin (sub)

Emerg: Howes, Laurie, Sestan

 

Does anybody out there think this team can win a premiership we are not even close in my view

35 minutes ago, Kent said:

Does anybody out there think this team can win a premiership we are not even close in my view

I don't think we're a snowball's chance of winning a premiership.

We simply don't have the skill level required. Our goal kicking is league average and some weeks can be really good. However our field kicking and decision making is atrocious and getting worse under Goodwin.

Our pressure isn't up to scratch unless our backs are against the wall and/or we've had a poor loss the prior week. Our pressure is generally conditional while at other club's it's generally unconditional.

Most of this year's final 8 have both of the above ingredients in spades that we have lacking.

Edited September 3, 2024Sep 3 by Bring-Back-Powell

5 hours ago, Dr. Mubutu said:

There's no way known we're taking 7 draft picks.

Some of them, will be rookie picks.

On 02/09/2024 at 13:57, WERRIDEE said:

Where's this coming from. That would be a huge blow having both Pickett and Petracca out.

Well for one he needs a pre-season for the pre-season. If he is having to sit out another month or who knows how long before getting back to full running, then he'll have limited runs on the board when pre-season starts. Instead of doing an Oliver, i think we hold him back and add another fitness block when the season starts. 

End of the day i dont know what im talking about, but gut feel is he wont be ready by Round 1. 

On 02/09/2024 at 13:40, WERRIDEE said:

I forgot Woewodin

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, McDonald, Rivers

C: Windsor, Pick 5, Langdon

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Turner

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Moniz-Wakefield, Sparrow, Tholstrup, McAdam, Melksham

 

Casey

B: Howes, Adams, Draft pick

HB: Bowey, Draft pick, Woewodin

C: Billings, Laurie, Brown

HF: Spargo, Kentfield, Draft pick

F: Yze?, Jefferson, Fullerton

FOLL: Draft pick, Draft pick, Draft pick

IC: Mentha?, Verrall

SUS: Pickett

I don't agree with Picket that Jefferson will play. The club wants stability in the forwafrd line. It has to be Petty, Turner and van Rooyen. While McDonald is at CHB Petty will be CHF.

 

On what evidence, does Petty play forward??? a handfull of goals in 18 games is a dreadful return, mate if thats the best we got we are totally FIRKED play him back where he belongs

6 hours ago, Deespicable said:

In terms of sides for 2025, I will stick with my view that we need someone to provide drive and pace from down back - and the only player in the Jordan Clark/Nick Blakey mould on our list is Caleb Windsor.

The loss of Kozzie for the first three weeks means that we can also trial Bowey forward.

My other switch is that I'd give Kynan Brown a decent go at making the grade and start him on the left-side wing.

Other than that, I have no surprises, although Oliver has been left out at this stage because he has to show he can still lay a tackle before playing.

B: McVee May T.Mac
HB: Windsor Lever Salem
C: Langdon Rivers K.Brown
HF: Petracca Petty Chandler
F: Bowey Fritsch JVR
Ru: Gawn Sparrow Viney
Int: Turner (fwd), Tholstrup (fwd/mid), Moniz- Wakefield (def), No.5 pick (mid), Woewodin (sub)

Emerg: Howes, Laurie, Sestan

 

STOPPUTTINGPETTTYINTHEFORWARDLINE FUR FAAAAARG SAKE

On 02/09/2024 at 13:55, Young Blood said:

Is this from some medical insight? or just feel/sense based on where he's at currently?

No it is from the infallible source of the media (confidential of course)

Why are we picking sides now !!! No wonder we get into a lather over issues.

There is a full pre season to be had yet AND some of our marginals will have matured  plus you never know what is going to happen in the next 6 months !!!

See you all next year !!!

13 minutes ago, picket fence said:

On what evidence, does Petty play forward??? a handfull of goals in 18 games is a dreadful return, mate if thats the best we got we are totally FIRKED play him back where he belongs

We have no excuses to trade for a Power Forward.

If this happens Petty back in his familiar defensive post.

31 minutes ago, picket fence said:

On what evidence, does Petty play forward??? a handfull of goals in 18 games is a dreadful return, mate if thats the best we got we are totally FIRKED play him back where he belongs

 

30 minutes ago, picket fence said:

STOPPUTTINGPETTTYINTHEFORWARDLINE FUR FAAAAARG SAKE

Mr Fence.   I get the impression from these, and other posts on other threads, that you don't rate Mr Petty very highly as a forward.

 

But all these "round 1 line up" posts are really meaningless at this stage.  

Naming "pick 5" in the midfield for round 1 assumes both  (a) we use pick 5 on a midfielder  AND (b) that midfielder is deemed ready to play midfield round 1.

Too early. … wait until end of November.  

9 hours ago, Kent said:

Does anybody out there think this team can win a premiership we are not even close in my view

Port are second on the ladder and hosting a home final.

Geelong are 3rd with no quality midfielders.

One of them will host a home prelim and be favourites to make the grand final.

This is an unusually even season and maybe the Hawks, Freo and the Dogs just dominate next year, but who knows? We add pick 6 and a few quality trade ins and we're a chance to improve greatly.

On 01/09/2024 at 10:35, WERRIDEE said:

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, McDonald, Rivers

C: Windsor, Pick 5, Langdon

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Turner

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Moniz-Wakefield, Sparrow, Tholstrup, McAdam, Melksham

 

Casey

B: Howes, Adams, Draft pick

HB: Bowey, Draft pick, Draft pick

C: Billings, Laurie, Brown

HF: Spargo, Kentfield, Draft pick

F: Yze?, Jefferson, Fullerton

FOLL: Draft pick, Draft pick, Draft pick

IC: Mentha?, Verrall

SUS: Pickett

I'll revisit this after the trade period. 

I love the followers for Casey and the interchange too. Great players.

Peating🤣🤣🤣 

19 hours ago, Kent said:

Does anybody out there think this team can win a premiership we are not even close in my view

If we did what I now suggest, yes I think we would be top 4 .

The MFC has half back flanks galore. IMV three of Salem, Bowie , Howes, AMW can do the job nicely in the company of quality big defenders .

this means both Rivers and McVee can be freed up to play on ball. Both have pace and I think the ability to be top line mids. They also dispose of the ball well. My sense is that they might make it unlikely Sparrow can hold his place. He has been disappointing since 2021. I think this would start to redress a marked weakness in 2024, lack of pace in the middle .

thoughts?

Given we are not bringing in any free agents or trading for any established players… our best team for 2025

B: McVee May T.Mac
HB: Rivers Lever Bowey
C: Langdon Viney Windsor 
HF: Throlstrup Petty Chandler
F: Pickett* JVR Fritsch
Ru: Gawn Oliver Petracca 
Int: Turner, Sparrow, Salem, Howes

depth: backs ANW, Hore, Adams, K.Brown

depth: mids Laurie, Billings, Woewodin 

depth: forwards Melksham, McAdam,  Spargo*, Jefferson, Fullarton, Sestan, Kentfield

depth: ruck T.Campbell, Verrall

draft picks - TBC (+6) it’s a good draft so hopefully we get some young guns to add to the squad 

* Pickett suspended for 1st three matches of 2025 so Spargo if fit gets the nod

13 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Given we are not bringing in any free agents or trading for any established players… our best team for 2025

B: McVee May T.Mac
HB: Rivers Lever Bowey
C: Langdon Viney Windsor 
HF: Throlstrup Petty Chandler
F: Pickett* JVR Fritsch
Ru: Gawn Oliver Petracca 
Int: Turner, Sparrow, Salem, Howes

depth: backs ANW, Hore, Adams, K.Brown

depth: mids Laurie, Billings, Woewodin 

depth: forwards Melksham, McAdam,  Spargo*, Jefferson, Fullarton, Sestan, Kentfield

depth: ruck T.Campbell, Verrall

draft picks - TBC (+6) it’s a good draft so hopefully we get some young guns to add to the squad 

* Pickett suspended for 1st three matches of 2025 so Spargo if fit gets the nod

Its the obvious team on paper yes.

I think Sparrow is going to really have to earn that spot next season with a huge preseason and add a few more strings to his bow.

My only change to this would be IN: AMW and OUT: Sparrow

Having Sparrow in will reduce the midfield rotation time for Rivers (and eventually Kozzy). But Rivers is like the new Gus as a versatile, more dynamic option to put in the midfield for longer periods. Get him in there as much as possible I say.

I hope pick 6 is in the Round 1 team, we sure need it

Edited October 9, 2024Oct 9 by BW511

On 03/09/2024 at 07:21, Kent said:

Brand CP5  will show little interest next year while negotiations continue in the background

Club could implode

Once again your extraordinary choice of opinion is like your D/L name just like the half forward it represents no substance all fluff and can’t kick right foot and always injured. Oh and played about 5 decent games not even decent  role playing when fit. 

FYI is wrong for one reason.

Brand PETRACCA cannot afford to be unsuccessful at footy. Everything is class and style so no implosion. 

If Christian can regain full health physical and mental for the AFL he will be in our top3 without a doubt in 2025. 

Stop trying to take the Club backwards like the press and move on or move away. 

On 02/09/2024 at 11:12, M_9 said:

I do not want JvR playing as a back-up ruckman. If he's to progress as a key forward he has to play that position 100% of his tog.

You are right in absolute footy sense but I disagree because having JVR rucking gives us an X factor to enable Maxy to rest or go forward  or move our other talls and Fritta around the forward line. Add Kossie and hopefully a Derksen or Pick 5 mid would be a good start also. 

My biggest ? Is we need more goals and McAdam may surprise with a fitness level for AFL why not try Bowey at HF and Chandler despite his tackling and competitiveness is goal shy.

I hope we place The Duke  in the centre to direct yes direct our forward connectivity. He is the best in the team and given a strong preseason deserves the opportunity to refocus our team from there. Talk about Daicos  and Ashcroft we have a similar jet let’s use him more.

Spargo returning might be a surprise but again we need a high half forward to replace Nibbler. Will Kolt be the man? 

Our forward line should be better with Turner and Petty having greatly more influence on our play and goal kicking. 100 + goals between JVR Turner and Petty would be a great start to build on. Not entirely impossible only doubling what happened this year!!!

And remember we may still pick up an Owies or I would like Daniel’s and play him forward. He uses the ball so well goal would result. 

Plenty of upside with Jeffo  Taj  and Campbell in the wings.