What if we had a firesale?

[RalphiusMaximus 6,102]

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

[Demonland 73,465]

[Mickey 4,756]

5 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

We could also end up like GC...

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,556]

5 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

Thanks for starting this, RM. I had a similar thought and wondered where to put it. My version was to ask what suite of picks might we have in a best-case haul from a clear-out of the known and possible want-outs.

[adonski 12,903]

Petty re-signed earlier this year and is still young. Lost some value too after his year up forward in 2024. He's a keeper long term as a key defender.

Clarry has had his worst year ever and you never sell low, unless there is significant doubt internally that he won't keep his act together off the field. Not like we're desperate for cap space anyway with the loss of Brayshaw, Grundy, BBB....Trac?

If there's a view that Pickett's home coming is inevitable, I'd trade him to Freo should they come to the table with a couple of first round picks. Obviously you'd love to keep him for his entire career but that seems doubtful.

I know it won't be popular but the Petracca trade is a no brainer if Carlton are silly enough to trade us a couple of first round picks plus steak knives. 29 years old, coming off an injury where no one really knows how he'll return.

In a perfect world we'd all be singing kumbaya round a camp fire with Trac & Kozzie shouting their allegiances to the club from the roof tops, but if that isn't possible you sell high where you can.

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by adonski

[adonski 12,903]

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Oh no, Trac to Footahskray!

Edited August 30, 2024 by adonski

[Little Goffy 14,750]

Party like it's 2009.

[BDA 23,016]

[RalphiusMaximus 6,102]

9 minutes ago, adonski said:

I know it won't be popular but the Petracca trade is a no brainer if Carlton are silly enough to trade us a couple of first round picks plus steak knives. 29 years old, coming off an injury where no one really knows how he'll return

Richmond look like they'll have a bunch of first round picks to play with.  I wonder if we could get three out of them?  

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Hopefully we wouldn't squander 10 first round picks like we did that year I removed from my memory bank

Edited August 30, 2024 by Moonshadow

[DeeSpencer 26,266]

WWSPD?

What would Sam Presti do.

The OKC Thunder had a big tear down and banked a metric tonne of picks. The star player wanting out and then the team packing it in is pretty common in the NBA.

I doubt we’d do it, but I think this is how I’d do it:

- Tracc goes for picks or high quality under 23 players 
- Move on Fritsch
- See if we can sneak a decent pick upgrade from Steve May to a contender
- Viney to North

- Hold Oliver for now. With no rush to win the plan would be to maximise his value and possibly restructure his contract by front loading the money 

- Hold Pickett for now, Freo have other priorities and there’s not a compelling market for him just now.

Now here’s a list of reasons to we wont do it:

1. It’s an even comp and if we can find some best 22 mature players we can stay competitive and hope we smash the draft.

2. It would be incredibly hard on Gawn and other leftover senior players 

3. it would condemn the Pres, the coach, the admin. No matter how well you’d sold it if we suddenly won 5 games next a lot of heads would roll. It would also put us in a terrible financial position. 

[Dockett 32 1,239]

15 minutes ago, Mickey said:

We could also end up like GC...

Don’t think so. We still have May Lever, Viney, Gawn , Salem, Petty, Langdon, McVee, Rivers, Bowey,McDonald and others to bring 10 draft picks along for the ride.  
Wouldn’t take too long to get them up to speed.

[SPC 3,571]

My concern is if we hold people to contracts and then when it’s time to trade them we end up in Tassie compromised shallow drafts. Rather trade when value is high.

[chookrat 4,268]

40 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

The problem I see is that to pay 95% of the cap we would need to renegotiate contracts that existing players have not earned which would inevitably lead to underperformance. It's a bit like paying an artist a reasonable wage only to find that the material possessions make them less creative than when they had nothing. Therefore a no for me.

[adonski 12,903]

25 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Richmond look like they'll have a bunch of first round picks to play with.  I wonder if we could get three out of them?  

No ones willingly going to Richmond at the moment unfortunately. They're even less desirable than us :(

[ANG13 2,086]

26 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Richmond look like they'll have a bunch of first round picks to play with.  I wonder if we could get three out of them?  

I highly doubt that. 

[adonski 12,903]

Just now, chookrat said:

The problem I see is that to pay 95% of the cap we would need to renegotiate contracts that existing players have not earned which would inevitably lead to underperformance. It's a bit like paying an artist a reasonable wage only to find that the material possessions make them less creative than when they had nothing. Therefore a no for me.

Could take on bad contracts if the sending team throws in a pick with the player

[Dockett 32 1,239]

16 minutes ago, SPC said:

My concern is if we hold people to contracts and then when it’s time to trade them we end up in Tassie compromised shallow drafts. Rather trade when value is high.

Fair point.

Either way, across  the AFL spectrum , contractual integrity is a joke and it’s high time the AFL fixed it.

[adonski 12,903]

1 minute ago, Dockett 32 said:

Fair point.

Either way, across  the AFL spectrum , contractual integrity is a joke and it’s high time the AFL fixed it.

Too much player power, order will be restored when teams can trade players, in contract, without their consent i.e NBA style

Unfortunately that's many years off (if ever)

[Roost it far 9,486]

49 minutes ago, Demonland said:

You need a good lie down this weekend

[DubDee 26,299]

In a firesale you generally get a lot less than market value

[chookrat 4,268]

Would there be any rules against trading out Maxy and then voting him in as our President while he plays for another club? Does anyone know whether player contracts restrict players from holding other roles in the AFL. Given Danger is the player rep for the AFLPA could Maxy play for say Collingwood while being our president?

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Just now, chookrat said:

Would there be any rules against trading out Maxy and then voting him in as our President while he plays for another club? Does anyone know whether player contracts restrict players from holding other roles in the AFL. Given Danger is the player rep for the AFLPA could Maxy play for say Collingwood while being our president?

It seems anything is possible in the ‘lawless AFL’😀

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

No. 

1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

 

[mo64 5,881]

36 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

WWSPD?

What would Sam Presti do.

The OKC Thunder had a big tear down and banked a metric tonne of picks. The star player wanting out and then the team packing it in is pretty common in the NBA.

I doubt we’d do it, but I think this is how I’d do it:

- Tracc goes for picks or high quality under 23 players 
- Move on Fritsch
- See if we can sneak a decent pick upgrade from Steve May to a contender
- Viney to North

- Hold Oliver for now. With no rush to win the plan would be to maximise his value and possibly restructure his contract by front loading the money 

- Hold Pickett for now, Freo have other priorities and there’s not a compelling market for him just now.

Now here’s a list of reasons to we wont do it:

1. It’s an even comp and if we can find some best 22 mature players we can stay competitive and hope we smash the draft.

2. It would be incredibly hard on Gawn and other leftover senior players 

3. it would condemn the Pres, the coach, the admin. No matter how well you’d sold it if we suddenly won 5 games next a lot of heads would roll. It would also put us in a terrible financial position. 

Presti was fortunate to get SGA as part of the Paul George trade. OKC wouldn't be a playoff team without him. None of your trade scenarios includes another team sending a gun young player our way.

Cameron Schwab had the same plan and look how that turned out.