39 minutes ago, adonski said:

Yes It's a balancing act.

Freo have 3 firsts this year and one next year to trade.

Will we get 2 first rounders for Pickett in a year, if he still goes? As good as he is, most clubs probably arent spending that on a small fwd.

Freo however with their draft hand can throw caution to the wind

There are first rounders and first rounders. He is worth about 2,400 index points and even then I think we are getting the rough end of the pineapple. If WCE offer pick 3, it is in the realm of fair, but I still would not like the trade.

1 minute ago, Fat Tony said:

There are first rounders and first rounders. He is worth about 2,400 index points and even then I think we are getting the rough end of the pineapple. If WCE offer pick 3, it is in the realm of fair, but I still would not like the trade.

Have you adjusted those index points for inflation?

41 minutes ago, adonski said:

Yes It's a balancing act.

Freo have 3 firsts this year and one next year to trade.

Will we get 2 first rounders for Pickett in a year, if he still goes? As good as he is, most clubs probably arent spending that on a small fwd.

Freo however with their draft hand can throw caution to the wind

I guess it all depends if Trac leaves or not. I want us to go to the draft this year but not with 5/6 first rounders. 
If we can’t get a quality player coming back the other way then Kossie might have to see out his contract. 

I’m normally quite conservative with player valuations in terms of draft picks. But not with Kossie, he’s box office, puts bums on seats, great player just hitting his prime. Was pick 12. Is worth more than a top 5 pick alone. 
Trading him would feel a bit like selling our soul. 

Trade Kozzi for pick 3

23 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

This whole homesickness saga, not only for Kozzy, really is something I can't understand as a foreigner.

I have followed sports for many years and usually players chase money or glory. They never seem to care where they play. Most of the time they move overseas, for example from Buenos Aires to London.

For the sake of example, in European soccer, I have heard that Manchester is an ugly place to live (weather and city). However both ManU and ManC are some of the clubs that most players would love to play for. And they compete with other major European cities that could be more attractive to live (Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Milan, Munich, London).

 

I would imagine £3-400k per week has something to do with it and Manchester like Newcastle and Liverpool are not as bad to live in when you have money and aren’t living in council estates

Can we change the thread title to 'Kozzie misses his family amd would love to have them around more with the baby, but is also a serious professional who understands the reality of AFL careers and is fully committed to the Melbourne Football Club which has been great at including family in the club environment'?

Also, I really think we should revisit my case for the club to acquire a small private plane to do round trips collecting the Petty, Tholstrup and Pickett families from their far-flung outposts!

3 Mil to buy, 700k annual operation cost if busy, call it 1mil per annum operations and finance.

It'll save that much in salary cap by the time you add up the different delighted players.

Plus, epic branding. Imagine the extras we could add for NT trips or special superfan rewards flying down to Tassie games.

Handy corporate 'offering', too. Flying with the board to an interstate game.

Lol, too much?

i love that he's going from being a dees player to a pear player to a flagmantle player to a meth coke player...while still being a dees player

i still think that, ultimately, if he doesn't want to be with us then he doesn't want to be with us

at some point he's clearly going to leave

it's all very upsetting

FWIW, this has been a regular occurrence with Kozzie and has often reared it's head. I would think at some stage he'll end up playing his career out elsewhere, but it's not the first time that he's raised this with the club and there are no indications he'll be playing elsewhere next year from the perspective of the club. 

50 minutes ago, Colm said:

I guess it all depends if Trac leaves or not. I want us to go to the draft this year but not with 5/6 first rounders. 
If we can’t get a quality player coming back the other way then Kossie might have to see out his contract. 

Wish he would!  2027 seems a stretch.

If he doesn't get to WA this year he will probably try again next year when the WA clubs will be better prepared for a trade.

My fear is other WA players will follow.  Except for my special boy McVee most of them have extended their contracts.  But as we know contracts don't mean much.

McVee will be upgraded from Rookie to Seniors later this year but at this stage is contracted only for 2025.  I'm hoping when he is upgraded his contract will be extended.  If it isn't I will get very nervous.😓

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he is homesick for WA or SA depending on which journalist opinion you choose.

1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Wish he would!  2027 seems a stretch.

If he doesn't get to WA this year he will probably try again next year when the WA clubs will be better prepared for a trade.

My fear is our other WA players will follow.  Except for my special boy McVee most of them have extended their contracts.  But as we know contracts don't mean much.

McVee will be upgraded from Rookie to Seniors later this year but at this stage is contracted only for 2025.  I'm hoping when he is upgraded his contract will be extended.  If it isn't I will get very nervous.😓

 

Right now, any player that doesnt feel under siege is kidding themselves. For those that want to bugger off for whatever reason, can, in my view, bugger off. 

They are not the players you want to stick around. Trac & Kozzy as good as they are on the field, if they are not completely invested in the club's success, should be traded.

And for crying out loud, lets do some character analysis in recruitment. We can still recruit interstate players, Riv, JVR good examples of those that relish playing football. 

What buggers me is that its for 10 years of your life, 15 if you are lucky. Go home after that. 

The 'homesickness' maybe there for Kozzy, but it is no doubt bought to the forefront with all that has been happening at the club and it broad lack of leaders. Gawny cannot be fighting on all fronts. 

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Can we change the thread title to 'Kozzie misses his family amd would love to have them around more with the baby, but is also a serious professional who understands the reality of AFL careers and is fully committed to the Melbourne Football Club which has been great at including family in the club environment'?

Also, I really think we should revisit my case for the club to acquire a small private plane to do round trips collecting the Petty, Tholstrup and Pickett families from their far-flung outposts!

3 Mil to buy, 700k annual operation cost if busy, call it 1mil per annum operations and finance.

It'll save that much in salary cap by the time you add up the different delighted players.

Plus, epic branding. Imagine the extras we could add for NT trips or special superfan rewards flying down to Tassie games.

Handy corporate 'offering', too. Flying with the board to an interstate game.

Lol, too much?

I can see Our Dear President alighting it every week, waving away at the assembled proles

 

too much?

does anyone know where kozzy is at the moment?  melbourne or wa?

Freo bottom feeders, stealing more Dees players and destroying us on the park!! 

20 hours ago, Chook in Perth said:

What if he couldn't overcome the lack of family support with a baby. 

I think we might have to apply the ANB rule here, as much as it hurts.

The moment it was announced about ANB situation few weeks back my immediate concern was kozzie being in the same position with the lack of family support.

Seems its coming to fruition now..

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The moment it was announced about ANB situation few weeks back my immediate concern was kozzie being in the same position with the lack of family support.

Seems its coming to fruition now..

you don't consider his wife's sister as family support?

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

you don't consider his wife's sister as family support?

So one family member? 

Well that solves that problem then..

So What happens when sister isn't available for support when needed due to work duties etc.. not taking into account they have no aunties, uncles, grandparents to provide extra support when needed for Koz and Ardo who need all the support needed for the first 12 months and beyond when you become a new parent especially at the age of 22.

Just take that into consideration.

It's a recurring theme with Kossie so only a matter of time before he leaves.

With Bolton joining, I think Freo won't need him.

I reckon we should try to deal with Eagles next year. Bring Reid back to Victoria as part of the deal. 

20 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

you don't consider his wife's sister as family support?

Second time you’ve said something similar, one family member is more than nothing but depending on her own life and commitments, it may amount to very little help/support

In the context family support to help with a bub we're talking about mothers, aunts and sisters. Male relatives are useless

18 minutes ago, BDA said:

It's a recurring theme with Kossie so only a matter of time before he leaves.

With Bolton joining, I think Freo won't need him.

I reckon we should try to deal with Eagles next year. Bring Reid back to Victoria as part of the deal. 

Doesn't Reid have to remain at the Eagles for a minimum of 3 years?  I've read that the first 20 picks in the draft have to serve a mandatory 3 years now (change happened May 2024?) 

As for Kozzie, is this going to be a yearly occurrence?  With JT's Midas touch at drafting, getting 2 decent picks for Kozzie may not leave us short and we might in fact, win on that sort of deal

But he is such a talent and has the capabilities to be a top 10 player in the league.  On potential alone, the 2 picks would have to be top 10 picks

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Doesn't Reid have to remain at the Eagles for a minimum of 3 years?  I've read that the first 20 picks in the draft have to serve a mandatory 3 years now (change happened May 2024?) 

As for Kozzie, is this going to be a yearly occurrence?  With JT's Midas touch at drafting, getting 2 decent picks for Kozzie may not leave us short and we might in fact, win on that sort of deal

But he is such a talent and has the capabilities to be a top 10 player in the league.  On potential alone, the 2 picks would have to be top 10 picks

my preference is for kossie to be settled and happy and finish his career with us.

it doesn;t look like that will happen though so maximising the value we get in a trade has to be the priority

perhaps try to keep him  for 2 years and then involve Reid?

9 minutes ago, BDA said:

my preference is for kossie to be settled and happy and finish his career with us.

it doesn;t look like that will happen though so maximising the value we get in a trade has to be the priority

perhaps try to keep him  for 2 years and then involve Reid?

Sooner or later, it seems a move will happen as the talk of him moving has happened every year has it not? 

He's just turned 23 and is entering his prime years so on potential and from what we've already seen, his trade value would be very high.  As someone else said, he's also box office so I'd want say, picks 8 & 10 (or 6 & 12 or thereabouts)

Reid could be anything and by the time 2027 comes around, he might be one of the best players in the comp

I can imagine the Eagles throwing the big bucks at him to extend sooner rather than later